New Lance positives in 2004 and 2005

[Dead Star]

It's 2005 after the stage Vaughters refers to in his IM. The stage where Vino attacked and Disco were dropped bar Lance. First mountain stage after rest day Vino/Ullrich et al were dropped hard. Popo & Il Falco did crazy work to kill the field. Piti won the stage.

For maillot jaune Lance Armstrong, it was a "****ty day" as he told French TV's Jean-Rene Godard in a post-race interview. Armstrong suffered on the day's last ascent of the Col de la Schlucht, finishing 20th on the stage, 0'27 behind Weening in a 32 man chase group. "Clearly the team was not really on today and I wasn't feeling really good either, and the other teams did feel good. With situations like (today), it'll be hard to win the Tour, day in and day out. So now we have to evaluate where we are and make some adjustments."

I love reading the old reports.

 

[LugHugger]

To keep everyone warm & fuzzy the UCI sent all major cycling news outlets a memo that if they suggest The UCI covered up results they will sue.

Lol, lost count of how many times we've heard that recently! Double dare you!

 

[mewmewmew13]

Are you OK with blood being stored for future testing?

Absolutely

Are you in favour of retroactive testing?

Yes. They give you the option when you are tested – can we use your specimen in the future for experiments? I always check ‘yes’.


http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/345599/lance-armstrong-exclusive-interview.html

It was good to read that interview again!
Knowing what we do now it's quite telling...

here's a gem...
"You can see in the latter years I would not have risked my family’s reputation, my savings, my foundation, all those people who believe in that cause. I wouldn’t have risked that. "

..and the BS about not seeing much of Ferrari

 

[pedaling squares]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/345599/lance-armstrong-exclusive-interview.html

Some beauty quotes in that article:

Not that I have any control over this, but I would encourage the UCI and ASO to follow the lead of the French Open at Roland Garros and not send samples to Chatenay Malabry.

I don’t believe it’s better to stand up all the time and say, ‘we’re clean, we’re clean, we’re clean’ and have moderate success on the road.

A fantastic flip-flop:

Are you OK with blood being stored for future testing?
Absolutely

Are you in favour of retroactive testing?
Yes. They give you the option when you are tested – can we use your specimen in the future for experiments? I always check ‘yes’.

But you didn’t want the AFLD to open up your samples from more recent Tours
They only offered 1999. The others have been tested.

And would you be OK with them being tested again?
They’ve already been tested.

But tested again.
What do you want me to do? Keep testing? The first time they came back clean. That’s not enough?

And of course, the classic:

Do you have any Therapeutic Use Exemptions?
No. Never have.

Never? What about the cortisone?
Well, obviously there was the cortisone.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

To keep everyone warm & fuzzy the UCI sent all major cycling news outlets a memo that if they suggest The UCI covered up results they will sue.

LOL, is there a source for that?

I would LOVE for that to become public.

 

[JPM London]

Probably mentioned a million times already, but with the number of post in all threads at the moment I've gone into heavy skimming mode for almost everything - so... Just thinking that the charging letter states the use of experimental/unreleased medications? While the whole actovegin stuff has been rehashed many times, this could clearly also be about early access to CERA. CERA in this case they would have actual evidence of, actovegin (or other stuff) not so much...

Hoffman-La Roche applied to the European Medicines Agency in 2006 to put Cera into the market, so 2003 seems a bit early. It would surely be in an early stated of development. Maybe Hamilton uses "Cera" as a synonym for a number of next-generation Epo derivates?

Or maybe - if it wasn't in fact CERA - it could be that they didn't have names for the stuff the got. Imagine unlabelled vials and the tagline "next generation epo". Then when you hear the word CERA several years later you simply assume

 

[ebandit]

just sue it

To keep everyone warm & fuzzy the UCI sent all major cycling news outlets a memo that if they suggest The UCI covered up results they will sue.

more empty threats from fat pat or likely to happen?

of course i think of uci's threat to sue floyd.............in the usada v armstrong thread 29/08 I mentioned this a member marcozero replied

'There is a pending legal action of the UCI against Floyd here in Switzerland. Our state's department of justice just published a request for Floyd to take position on the legal action against him in May 2011. They don't know his current address so cannot serve him.

anyone else hear of this?

+ in the news section of cn today..............yes! just before news of new positives for lance fat pat blabbed that lance would be sanctioned if uci had info from usada ........was this pro-active knowing news of lances 2004 positives was going live?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

yes !!!

 

[xianbr]

Just had a quick look at the Classement Final of the 2005 Tour, who gets the race ?

Classement final : 1 Armstrong, 2 Basso, 3 Ullrich, 4 Mancebo, 5 Vinokourov, 6 Leipheimer, 7 Rasmussen, 8 Evans, 9 Landis, 10 Pereiro Sio.

 

[The_Z_man]

If these samples are positive, I hate to say it, but nothing will happen. Lance is going to deflect and explain away the positives, and nobody is going to care.

It's happened before, and I don't see why anything would change.

 

[will10]

I love reading the old reports.

Tell me about it. The CN coverage of the Vuelta in 2004 is, in hindsight, frigging hilarious

I remember very clearly Discovery being MIA on the Col de la Schlucht stage. Then Popo whittled it down to just four guys on the Courchevel stage 2 days later

 

[Benotti69]

If these samples are positive, I hate to say it, but nothing will happen. Lance is going to deflect and explain away the positives, and nobody is going to care.

It's happened before, and I don't see why anything would change.

He is not going to deflect. He will retreat to where he will not talk to anyone that is not onside.

The game is up.

The 500 tests has been blown out of the water.

The papers are not scared to report on the "disgraced former Tour De France winner stripped of his titles....."

I bet people will be leaving him pretty soon. It is a sinking ship.

 

[Irish2009]

Basso would have to be declared winner of the 2005 tour, for not actually testing positive.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

If these samples are positive, I hate to say it, but nothing will happen. Lance is going to deflect and explain away the positives, and nobody is going to care.

It's happened before, and I don't see why anything would change.

The general public can only take so much, plus I really think they are not so much unintelligent as they are uninterested in the nitty gritty of it.

He explained away the 1999 samples by stating it was a French lab and attributing it to them being anti-american, I think he'll have a tougher time spinning these since they came from USADA. Dickie Pound said it best when he said Armstrong had to be caught by Americans.

 

[Race Radio]

Wonderboy responds

‏@lancearmstrong

Finally? Seriously?

 

[Mr.38%]

Why not something else like Synacthen, undetectable prior 2006?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Wonderboy responds

what a tool

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Wonderboy responds

Seems like a weird of choice of words.

Oh like, finally I got caught man ....... this pressure has been way too much.

I'm probably reading into it too much though.

 

[the big ring]

To keep everyone warm & fuzzy the UCI sent all major cycling news outlets a memo that if they suggest The UCI covered up results they will sue.

Surely that would be a Good Thing™?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Seems like a weird of choice of words.

Oh like, finally I got caught man ....... this pressure has been way too much.

I'm probably reading into it too much though.

It's because it was reported that they "finally" tested positive..

he was mocking

 

[Merckx index]

Could it be plasticizers? The French report says blood samples, but they might have been mistaken. The DEHP test is done on urine samples.

I checked the Tours 02-05 for times when LA would have been tested following a rest day. There are plenty:

02 Stage 11 (2 days after first rest day)
Stage 15 (1 day after second rest day)

03 Stage 11 (1 day after first rest day)
Stage 16 (1 day after second rest day)

04 Stage 15 (1 day after second rest day)

05 Stage 10 (2 days after first rest day)
Stage 16 (1 day after second rest day)

If it is DEHP, it will be fun to see him scramble to find experts who will contest the significance of the findings. If it is CERA, not much he can do.

I guess Pat had inside info.

It's a pity. There are so many positive things happening.

Yes, many positive things are happening.

 

[Dead Star]

Wonderboy responds

Is he losing it?

 

[ToreBear]

Wonderboy responds

Responding to K. Lemonds Tweet from over a week ago?

 

[Briant_Gumble]

It's because it was reported that they "finally" tested positive..

he was mocking

Oh I see, that makes sense now.

 

[Benotti69]

Wonderboy responds

he is taking the phish. he knows he was caught a long time ago.