Nibali next year programe giro or tour?

[Archibald]

stuff... Cause if you can't win the Giro you sure as hell wouldn't have won the Tour.

tell that to Evans

horses for courses isn't it? I'm sure they'll look at the parcours when they're released and make a decision then as to which will suit each of them

 

[maxmartin]

Not sure that will be the case or not, this year tour fits Nibali more than the giro, and somehow Basso was doing the tour.

I think it really depends what Basso really wants and what deal he can make with Nibali regardless of the courses

tell that to Evans

horses for courses isn't it? I'm sure they'll look at the parcours when they're released and make a decision then as to which will suit each of them

 

[cineteq]

I don't know if Nibali can beat Wiggins at the Tour.

Has Wiggins won any GT?

 

[Swabian Lass]

They'll look at the parcours and make a decision. I have a feeling, though, that Basso wants the TdF win more than he wants the Giro so he may go in that direction. If that's the case then I'd say Nibali will target the Giro and Vuelta.

IMO Nibali can't beat Contador, could beat Schleck (but not a done deal - depends on form and the parcours) and would probably beat Wiggins.

 

[hrotha]

Has Wiggins won any GT?

I'll get back to you on that in a month or so

 

[Swabian Lass]

How about new Sidi commercial? This year was a massive breakthrough and I'm really looking forward to see more to come.

You are being sarcastic? I really, really like Nibali and Basso and by the end of the Vuelta even I wanted to put a shoe through the TV every time that ad came on.

I think that I preferred Tyler Farrar "I wear transitions lenses" from lat year and that's saying something.

 

[richtea]

I love this advert, particularly Nibali's look of comedy surprise when he takes the lid off the serving dish.

 

[cineteq]

Not sure that will be the case or not, this year tour fits Nibali more than the giro, and somehow Basso was doing the tour.

I think it really depends what Basso really wants and what deal he can make with Nibali regardless of the courses

Based on latest results, Liquigas should demote Basso, and make Nibali the leader of the team. That's a no brainer. Basso = Giro. Basso does not have the tools to podium the Tour anymore. Let Nibali ride the Tour which favors anyway a balanced GC rider. If he has a chance to win it or not, that's another story. Let the guy dream!

 

[mb2612]

Basso's tour prep was completely messed up this year, it's hard to judge him based on those results.

 

[Angliru]

Basso's tour prep was completely messed up this year, it's hard to judge him based on those results.

+1
His Tour prep was far from ideal. I think it's too early to write Basso off. He's younger than Evans and is riding for one of the better grand tour stage racing teams in the sport in Liquigas. I'd wait till after next year's performance to decide if he's reached his plateau. Nibali, I think, still has room and time to continue to progress as a pro, but I think his goal for next season should be winning the Giro, leaving the Tour for Basso. The Vuelta should be an afterthought and dependent upon their performances in the Giro and Tour. Next season's performances should iron out the Liquigas heirarchy, not what happened this year.

 

[jens_attacks]

probably basso will work two weeks in il giro for nibali and in le tour nibali will help basso.
so yep basso might win a third giro

 

[The Hitch]

Did Liqui get another 9 riders through a Grand Tour this Vuelta?

 

[Angliru]

Did Liqui get another 9 riders through a Grand Tour this Vuelta?

Yep, the Universal Sports commentators indicated they've got quite an impressive consecutive string of grand tours completed with their entire team finishing, I just can't remember the number.

 

[mb2612]

Yep, the Universal Sports commentators indicated they've got quite an impressive consecutive string of grand tours completed with their entire team finishing, I just can't remember the number.

They managed it the past 3 years so it's at least 9, which given no one else has ever managed a single year is out of this world.

 

[El Pistolero]

tell that to Evans

horses for courses isn't it? I'm sure they'll look at the parcours when they're released and make a decision then as to which will suit each of them

He didn't win the Tour that year now did he.

 

[cineteq]

probably basso will work two weeks in il giro for nibali and in le tour nibali will help basso.
so yep basso might win a third giro

Hmm...ok...so Basso leaves after 2 weeks, and the he can win his 3rd Giro?
Actually I want to see it the other way around. Nibali working for Basso for 1 1/2 weeks and leave the Giro to prepare for the Tour.

 

[jens_attacks]

what i meant is that is possible that the plan would be basso to help nibali in giro and then leave the race.but i expect basso to be way stronger than nibali and he might win the race for himself.

nibali can't do more that 8th place in le tour.

 

[Angliru]

They managed it the past 3 years so it's at least 9, which given no one else has ever managed a single year is out of this world.

I was going to say 9 but I couldn't believe it was that much. That is quite impressive!

 

[Angliru]

what i meant is that is possible that the plan would be basso to help nibali in giro and then leave the race.but i expect basso to be way stronger than nibali and he might win the race for himself.

nibali can't do more that 8th place in le tour.

One would think that with his (Nibali) attributes that he would fair better at the Tour than the Giro. At the same time no one treats the Tour as a training exercise for another event so of course the competition would be stiffer.

 

[Archibald]

I have a feeling, though, that Basso wants the TdF win more than he wants the Giro so he may go in that direction. If that's the case then I'd say Nibali will target the Giro and Vuelta.

I think Nibali would still love to win the Giro and it will be high on his agenda, so therefore may still go for that before going for a TdF win, and happily allow Basso the leadership for the TdF.
He knows he'll pretty much be the leader for 2013 for the TdF anyway.

He didn't win the Tour that year now did he.

didn't realise you were meaning 'in the same year'

 

[royalpig180]

Has Wiggins won any GT?

No, but here's my assessment:

Nibali is generally not a very explosive climber, contrary to what he would like to believe. He, like Wiggins, is generally a grinder type climber who's better on longer climbs. The truth is that Wiggins has shown that he can be a far superior "grinder" (see La Vuelta). I believe that Nibali, at his best, will have a slight advantage on steeper climbs like the Angrilu, Zoncolan, etc, but that's only if he's on great form.

Nibbles may be a pretty good time trialist among climbers, but he's not on the same level as Wiggins. He can't rely on this to gain time, and if he is going to keep one losing time to Wiggins in the mountains, there's no way he could realistically beat him without several crazy descent finishes. With that said, both are lacking the climbing skills for the steepest climbs, and face an uphill battle to win any GT (pun not intended) if courses similar to the three we saw this year are repeated. On a parcours with more TT kms and less steep finishes, either could be a contender.

 

[mb2612]

No, but here's my assessment:

Nibali is generally not a very explosive climber, contrary to what he would like to believe. He, like Wiggins, is generally a grinder type climber who's better on longer climbs. The truth is that Wiggins has shown that he can be a far superior "grinder" (see La Vuelta). I believe that Nibali, at his best, will have a slight advantage on steeper climbs like the Angrilu, Zoncolan, etc, but that's only if he's on great form.

Nibbles may be a pretty good time trialist among climbers, but he's not on the same level as Wiggins. He can't rely on this to gain time, and if he is going to keep one losing time to Wiggins in the mountains, there's no way he could realistically beat him without several crazy descent finishes. With that said, both are lacking the climbing skills for the steepest climbs, and face an uphill battle to win any GT (pun not intended) if courses similar to the three we saw this year are repeated. On a parcours with more TT kms and less steep finishes, either could be a contender.

You can't claim Wiggins is a better climber based on this Vuelta, that's like me claiming McEwen is a better climber based on the 05 tour.

 

[greenedge]

Hopefully Nibali could focus on the TDF because he shall get a good racing programme. The classics and T-A seem good.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

If Nibali doesn't make a jup in his climbing ability he shouldn't go to the Tour at cost of the Giro/Vuelta to compete.
Basso I believe isn't finished yet, and on a good day he can defend himself in long TTs as well. Nibali can't to more than defending himself in long TTs either. Also, and this is the real poblem, he can't attack the big ones on the climbs.
I really like Nibali, he's a very consistend and smart rider. A survivor really. But that's also how he got his podiums indeed. He survived better than his opponents, and he has always been outclimbed.
The best he can achieve in the Tour right now is Top 10 with a shot at low Top 5. If they put more long TTs in the Tour that would probably even be a disadvantage to him, as he's OK but not even close to Evans, Contador, Wiggins, Froome (if he continues his alien-life-form existence), Menchov...

 

[cineteq]

Nibbles may be a pretty good time trialist among climbers, but he's not on the same level as Wiggins. He can't rely on this to gain time, and if he is going to keep one losing time to Wiggins in the mountains, there's no way he could realistically beat him without several crazy descent finishes.

So you're basing your comments on the Vuelta results? Wiggins has still a lot to prove as a GC rider. NIbali had obviously a sub-par performance, and I will blame it on the crash that Farrar initiated.

The best he can achieve in the Tour right now is Top 10 with a shot at low Top 5. If they put more long TTs in the Tour that would probably even be a disadvantage to him, as he's OK but not even close to Evans, Contador, Wiggins, Froome (if he continues his alien-life-form existence), Menchov...

He was already 7th in 2009 without being the leader of the team. I don't think having a long ITT is a disadvantage for him comparing to most of overall contenders. Btw, he just lost 62 sec. to Wiggins in a 47km ITT few weeks ago.