No giro for Scarponi

[hfer07]

Ryo won't like you looking over Rujano and Henao that much . Besides their will still be plenty of guys going for it at the giro. Is Purito doing it? I seem to remember him saying he was doing the Giro-Vuelta combo again this year

It all comes down to what kind of shape he'll be in (Rujano)coming May- If He had the same shape as last year's - he'll be threat-but the course ins't that suitable to his skills-has this year's Giro been as tough as last year's, There is no doubt Rujano could well win it-although the few MTF are gruel nonetheless & can well give him an advantage-but then the team support he lacks for the intermediate stages is where he won't be as powerful as Basso. Purito? I still think he lacks that bit necessary to actually "win" a GT, but top 5 is attainable. Henao? I wish to him nothing but the best in his first GT-my compatriot has a golden opportunity to glow and escalate to the very top of the cycling world if he performs well.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Ryo won't like you looking over Rujano and Henao that much . Besides their will still be plenty of guys going for it at the giro. Is Purito doing it? I seem to remember him saying he was doing the Giro-Vuelta combo again this year

indeed he is.
Think as far as team leaders go...
Rujano
Basso
Jrod
Nieve(?)
Gadret
Kreuziger(?)
VDV, Hesj(?)
Ullisi, Niemiec
Fuglsang
Pozzovivo
Henao
Konig
Slagter
Bruseghin, Quintana?

maybe a little thin, but we'll see.

 

[jens_attacks]

at this point if they invite acqua e sapone,di luca might get on the podium.
this might be one of the weakest giro startlists i remember.
rujano the big favourite unless basso improves a lot his 2010 form.
if scarponi doesn't come,rcs will be forced to invite acqua e sapone,they really need some big names now,it's pathetic.

 

[Oliver]

That sucks. There won't be a lot of big riders in the Giro this year. It deserves better!

Without Scarponi, Basso will win probably. In this case Rodriguez & Kreuziger can take a podium spot.

 

[Kvinto]

Kreuziger(?)
VDV, Hesj(?)

Kreuziger has Giro as the main objective in 2012. VDV rides it for the preparation (or just to crash once again) while Hesjedal leads the team (he even said the route suits him because the decisive stages scheduled at the end of race so that he usually feels good on the third week).

 

[Michele]

Lampre could send Lloyd with a free role.

 

[Red Rick]

This is going to be a very weak field. I thinks pink is for Bassa, Purito, Rujano or Kreuziger. But ofcourse Purito will blow it on all on one mountain, as he always does, Rujano will find a flat stage to lose six minutes. That leaves Kreuziger, whom Basso will beat 9 times out of 10.

 

[Eshnar]

I don't think we should handle a casual sentence in an article about another thing as 'official news'
Even if it were true, there's not written anything about Scarponi not doing the Giro btw.

 

[Mellow Velo]

This is going to be a very weak field. I thinks pink is for Bassa, Purito, Rujano or Kreuziger. But ofcourse Purito will blow it on all on one mountain, as he always does, Rujano will find a flat stage to lose six minutes. That leaves Kreuziger, whom Basso will beat 9 times out of 10.

You want to see what a very weak Giro field looks like, take a peek at the 2004 startlist.

 

[airstream]

It is not even the worst. The thing is Michele would have to pressure on the climbs, given Basso's advantage in TTT and TT maybe, that would determine more eventful mountain stages. If Scarponi is out, even Basso lol can with the Giro without attacks. I don't know what can save us from that. Kreuziger is too heavy for such slopes. The only thing which makes him do the Giro is willingness to be a captain, otherwise he would always have preferred the Tour. Purito can crack completely on one of the stages. On the other hand I believe Kanstantin Siutsou can podium in such a field. Nonetheless, its a blessing in disguise. CAS made it impossible to compare Evans and Contador in long TTs, but we can probably weigh Scarponi as a climber in the Tour.

 

[Kvinto]

It is not even the worst. The thing is Michele would have to pressure on the climbs, given Basso's advantage in TTT and TT maybe, that would determine more eventful mountain stages. If Scarponi is out, even Basso lol can with the Giro without attacks. I don't know what can save us from that.

Basso has zero advantage in TT over Scarponi. Michele is a better tter.

 

[will10]

Basso has zero advantage in TT over Scarponi. Michele is a better tter.

It's irrelevant anyway, might as well be no TT in the Giro

 

[Red Rick]

It is not even the worst. The thing is Michele would have to pressure on the climbs, given Basso's advantage in TTT and TT maybe, that would determine more eventful mountain stages. If Scarponi is out, even Basso lol can with the Giro without attacks. I don't know what can save us from that.

We should hope that Nibali rides it. Liquigas can controll all the climbs, then Bassa tries to drop everyone, while Nibali finally has a chance to attack Basso at the descents

 

[airstream]

Basso has zero advantage in TT over Scarponi. Michele is a better tter.

based on what?

 

[Kvinto]

based on what?

On the head-to-head results in the last years. Because if you take into consideration a pre-suspended Basso i really have no questions

 

[TeoSheva]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11267/Italian-teams-pronto-for-Saturdays-Strade-Bianche.aspx

if that so, this year giro must be very weak, maybe Contador is gone, everybody feel they might have a chance to win the Tour LOL

I do not believe this!

Scarponi says that he will decided after the Tirreno!

Should be really a huge error for him to do the Tour this year with +100km of TT!

 

[airstream]

On the head-to-head results in the last years. Because if you take into consideration a pre-suspended Basso i really have no questions

Absolutely not. They are both weak. But as i see Basso would ride 30k better on the penultimate day.

 

[frandy]

Frank schleck to win a GT Purito 2nd Basso 3rd

 

[Kvinto]

Absolutely not. They are both weak. But as i see Basso would ride 30k better on the penultimate day.

You may see what you want to, but the facts say that for the last three years 'a weak Basso' is weaker tter than 'a weak Scarponi'.
Tirreno 2009, Trentino 2010, Giro 2010, Tirreno 2011. All the races in which both contended for GC and in every of these tts Scarponi was faster than Basso. In fact for the last 3 years Basso was faster only in Giro 2009 tts when Scarponi didn't ride for the GC but for stage wins.
Saying that they are 'both weak' followed by 'as i see...' is a hypocritical distortion of the facts

 

[airstream]

You may see what you want to, but the facts say that for the last three years 'a weak Basso' is weaker tter than 'a weak Scarponi'.
Tirreno 2009, Trentino 2010, Giro 2010, Tirreno 2010. All the races in which both contended for GC and in every of these tts Scarponi was faster than Basso. In fact for the last 3 years Basso was faster only in Giro 2009 tts when Scarponi didn't ride for the GC but for stage wins.
Saying that they are 'both weak' followed by 'as i see...' is a hypocritical distortion of the facts

i dont impose my point. i was saying "may be". its well-known that basso always suffered in short tts. its possible to do 10km faster due to the fact one's organism works out quicker. tirreno and trentino is some observation, but its not the reason to make a definitive conclusion. im even sure basso would ride 30k better or at least good enough so that scarponi's minimal advantage in no way affect.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11267/Italian-teams-pronto-for-Saturdays-Strade-Bianche.aspx

if that so, this year giro must be very weak, maybe Contador is gone, everybody feel they might have a chance to win the Tour LOL

Big chance for the Schleck brothers to do something in the Giro.

 

[Kvinto]

i dont impose my point. i was saying "may be". its well-known that basso always suffered in short tts. its possible to do 10km faster due to the fact one's organism works out quicker. tirreno and trentino is some observation, but its not the reason to make a definitive conclusion. im even sure basso would ride 30k better or at least good enough so that scarponi's minimal advantage in no way affect.

You don't impose on your point but want the facts from me? Scarponi isn't great in 10km tts as well or you're talking about 10-20km tts You want 30km? No problem:

Tirreno 2009, Stage 5 - March 15: Loreto - Macerata (ITT), 30km:

1 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 41.32 (43.339 km/h)
2 Stijn Devolder (Bel) Quick Step 0.20
3 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Columbia-Highroad 0.21
4 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli
5 Mikhail Ignatiev (Rus) Katusha 0.32
6 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank 0.40
7 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone-Caffè Mokambo 0.41
8 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Columbia-Highroad 0.52
9 Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Milram 0.58
10 Jérôme Coppel (Fra) Française des Jeux 1.00
....
19 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas 1.14

But in the end i'm glad that you've changed your 'Basso's advantage in TT maybe' view into 'scarponi's minimal advantage'

 

[airstream]

no, i havent changed my point in regard to this tt. will you recognize your hypocrisy in case basso beats scarponi?)) huh, we are reasoning about a potential winner. do you think Scarponi is able to gain crucial seconds in TT?

 

[Kvinto]

no, i havent changed my point in regard to this tt. will you recognize your hypocrisy in case basso beats scarponi?))

What hypocrisy? I use facts (i.e. results), while you use your point of view. The only thing i may recognize if Basso wins a tt against Scarponi (take notice that i don't rule out such possibility) is that i was wrong at some point, but it has nothing to do with hypocrisy

huh, we are reasoning about a potential winner. do you think Scarponi is able to gain crucial seconds in TT?

I think he can gain seconds over Basso in TT (he actually does it in the last years), but whether or not these seconds can be crucial i dunno, rather 'not crucial'.

 

[Ruudz0r]

indeed he is.
Think as far as team leaders go...
Rujano
Basso
Jrod
Nieve(?)
Gadret
Kreuziger(?)
VDV, Hesj(?)
Ullisi, Niemiec
Fuglsang
Pozzovivo
Henao
Konig
Slagter
Bruseghin, Quintana?

maybe a little thin, but we'll see.

VDV will be domestic for Hesjedal, since VDV is concentrating on the TDF. Im actually really curious about the line up for Movistar in the Giro, since I think Arroyo, Kiryienka both said to not ride it, Cobo and Valverde not riding so they probably come up with a selection like:

Bruseghin, Visconti, Samoilau, Quintana, Konovalavas, Pardilla, Lastras, Ventoso and another guy hopefully Moreno Bazan who can ride for himself.