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Jets were 7-10 with Saleh, and Zach Wilson at QB. Let that sink in.
The Vikings are in an interesting position. They won't want to overpay Darnold as they have another supposedly good QB who won't cost them much at the moment.
That's why I think they might franchise tag him. Hold both him and JJ McCarthy for one more season. If Sam plays lights out like they are now, then they extend Darnold and trade JJ. If not, they start playing JJ at some point next season, and let Darnold walk. The franchise tag buys the Vikings one year to sort things out, figure out which guy, is the guy.

But as good as Sam is playing let's not forget he's throwing to the best WR in the league in Jefferson, has other good receivers, a good OL, a balanced team, and a very solid defense that never leaves him in a terrible hole. Yes, he's making many excellent throws. But you send him to Tennessee (Cleveland, Raiders, Giants) it would be a mistake to expect him to turn that team around. This isn't the 1993 KC Chiefs that were decent, then got Joe Montana who took them to the AFC Championship.

But JJ is a rookie, an unknown to some degree. He did lead a powerhouse of a team to a college national championship. And Harbaugh spoke very highly of him. But are the Vikings ready to hand him the keys to a team that's doing really well without him?
 
But as good as Sam is playing let's not forget he's throwing to the best WR in the league in Jefferson, has other good receivers, a good OL, a balanced team, and a very solid defense that never leaves him in a terrible hole. Yes, he's making many excellent throws.
add to that the coaching staff, etc., and Sam would be crazy to go elsewhere. There will be a line for him between team and money. ie: $40 MIL to stay in MIN, $50 MIL to go to NYG. What does he do? Stay IMO.
 
Keep in mind, O'Connell said at the start of the season (when JJ was healthy) there was no possible chance he was starting, period. He was adamant about it. Then again, if they believe in Darnold, and someone offered a king's ransom for JJ, I'd consider dealing him too.

I find it interesting that Tennessee is giving up on Levis so soon, when their entire team is a total mess. Levis has been hot/cold, some impressive throws, some very bad ones. The Bengals game was awful. But Mason Rudolph hasn't played much better, and a big step down from his time in Pittsburgh last season. If the Titans think JJ is going to show up, put on a pale blue jersey, and magically do way better than these two guys, they're dreaming. Regardless of where he was drafted.
Right before preseason camp, O'Connell made the proverbial statement that McCarthy would start when it's in the "best interest of not only McCarthy but the entire team." You know that's coach's "code" for if the veteran/incumbent starter isn't playing well & the team is struggling, insert rookie QB. Lol (exactly what happened in Atlanta with MPJ). Of course, all that was irrelevant since McCarthy was done for the year with the knee injury. I think if the Vikings go beyond a one & done in the playoffs, it's going hard not to sign Darnold as your franchise guy for the long-term.


The situation with Levis is strange with ownership giving up on him so soon. He showed all the skills you could ask for at his pro day: Big & strong built like a LB, big-time cannon of an arm with insane velocity, good speed & athleticism (hence, the "Favre" comparisons). However, he didn't have the big numbers at Kentucky like Stroud & Young had at OSU & Bama. But he was playing with a 2nd tier O-line in the competitive SEC.

In 20 starts, he's only 5-15 (2-9 this season) with not so good stats particularly the 20-16 TD/INT ratio (I think he's had something like 6 pick-6s!). Worst of all, the team sits in the bottom of the division at 3-13 tied for worst record. Last year they were also last in the decision at 6-11. He must be driving the QB coach crazy over there.

Levis reminds me of the situation with Drew lock at Denver. Big, strong, athletic QB with an elite arm who had monstrous stats at Missouri who Elway said reminded him of himself. In 21 starts Lock was 8-13 with very poor passing stats & shown the door after 2 yrs. Bottom line: Not winning & not throwing the ball well is a death sentence for a QB in this league.

 
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But JJ is a rookie, an unknown to some degree. He did lead a powerhouse of a team to a college national championship. And Harbaugh spoke very highly of him. But are the Vikings ready to hand him the keys to a team that's doing really well without him?
The Vikings must have thought so at draft time - they traded up to get him drafting him ahead of Nix. Solid college career: Greise-Brees Big 10 QB of the year award, Rose Bowl MVP, National championship season.
 
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Levis reminds me of the situation with Drew lock at Denver. Big, strong, athletic QB with an elite arm who had monstrous stats at Missouri who Elway said reminded him of himself.
I thought that was Paxton Lynch he said that about? Maybe he said it about both guys?! I agree right now that certainly looks like where Levis career is headed. The next Drew Lock. Or worse, the next Tim Boyle (who went to the same prep school as Levis!). But I wonder this: Now that we've seen what Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, and now Sam Darnold can do on a good team, after learning the hard way on bad teams, who's to say Will Levis can't go somewhere like the Rams, Chargers, Cowboys, Broncos, etc. sit and work the bad decisions out in a good system, then get another chance with a decent team?

This is why I say the "bust" that is Zach Wilson, is now actually an unknown. He really is. There is no question he has arm talent. He also put up with a horrible situation on the Jets, toughed it out for the most part (benched himself once, but so did Rodgers). Now, sitting deep on the bench in Denver, learning Payton's system, learning alongside Nix. Someone is going to take a chance on him at some point. Maybe he'll always make the bad throws he did for the Jets. But maybe, like Darnold, the talent he's always had will surface. He's still just 25 years old.

Or both guys could be the next Lock, or Mitch Trubisky or Carson Wentz for that matter. A career back-up.

Tre Lance on the other hand I don't see it happening. The flashes of talent we've seen from Wilson, and Levis, are too few and far between with Lance.
 
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I thought that was Paxton Lynch he said that about? Maybe he said it about both guys?! I agree right now that certainly looks like where Levis career is headed. The next Drew Lock. Or worse, the next Tim Boyle (who went to the same prep school as Levis!). But I wonder this: Now that we've seen what Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, and now Sam Darnold can do on a good team, after learning the hard way on bad teams, who's to say Will Levis can't go somewhere like the Rams, Chargers, Cowboys, Broncos, etc. sit and work the bad decisions out in a good system, then get another chance with a decent team?

This is why I say the "bust" that is Zach Wilson, is now actually an unknown. He really is. There is no question he has arm talent. He also put up with a horrible situation on the Jets, toughed it out for the most part (benched himself once, but so did Rodgers). Now, sitting deep on the bench in Denver, learning Payton's system, learning alongside Nix. Someone is going to take a chance on him at some point. Maybe he'll always make the bad throws he did for the Jets. But maybe, like Darnold, the talent he's always had will surface. He's still just 25 years old.

Or both guys could be the next Lock, or Mitch Trubisky or Carson Wentz for that matter. A career back-up.

Tre Lance on the other hand I don't see it happening. The flashes of talent we've seen from Wilson, and Levis, are too few and far between with Lance.
Carson Wentz still on the Chiefs roster, Jimmy G on the Rams roster. Flacco with the Colts, Dalton with the Panthers, Winston with the Browns etc etc.........still room for experienced back ups but Wilson etc are yet to prove themselves. Some people thought the 49ers would have picked up Jones as they were interested in him before the draft or Wilson but the opted for Dobbs instead who has been on many different teams. Really Lance should have a season in the USFL, at least he will get regular playing time but Paxton Lynch couldn't even manage that, neither could Manziel ,and Kaepernick somehow thought he was still wanted in the NFL although that ship has sailed as he hasn't played a snap since the 2016 season but he could get a job in the USFL if he really wanted it.

The Cowboys inexplicably used a 4th round pick on trading for Lance which the 49ers were quick to act upon and then they barely used him. He has no trade value so why is he still there if Rush is superior ? Lance could be the next Josh Rosen and out of the league or a team gets so decimated with the QB room, that he gets picked up as a last resort but if there are better options around like experienced proven QB's he's just going to keep lingering on rosters as a QB 3 and getting little playing time and having little chance to improve. He's still only played a handful of games. At this stage he's just a practice squad QB.
 
News leaking from the Jets camp that Rodgers and Adams are done and Ron Rivera will be their first coaching interview. Also that Hassan Reddick will be paid a 9.5 million bonus without having one full sack...........seems that Rex Ryan wants the job and John Gruden may be considered, He also may be considered for the Bears coaching position. Gruden still has a court case pending with the NFL.
 
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Barkley needs to play, period. That will be a huge accomplishment in his career and a great milestone. Especially when he has sat in the fourth when he could have gotten more yards. Reminds me of when Belichick sat Brady in the Titans game when Brady had 5 or 6 touchdowns in a quarter. He could have demolished the passing records that game.
 
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Barkley needs to play, period. That will be a huge accomplishment in his career and a great milestone. Especially when he has sat in the fourth when he could have gotten more yards. Reminds me of when Belichick sat Brady in the Titans game when Brady had 5 or 6 touchdowns in a quarter. He could have demolished the passing records that game.
I've thought about this a lot (now and before)...obviously I've never been and will never be in this situation, but IMO a Super Bowl is more important than an individual record. Also obviously, the chances are greater that he will break the record than PHI will win the SB.

*Also there will always be the asterisk of how many games it took to accumulate 2100 yards.
 
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OJ did it in just 14 games. But in a very different time. If I were Nick Siriani I'd play Barkley at least some, to keep the wheels greased, and if after 1Q he has some 50 yards, I'd keep playing him. Then again, if he suffers a serious injury...

Ron Rivera would be a near carbon replacement for Saleh. A punching bag for Woody and his kids. This is why I think Rex needs to get the job. He's the one who will not put up with the BS and speak back, New York style. I'd be shocked if both Rodgers and Adams are on the team next year. Rodgers needs to retire.

I question if Lance would even start for a UFL team. The UFL is more competitive than people may realize. There are quite a few UFL players from last year now on NFL teams. Brandon Aubrey and Davonte Turpin have done quite well, for example. Quarterbacks? Not many, but a few. But Lance may find himself going to a UFL team, and finding out he sits on a bench there too. The UFL is not AAA baseball where players come and go, get some playing in, before moving up to MLB (or moving down). The UFL is it's own league, and the play is quite good. No team would play Lance just to get him reps. He'd be competing with other guys who also bumped back and forth from NFL back-ups and practice squads. Matt Corrall, Luis Perez, AJ McCarron, Max Duggan, Chase Garbers, etc.

The ship has sailed for Kaepernick.

Fascinating how few games matter this coming weekend. In a league built for parity, this season has very little Several excellent teams, and several really bad ones. Few times in the middle.
 
I've thought about this a lot (now and before)...obviously I've never been and will never be in this situation, but IMO a Super Bowl is more important than an individual record. Also obviously, the chances are greater that he will break the record than PHI will win the SB.

*Also there will always be the asterisk of how many games it took to accumulate 2100 yards.
Don't be too sure you are not NFL material!! Did you see some of the kickers this last week.. I have my 3 legged dog out practicing!! Anything is possible..
Another post says Rex Ryan may get another job!! So anything is possible!! Don't know if Buddy Ryan is next to ice cream and Walt Disney and Elon has new chips that will wake them up.. I am surprised by nothing, absolutely nothing.
 
This is why I say the "bust" that is Zach Wilson, is now actually an unknown. He really is. There is no question he has arm talent. He also put up with a horrible situation on the Jets, toughed it out for the most part (benched himself once, but so did Rodgers). Now, sitting deep on the bench in Denver, learning Payton's system, learning alongside Nix. Someone is going to take a chance on him at some point. Maybe he'll always make the bad throws he did for the Jets. But maybe, like Darnold, the talent he's always had will surface. He's still just 25 years old.
Wilson should be playing somewhere. A man with this kind of a jig shouldn't be sitting the bench. Lol

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The Cowboys inexplicably used a 4th round pick on trading for Lance which the 49ers were quick to act upon and then they barely used him. He has no trade value so why is he still there if Rush is superior ? Lance could be the next Josh Rosen and out of the league or a team gets so decimated with the QB room, that he gets picked up as a last resort but if there are better options around like experienced proven QB's he's just going to keep lingering on rosters as a QB 3 and getting little playing time and having little chance to improve. He's still only played a handful of games. At this stage he's just a practice squad QB.
You don't think Lance could be the next Rodgers or Mahomes? Lol


In all seriousness, this has to be greatest blunder by Shanahan or he just didn't want to take the time to try & develop him. Shanahan must have saw something there so promising that SF would trade away 3 first round picks to move up to the #3 spot & get him! Sure, Lance has got the size, strength, agility & elite arm strength of a franchise QB, but he played only one full season at FCS NDSU. And with SF, he started only 4 total games in 2 yrs??? (the first season was off & on starts with Jimmy G & his 2nd year was wiped away with a season ending injury in week #2). Someone tell me how in the hell do you develope a promising high-drafted QB with only 4 starts?

And no one can work with him at Dallas? Crazy that in this league with supposedly so many great QB coaches, someone being compared to Rodgers & Mahomes can't be developed over time.
 
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OJ did it in just 14 games. But in a very different time.
Oh yeah, real different time. The league was not the high-octane air attack you have now. In fact, I remember that 73 season where "The Juice" got the 2000. It was 1st down - Simpson...2nd down - Simpson...3rd down - Simpson, etc. Simpson was averaging about 25 carries a game & that year Joe Ferguson threw for only 900 yards. The O-line did mostly run blocking - it was a one-man OJ show. Lol. Do you remember that iconic statement by Howard Cosell that he would recite about OJ during the MNF games; "Miami may have the oranges...but Buffalo has the Juice."

Interestingly, in 11 seasons with the Bills, the Juice only went to the playoffs one time - a loss at the hands of the Steelers in 74 where the Steel Curtain put the kibosh on him.
 
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I miss Howard Cosell, most of the time. "Down goes Frazier..." "I'm telling it like it is." "Ladies and Gentlemen, The Bronx is burning". (Though, he never said this on the air, he may as well have). He also defined, and accurately predicted modern "jockocracy". I remember one of his books and found it insightful. He thought highly of himself, but also was dedicated to his craft and told the truth as he saw it.

Major boondoggle by Lynch and Shanahan trading the farm away to get Tre Lance. Anyone can look up all the players they could have got instead. But Shanahan believed with Lance raw talent, and his offensive genius, he could turn Lance into a superstar. When that failed, and Purdy fell in their lap, Shanahan was happy to share credit with Purdy for his success, and let the world forget about the trade for Lance.

Now it seems Lance wasn't even worth the 4th round pick the Cowboys gave SF either. My guess is they tried to work with him, constantly. There's a reason they haven't played him and are going with Rush doing damage control. All one has to do is look at the highlights from this past pre-season, and training camp, to see just how inaccurate Lance is, and how bad his decision making is. That game tossing 5 interceptions against Chargers 3rd and 4th string players was something. He also fumbled a couple times in that game. He looked slightly better against Raiders back-ups in pre-season, which isn't saying much. I'm certain the Cowboys won't extend him, but some team will pick him up. Some other arrogant coach/GM/owner will believe they alone can fix him, and sign him. But I'll be surprised if we see much improvement over what we saw this pre-season.
 
OJ did it in just 14 games. But in a very different time. If I were Nick Siriani I'd play Barkley at least some, to keep the wheels greased, and if after 1Q he has some 50 yards, I'd keep playing him. Then again, if he suffers a serious injury...

Ron Rivera would be a near carbon replacement for Saleh. A punching bag for Woody and his kids. This is why I think Rex needs to get the job. He's the one who will not put up with the BS and speak back, New York style. I'd be shocked if both Rodgers and Adams are on the team next year. Rodgers needs to retire.

I question if Lance would even start for a UFL team. The UFL is more competitive than people may realize. There are quite a few UFL players from last year now on NFL teams. Brandon Aubrey and Davonte Turpin have done quite well, for example. Quarterbacks? Not many, but a few. But Lance may find himself going to a UFL team, and finding out he sits on a bench there too. The UFL is not AAA baseball where players come and go, get some playing in, before moving up to MLB (or moving down). The UFL is it's own league, and the play is quite good. No team would play Lance just to get him reps. He'd be competing with other guys who also bumped back and forth from NFL back-ups and practice squads. Matt Corrall, Luis Perez, AJ McCarron, Max Duggan, Chase Garbers, etc.

The ship has sailed for Kaepernick.

Fascinating how few games matter this coming weekend. In a league built for parity, this season has very little Several excellent teams, and several really bad ones. Few times in the middle.
Parity means all teams have 8-11 wins...the NFL doesn't want that.
 
I've thought about this a lot (now and before)...obviously I've never been and will never be in this situation, but IMO a Super Bowl is more important than an individual record. Also obviously, the chances are greater that he will break the record than PHI will win the SB.

*Also there will always be the asterisk of how many games it took to accumulate 2100 yards.
Both would be great feats. It’s no guarantee you’ll get a Super Bowl but at this point you’re right there for the record. It’s a record that’s been there for 40 years and it’s not a rush first league anymore. Then it’d be against the team you left that said you’re not good enough to keep. I’d play and see how the game is going. If by en for first quarter or half time I’m at like 0-50 yards after 10-20 carries I’d pack it in. That way there’s little doubt in my mind, I tried and it wasn’t happening. Versus I don’t try and we don’t get the Super Bowl and having to look back at both misses.

Barkley has less rushing attempts than Dickerson while also sitting in the fourth on multiple games while Dickerson played majority. That isn’t even talking about Hurts taking rushes away from Barkley due to his dual threat ability. Also, like Alpe said OJ had the record with 14 games. What about when the NFL was 12 games? Or now it’s easier to break passing records with the rule changes and more games? Or is Megatron’s record diminished due to the offense making that its main goal?

Of course the risk is he gets injured and the team is screwed but he could also get injured in the playoffs.
 
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When it was 12 games, Jim Brown ran for 1,527. Fairly impressive, but again, it was a different game. Like OJ's Bills, Jim Brown's Browns were built for him to run the ball, a lot. But both also had something like over 6 yards per carry, which is very impressive no matter what the era was.

Before Megatron set the record, I remember the year Jerry Rice caught over 1,800 yards. That same year Isaac Bruce and Herman Moore also put up huge yardage. It was like an anomaly at the time. Previously, two really old players from aeons ago were the only two over something like 1,500. Rice's record was viewed as being either the start of a new era and he (and others) would break 2,000, or it was a once in a lifetime thing, an unbreakable record. Turned out neither were true.

Rice career yards however is an insane number. 22,895. The current top players still active are all near the end of their career, and around half that number. This one may turn out to be like Cy Young's wins in baseball.
 

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