I wouldn't call Jeff George a bust either. But he never fit in Atlanta (though June Jones later said their spat was way overblown), and he never rose to the level of his talent. The Raiders went through way too much turmoil when he was there and he kept changing plays. And he seemed to fall off after that. A disappointing career, but definitely not a bust.
Billick said Ryan Tannehill is irrationally moving up the draft. Didn't play in many college games, didn't play great in big college games. Didn't throw at the Combine. But he looks good in shorts, and teams are desperate, so they are falling in love with him. Thus I wouldn't call Billick an idiot. But if Tannehill proves to be a star, I'll rescind this comment.
Foxxy listed them, but it goes deeper than that. I'm not saying Akili Smith would have won a few Superbowls if NE, Pitt or NYG would have drafted him, no. But I wouldn't say he killed a Cincinnati team that would have gone deep into the playoffs with someone else. I think the fact is there are dozens of average QB's drafted every year that teams hope will turn them into the next big winner. But it's rare that a QB comes along like Brady. Sure, if he were on Buffalo they'd probably finish 8-8, maybe 9-7, instead of 6-10. But you could take about 20 QB's in the NFL and trade them, and the result wouldn't be a big shift in games won/lost. We've seen this over and over through the years. Schaub, Kolb, Cassel, Brees, Cutler, Orton, etc. They're about as good on their new team as their old one, and the team as a whole improves or doesn't more often than the QB who brings change. Even the curve at the top where Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning are isn't that higher than where Stafford, Ryan, Rivers, etc. sit. There's a small difference, and success is so dictated by the team as a whole.
This is why I say both the Colts and Skins will be better in the next couple years, because they will improve some and be better as a team. And they'll have a talented young QB at the same time.
The Broncos will be pretty good this year. But they were good last year too. Manning is better than Tebow, and I won't be surprised if the Broncos make the playoffs. But I'll be really surprised if they walk away with the Lombardi trophy. They're also going to have stiff competition in the AFC West from a stacked KC team, if the Chiefs can get their act together.
If Matt Flynn does well in Seattle it will be because the OL will protect him and gels (and if Carpenter gets healthy) and the team as a whole continues to improve. He does look like he has a good arm with accuracy. But no one honestly expects him to play every game like his win last year against Detroit. He's a lot better than a blind draft pick, and most likely Tjax. But Seattle still needs to improve as a team.
Billick said Ryan Tannehill is irrationally moving up the draft. Didn't play in many college games, didn't play great in big college games. Didn't throw at the Combine. But he looks good in shorts, and teams are desperate, so they are falling in love with him. Thus I wouldn't call Billick an idiot. But if Tannehill proves to be a star, I'll rescind this comment.
SirLes said:Ok. So a Franchise can kill a QB career. Is it not also true that a QB can kill a Franchise's chance of success for years as well. Even of the rest of team is at a high level?
Foxxy listed them, but it goes deeper than that. I'm not saying Akili Smith would have won a few Superbowls if NE, Pitt or NYG would have drafted him, no. But I wouldn't say he killed a Cincinnati team that would have gone deep into the playoffs with someone else. I think the fact is there are dozens of average QB's drafted every year that teams hope will turn them into the next big winner. But it's rare that a QB comes along like Brady. Sure, if he were on Buffalo they'd probably finish 8-8, maybe 9-7, instead of 6-10. But you could take about 20 QB's in the NFL and trade them, and the result wouldn't be a big shift in games won/lost. We've seen this over and over through the years. Schaub, Kolb, Cassel, Brees, Cutler, Orton, etc. They're about as good on their new team as their old one, and the team as a whole improves or doesn't more often than the QB who brings change. Even the curve at the top where Brady, Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning are isn't that higher than where Stafford, Ryan, Rivers, etc. sit. There's a small difference, and success is so dictated by the team as a whole.
This is why I say both the Colts and Skins will be better in the next couple years, because they will improve some and be better as a team. And they'll have a talented young QB at the same time.
The Broncos will be pretty good this year. But they were good last year too. Manning is better than Tebow, and I won't be surprised if the Broncos make the playoffs. But I'll be really surprised if they walk away with the Lombardi trophy. They're also going to have stiff competition in the AFC West from a stacked KC team, if the Chiefs can get their act together.
If Matt Flynn does well in Seattle it will be because the OL will protect him and gels (and if Carpenter gets healthy) and the team as a whole continues to improve. He does look like he has a good arm with accuracy. But no one honestly expects him to play every game like his win last year against Detroit. He's a lot better than a blind draft pick, and most likely Tjax. But Seattle still needs to improve as a team.