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[SHAD0W93]

Will TB12 continue in Tampa Bay or start a new chapter with a different number, maybe 10 again if he can get it?

Winston to NE would be interesting if he can handle BB and if McDaniels can plan the offense around his strengths. a
His vision should be a lot better for his decision making. I would still take Tampa Bay having a better season than Patriots for awhile though.

 

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Will TB12 continue in Tampa Bay or start a new chapter with a different number, maybe 10 again if he can get it?

Winston to NE would be interesting if he can handle BB and if McDaniels can plan the offense around his strengths. a
His vision should be a lot better for his decision making. I would still take Tampa Bay having a better season than Patriots for awhile though.

Godwin said that he'd be happy to give 12 to TB12. I did see $$ in his eyes as he said it though!

TB12 has a lot of marketing stuff so changing might be tough...or profitable because everyone would have to buy new stuff! TB99!

 

[Eyeballs Out]

The Patriots got Hoyer back in. He looks a natural experienced #2 QB. That means Jarrett Stidham is either getting promoted to #1 or demoted to #3 - probably the former

 

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The Patriots got Hoyer back in. He looks a natural experienced #2 QB. That means Jarrett Stidham is either getting promoted to #1 or demoted to #3 - probably the former

Hoyer's a decent back up. Very experienced. Sort of move you would expect from the Patriots.

 

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OK, first: Seahawks fan hat on, Dorsett COULD be a good pickup. RW seems to gel with people better than some other QBs, but getting on the same page with him will be the deciding factor.

Cam is free! He's a bit screwed because he can't show teams that he's ready to play (or at least well on the way). I know that he can't meet in person with teams, but this is 2020, isn't there video tech that he/NFL could utilize to show a workout for all to see?! He has been pretty injury prone for the last few years too so maybe teams are worried that trend will continue. Is DEN a good landing spot?

 

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OK, first: Seahawks fan hat on, Dorsett COULD be a good pickup. RW seems to gel with people better than some other QBs, but getting on the same page with him will be the deciding factor.

Cam is free! He's a bit screwed because he can't show teams that he's ready to play (or at least well on the way). I know that he can't meet in person with teams, but this is 2020, isn't there video tech that he/NFL could utilize to show a workout for all to see?! He has been pretty injury prone for the last few years too so maybe teams are worried that trend will continue. Is DEN a good landing spot?

Don't know about Cam. Been out for a long time and I am not sure that teams will take a risk with him although RG3 found his way back as did Bridgewater. Alex Smith should probably hang the boots up. Denver maybe but Flacco is probably better at this stage.

Sounds like the Rams really wanted to get rid of Gurley. It cost them a cap hit of about 20 million. Colin Cowherd was informed by sources that Gurley was toxic in the locker room after a falling out with McVay. The problems started after his last injury according to Cowherd.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Here's a good tracker sheet to the trades and singings happening in the NFL.

The biggest shocker is the Texans getting rid of DeAndre Hopkins, arguably the best WR in the league, and shipping him to Arizona (where he will likely shine with a younger version of Watson in Murray will throw to him), for pennies on the dollar in David Johnson (end of career) and Arizona's 2020 second-round pick and 2021 fourth-rounder.

I like what Buffalo did in going out and getting Shannon Diggs. Now, they did give up their 1st round pick (and 3 for 1 on lower picks) for him, but this gives Josh Allen Colt Beasly, Josh Brown and now Diggs to throw to. If Allen can play at the level he did in the 2nd half of last season, and improve in clutch time, the Bills offense may finally be very good again. Their defense is already good, and they just added Mario Addison, Quinton Jefferson, Vernon Butler, and Josh Norman in FA as well. Four solid vets who can definitely make a difference on that team. With Brady finally gone from NE, the Bills have to be favorites for that division, and could make a serious playoff run.

Cleveland adding Jack Conklin was interesting in that he's one of the best run blocking right side tackles in the league. If the Browns take a left tackle in the draft at #10, it wouldn't shock me at all if they take the ball somewhat out of Mayfield's hands and run Chubb a lot more. Wait, that's right, they have Kareem Hunt as well, who they only used sparingly once he came off suspension. Freddie Kitchens too often expected Mayfield to save drives and games, and I'm guessing since he couldn't do it (with any consistency), Kevin Stefanski won't push him to. The team also paid Case Keenum $10m to be a backup, which makes me also think Stefanski doesn't have full faith in Mayfield.

 

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Don't know about Cam. Been out for a long time and I am not sure that teams will take a risk with him although RG3 found his way back as did Bridgewater. Alex Smith should probably hang the boots up. Denver maybe but Flacco is probably better at this stage.

Sounds like the Rams really wanted to get rid of Gurley. It cost them a cap hit of about 20 million. Colin Cowherd was informed by sources that Gurley was toxic in the locker room after a falling out with McVay. The problems started after his last injury according to Cowherd.

I think DEN already split with Flacco, but I'll have to double check...

EDIT: yes, they waved him on the failed physical designation.

 

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OK, first: Seahawks fan hat on, Dorsett COULD be a good pickup. RW seems to gel with people better than some other QBs, but getting on the same page with him will be the deciding factor.

Cam is free! He's a bit screwed because he can't show teams that he's ready to play (or at least well on the way). I know that he can't meet in person with teams, but this is 2020, isn't there video tech that he/NFL could utilize to show a workout for all to see?! He has been pretty injury prone for the last few years too so maybe teams are worried that trend will continue. Is DEN a good landing spot?

Ya I agree on Dorsett. He's short (5'9") but a 4.33 speed guy who can help stretch the field and open the middle for the TE's (Dissly, Olsen, & ?). And speaking of "factor", Dorsett is a vet. So another factor is that with the uncertainty about the possible virus-impacted off-season schedule, drafted rookies may not get up to speed much before the regular season. Even though this draft is deep at the WR position, getting a vet who already understands a lot of things better than a rookie might work out better.

Another SEA pickup I'm glad to see is getting long 6'2" athletic CB Quinton Dunbar from the Skins for a 5th round pick. He is one of the better corners in the league, when healthy. He may not have played an entire NFL season, ever, due to injury. But if he stays healthy that trade is a steal. And because of health record, I don't think this signing by SEA spells doom for CB Tre Flowers, yet. I had actually hoped SEA would get CB Darius Slay from Detroit, but he ended up in Philly.

What that Dunbar trade meant for the Skins, they must have grown tired of Dunbar's demanding, malcontent attitudes. But on the other hand, he was having to deal with Snyder more so than new man on board, Rivera. And at least the Skins made use of the 5th pick acquired from SEA by trading it to Carolina for QB Kyle Allen. So in the end, that could be a steal for them.

Still not sure what to think of OL signed by SEA (G/C Finney fr Pitt, OT Shell fr NYJ, G Warmack fr Phil, & OT Ogbuehi fr Cincy). I think Warmack's a depth guy.

 

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I think DEN already split with Flacco, but I'll have to double check...

EDIT: yes, they waved him on the failed physical designation.

Missed the Flacco news. Denver have had a horrible run with under performing and injured QBs. I still think they would only take Cam if they were desperate. My guess is that they might try the draft because everything else has failed but there will be healthy competition for the top two or 3 draft QBs and it doesn't seem to be a QB friendly draft. Maybe hire a journeyman in the interim similar to the Patriots hiring Hoyer. Not many good experienced QBs left on the market now.

 

[movingtarget]

Here's a good tracker sheet to the trades and singings happening in the NFL.

The biggest shocker is the Texans getting rid of DeAndre Hopkins, arguably the best WR in the league, and shipping him to Arizona (where he will likely shine with a younger version of Watson in Murray will throw to him), for pennies on the dollar in David Johnson (end of career) and Arizona's 2020 second-round pick and 2021 fourth-rounder.

I like what Buffalo did in going out and getting Shannon Diggs. Now, they did give up their 1st round pick (and 3 for 1 on lower picks) for him, but this gives Josh Allen Colt Beasly, Josh Brown and now Diggs to throw to. If Allen can play at the level he did in the 2nd half of last season, and improve in clutch time, the Bills offense may finally be very good again. Their defense is already good, and they just added Mario Addison, Quinton Jefferson, Vernon Butler, and Josh Norman in FA as well. Four solid vets who can definitely make a difference on that team. With Brady finally gone from NE, the Bills have to be favorites for that division, and could make a serious playoff run.

Cleveland adding Jack Conklin was interesting in that he's one of the best run blocking right side tackles in the league. If the Browns take a left tackle in the draft at #10, it wouldn't shock me at all if they take the ball somewhat out of Mayfield's hands and run Chubb a lot more. Wait, that's right, they have Kareem Hunt as well, who they only used sparingly once he came off suspension. Freddie Kitchens too often expected Mayfield to save drives and games, and I'm guessing since he couldn't do it (with any consistency), Kevin Stefanski won't push him to. The team also paid Case Keenum $10m to be a backup, which makes me also think Stefanski doesn't have full faith in Mayfield.

The Hopkins trade was so one sided that there had to be problems with him at the Texans. Most observers thought the Texans got fleeced so it sounds like it was a must trade. Johnson wasn't even the best RB at the Cardinals anymore. Buffalo has made some nice moves. Would not surprise me at all to see Keenum take Baker's job. If Hunt can get back to his Kansas level of play then the Browns look healthy at the RB position.

 

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Arians shoots down in no uncertain terms the notion that TB will try to sign Antonio Brown: "it's not a fit"

Beyond the off-field issues, TB already has an excellent quartet of WR and TE. So while AB would improve the offense, they don't have that much need for him, compared to other holes to fill.

On the subject of Brady, the story is that when the Pats traded Garappolo to the 49ers a few years ago, Beli actually wanted to trade Brady! Kraft overruled him. Imagine what the NFL landscape would look like now if that trade had gone through. Since then, the Pats made it to two SB and won one of. them. Would they have done as well with JG? How about the Niners with Brady?

49er fans should like this story, because it indicates that Beli saw JG as his QB of the future, at least as potentially that.

 

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Arians shoots down in no uncertain terms the notion that TB will try to sign Antonio Brown: "it's not a fit"

Beyond the off-field issues, TB already has an excellent quartet of WR and TE. So while AB would improve the offense, they don't have that much need for him, compared to other holes to fill.

On the subject of Brady, the story is that when the Pats traded Garappolo to the 49ers a few years ago, Beli actually wanted to trade Brady! Kraft overruled him. Imagine what the NFL landscape would look like now if that trade had gone through. Since then, the Pats made it to two SB and won one of. them. Would they have done as well with JG? How about the Niners with Brady?

49er fans should like this story, because it indicates that Beli saw JG as his QB of the future, at least as potentially that.

Yes this has been Max Kellerman's argument for a long time now about Brady's so called deterioration but he was also saying it when the Pateriots won another SB ! The jury seems to be out on Jimmy. The Niners probably have the best RB corp in the league and they dominated the Vikings and the Packers in the playoffs with a heavy run game. Many observers saw this as as a lack of trust in Jimmy instead of smart tactics by Shanahan. Then in the SB Jimmy was the better QB for three quarters but couldn't get it done in the final quarter. Some people blamed the refs, some blamed Shanahan and some blamed all three. The Niners couldn't move the ball in the final quarter and gave Mahomes too many opportunities and the Kansas speedsters made a tiring defense pay. Some of the talking heads buried Jimmy after the SB and put all of the blame on him which was grossly unfair. He was a top 10 QB for the season and top 5 in some categories plus he was returning from an ACL injury. I thought he had a good season even if there were too many intercepts. Without him they don't beat the Saints at NO or beat the Rams in their final meeting enabling to grab the top seed. Shanahan was quick to quash the Brady rumours and seems confident in Jimmy as their QB even if he might have been frustrated with the last quarter of the SB but that was on Shanahan as well. Even one or two of the Kansas defense said after the game they were relieved when the Niners stopped running the ball. At the end of the third quarter the 49ers seemed to have the game under control with a two score lead but then it all fell apart.

If Bill had been allowed to trade Brady instead of Jimmy would the Niners have made the trade ? At that point I'm sure they would have. They had Hoyer as QB, plenty of cap space, a losing season but they didn't have much to trade at that point except for picks which might have impacted on them picking up some of those quality defenders.

 

[SHAD0W93]

John Lynch has said when first contacting Belichick about Grappolo he was told no and when Lynch asked about Brady being traded Belichick laughed at him and asked if he was serious. I don't believe that rumor that Brady went to Kraft and it's annoying that Kellerman and Wright always bring this up without any proof of it but that is news.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Yes this has been Max Kellerman's argument for a long time now about Brady's so called deterioration but he was also saying it when the Pateriots won another SB ! The jury seems to be out on Jimmy. The Niners probably have the best RB corp in the league and they dominated the Vikings and the Packers in the playoffs with a heavy run game. Many observers saw this as as a lack of trust in Jimmy instead of smart tactics by Shanahan. Then in the SB Jimmy was the better QB for three quarters but couldn't get it done in the final quarter. Some people blamed the refs, some blamed Shanahan and some blamed all three. The Niners couldn't move the ball in the final quarter and gave Mahomes too many opportunities and the Kansas speedsters made a tiring defense pay. Some of the talking heads buried Jimmy after the SB and put all of the blame on him which was grossly unfair. He was a top 10 QB for the season and top 5 in some categories plus he was returning from an ACL injury. I thought he had a good season even if there were too many intercepts. Without him they don't beat the Saints at NO or beat the Rams in their final meeting enabling to grab the top seed. Shanahan was quick to quash the Brady rumours and seems confident in Jimmy as their QB even if he might have been frustrated with the last quarter of the SB but that was on Shanahan as well. Even one or two of the Kansas defense said after the game they were relieved when the Niners stopped running the ball. At the end of the third quarter the 49ers seemed to have the game under control with a two score lead but then it all fell apart.

If Bill had been allowed to trade Brady instead of Jimmy would the Niners have made the trade ? At that point I'm sure they would have. They had Hoyer as QB, plenty of cap space, a losing season but they didn't have much to trade at that point except for picks which might have impacted on them picking up some of those quality defenders.

The whole JG/Brady trade scenarios are fascinating to me, but I want to talk just about JG for a second. I too would say JG had a good season, but not great. He may have had too many INTs (27TD s v 13 INTs for the season, 2 TD v 3 INTs for the playoffs), but still he was respectable, especially in his first full season as starter and after the ACL injury. He should only get better, but only time will tell, which is why I bolded your statement that the "jury seems to be out on Jimmy".

But here's why I think JG was only good, not great, and the area where he needs to improve. I don't think he was a great decision maker with the ball under pressure, and if he can improve that part of his game, then he can become a much better QB. Last season, he was tied for 5th in TDs, tied for 8th in INTs, 12th in total passing yards (all good, not great), but had a remarkable passing completion rate of 69.1% with an OL that only ranked 14th overall in PFF. How? His average time to get rid of the ball was less than 2.5 seconds, even with Joe Staley's backup playing. Getting the ball out that fast makes it difficult for defenders to get any kind of pressure on him. That's probably smart coaching to give him plays with a high success rate of getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Bottom line, tape shows when JG is pressured he makes poor decisions. Shanahan and defensive coaches around the league have to know that. The jury's question is, will JG be able to make better decisions under pressure next season? Improved OL play can help, but better decision making by JG would help a lot too.

 

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The whole JG/Brady trade scenarios are fascinating to me, but I want to talk just about JG for a second. I too would say JG had a good season, but not great. He may have had too many INTs (27TD s v 13 INTs for the season, 2 TD v 3 INTs for the playoffs), but still he was respectable, especially in his first full season as starter and after the ACL injury. He should only get better, but only time will tell, which is why I bolded your statement that the "jury seems to be out on Jimmy".

But here's why I think JG was only good, not great, and the area where he needs to improve. I don't think he was a great decision maker with the ball under pressure, and if he can improve that part of his game, then he can become a much better QB. Last season, he was tied for 5th in TDs, tied for 8th in INTs, 12th in total passing yards (all good, not great), but had a remarkable passing completion rate of 69.1% with an OL that only ranked 14th overall in PFF. How? His average time to get rid of the ball was less than 2.5 seconds, even with Joe Staley's backup playing. Getting the ball out that fast makes it difficult for defenders to get any kind of pressure on him. That's probably smart coaching to give him plays with a high success rate of getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Bottom line, tape shows when JG is pressured he makes poor decisions. Shanahan and defensive coaches around the league have to know that. The jury's question is, will JG be able to make better decisions under pressure next season? Improved OL play can help, but better decision making by JG would help a lot too.

I think that is a fair summation. another frustrating thing is that he often doesn't trust his first read of the play and hesitates. A few times in the SB Kittle was clearly open and in enough space for Jimmy to find him but he didn't let the ball go. Kittle would throw his hands in the air after the play as if to say, what are you doing ? He was also trying to make throws too close to the defense and should have been backing off more. I lost count of the times he had the ball batted down by Kansas defenders which also goes with your points on the Niners O line. He never was a very mobile QB but the worrying things is he rarely throws the ball away and he isn't good at it. He often takes hits pointlessly where someone like Rodgers or Brady would get rid of the ball. He panicked at one point in the SB and threw the ball straight to a defender which was a horrible play when all he had to do was give the ball more air to get it over the sideline. He took a couple of heavy hits going to ground with the ball in the playoffs, once I thought he was hurt when he got up hobbling. We know what happens to QBs who have no O line or continually go to ground with the ball. They end up like Andrew Luck and RG3 ! Oddly CJ Beathard, their back up QB before Mullens arrived also had the same issues and was even worse. He was getting pounded because he simply would not throw the ball away.

Jimmy also does not have a good long throw and rarely throws long compared to Beathard and Mullens. One of the turning points of the SB was when he overthrew Sanders who had separation from the defense and would not have been caught that close to the line. An accurate throw there was crucial. Others saw it as Sanders not reacting quick enough. So I agree he does have weaknesses but the reality is that the final quarter of the SB was a shambles for the Niners and not just for Jimmy. The defense missed tackles, Jimmy couldn't connect and Shanahan was making some odd play calls. If you keep turning over the ball quickly to Mahomes you are asking for trouble especially with so many options on the Kansas offense.

Speaking of the Niners O Line it seems that everyone is expecting the Niners to draft for a WR in the first round with so many good ones on offer. They lost Sanders to the Saints and WR always seems to be a problem for the Niners hence the amount of ball Kittle often sees. I think they will take a WR but the O Line and Corner positions also need addressing with Staley and Sherman still quality players but both have lost a step or two and the Niners don't have depth at those positions unlike their RB group and the front four defense. They re-signed most of their SB squad with the main difference being Buckner being traded the Colts. They took a punt on the cheaper option with Arik Armstead who does have a history of injuries so whether it works out remains to be seen. Some people thought it was a good move not to pay so much for Buckner while others were critical. Many Niners fans were shocked until the contracts were compared and it also allowed the Niners to re-sign Jimmy Ward in the secondary who had a really good season.

 

[jmdirt]

While workout videos don't mean anything to game play, this Cam workout video does show that he isn't cripple after his surgery:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

While workout videos don't mean anything to game play, this Cam workout video does show that he isn't cripple after his surgery:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/

Not a Cam fan here, but good to see that. Especially liked that last deep throw to outside shoulder.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Speaking of the Niners O Line it seems that everyone is expecting the Niners to draft for a WR in the first round with so many good ones on offer. They lost Sanders to the Saints and WR always seems to be a problem for the Niners hence the amount of ball Kittle often sees. I think they will take a WR but the O Line and Corner positions also need addressing with Staley and Sherman still quality players but both have lost a step or two and the Niners don't have depth at those positions unlike their RB group and the front four defense. They re-signed most of their SB squad with the main difference being Buckner being traded the Colts. They took a punt on the cheaper option with Arik Armstead who does have a history of injuries so whether it works out remains to be seen. Some people thought it was a good move not to pay so much for Buckner while others were critical. Many Niners fans were shocked until the contracts were compared and it also allowed the Niners to re-sign Jimmy Ward in the secondary who had a really good season.

This is a really deep draft at the WR position. I think a team can pick up a really good WR in round 2, and possibly through rounds 4 or 5. So maybe they should focus on OT in round 1. Problem is, while the OT position is also deep in this draft, the really good ones will have already been taken by the time SF is on the clock, UNLESS they trade up. So this will be interesting to watch what SF does. Same with Seattle, who could use another quality starting OT, not just a depth guy, and who also draft late. Just a side note, the draft depth at the C/G positions is poor. As to the CB positions in the draft, there are some, but not too many long body guys like Sherman.

 

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This is a really deep draft at the WR position. I think a team can pick up a really good WR in round 2, and possibly through rounds 4 or 5. So maybe they should focus on OT in round 1. Problem is, while the OT position is also deep in this draft, the really good ones will have already been taken by the time SF is on the clock, UNLESS they trade up. So this will be interesting to watch what SF does. Same with Seattle, who could use another quality starting OT, not just a depth guy, and who also draft late. Just a side note, the draft depth at the C/G positions is poor. As to the CB positions in the draft, there are some, but not too many long body guys like Sherman.

It seems that historically first round WR draft picks never usually amount much with some exceptions of course.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[jmdirt]

Godwin said that he'd be happy to give 12 to TB12. I did see $$ in his eyes as he said it though!

TB12 has a lot of marketing stuff so changing might be tough...or profitable because everyone would have to buy new stuff! TB99!

Its official TB12 is going to be ...TB12!

 

[SHAD0W93]

Its official TB12 is going to be ...TB12!

Or will it be TB²12?

 

[jmdirt]

Or will it be TB²12?

TB12.2

 

[SHAD0W93]

TB12.2

I wish he had received a new number though to start his new journey (TB3, TB7 etc) but I can understand with him having the TB12 brand.