NovitzkyÂ’s European vacation

[thehog]

Calm down. You just agreed with everything I said. They are not shadowy networks. They are sophisticated transporters. How does one get microdoses of EPO from the Ukriane to Spain for testing and then into a small French town without being tracked? Just Lim. Come on. The guy can barely string together a lie. He makes ricecakes not running gear from Cali to France.

Cool your jets man.

Uh, sure dude. They just flipped open the yellow pages, looked up "dope transport," and told them they needed a shipment delivered on the second rest day. They then asked about the before ten guarantee, where there is a 50% discount if the courier does not arrive by ten o'clock in the morning.

FLandis needed Lim. He did not need a shadowy external network.

As far as the actual dope goes, there are three questions. 1) Where did they buy it. 2) Who transported it across borders and how. 3) To whom did he give it or sell it, and how did he facilitate that..

As for 1) there are a zillion sources, and it is easy to use a cutout. It's not like Armstrong has to go down the local gym and look for a bro who is making money on the side. He could send a trusted confident who is part of a very small and trusted circle. The $64K question is who bought the stuff in the U.S. or carried it into the country.

2) may present a very big problem. If Hamilton's doping schedule is indicative of what is typical then a PED of one kind or another was being used several times a week during training. With Armstrong jetting around from place to place that means a lot of international borders being crossed.

3) is a problem because the other members of the team had to be supplied, so there was definitely drug trafficking. They were distributing drugs. A good line of attack would be to accumulate testimony from Postal's U.S. riders about the three Postal doctors then indict and extradite them. The team doctors are at the center because they had to deal with dope supply and with team management. Crack them and they will give a huge amount of information.

An interesting thing about FLandis' e-mail is what a small and tight operation they were running. It is also interesting how paranoid they were even back in 2002.

 

[hrotha]

Moving the stuff across borders is not usually much of a problem. EU and all that. You're only likely to be stopped and checked if they're already waiting for you.

 

[BroDeal]

Cool your jets man.

Sorry to interrupt your usual guesswork masquerading as insider knowledge.

 

[thehog]

Sorry to interrupt your usual guesswork masquerading as insider knowledge.

Noted you didn't respond to my counter points.

The knife cuts deep when I catch you out.

You're a nice guy but lose the chip. It shows.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

When the lie is to millions of people (many with cancer) , yes, and the lie earned many people millions of dollarsI think pursuing the truth is a priorty for them - it really doesn't matter whether they always from here on in "pursue the truth in general" it's a more than valid pursuit.

Besides, lets see how big this network or fraud is before we judge whether it's worth it.

Based on the WMD lies for starting illegal wars in various countries, through which many people made millions (if not billions), I'm not counting on the American gov't to do too much based on that reasoning.

It may be more about a motivated investigator that can see the socio-cultural damage that the Armstrong camp can, and has, inflicted on sport and how those actions have degraded something beautiful and made it entirely banal and propped up on lies.

Politics is never about truth. It's all about vendetta, power, money, and lies.

Thank god a segment of the US government is caring about a bit of that, for now...

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

What people forget is to get drugs across country borders you need logistics and a network....The Feds, Interpol or whichever National authority wants it shutdown.* And rightfully so I might add.

That's what missing in all the criticisms of the investigation. If it's about Lance, it's primarily because he is/was part of the distribution network. I'm fairly certain that the investigation regarding LA's doping is related to his credibility, but the real charges will be more substantial than mere use of a controlled substance to trick big government out of money.

 

[jimmypop]

Sorry to interrupt your usual guesswork masquerading as insider knowledge.

Indeed -thehog has some good points, but the made-up "insidery" stuff taints his other posts.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Noted you didn't respond to my counter points.

The knife cuts deep when I catch you out.

You're a nice guy but lose the chip. It shows.

Come on Hog you gotta admit it was a funny line. Besides it's not like you even bat .500 in all of your prognostications.
I know Race Radio, and you sir are no Race Radio.

 

[Anonymous]

The way Popo was brought in for questioning scared a lot of people. It was witnessed by many and for the first time Armstrong's people realised they are not in control of the situation. There are a lot of very frightened people. This cannot be brushed aside by a UCI whitewash report. I've been reliably informed that if Armstrong attempts to leave the country they will detain him and confiscate his passport. He won't be at the TDU.

While I believe the investigation is producing evidence that will eventually sink Mr. Armstrong. You are full of sh!t. You are such a ****ing joke. Quit spewing stupid proclamations because none of us who are awaiting Contador's big September 2009 announcement believe anything you write...or was it August 09, I can't remember.

 

[BroDeal]

Noted you didn't respond to my counter points.

The knife cuts deep when I catch you out.

You're a nice guy but lose the chip. It shows.

I would rather have a wood chip on my shoulder than a cow chip.

 

[flicker]

Do you think exposing the truth is now a priority for the US government in general, or just on this issue?

I saw these films called Traffic. One was about a US Senator Micheal Douglass whose daughter is addicted to Crack Cocaine. We moped up that problem as there is no more meth, pot or cocaine coming through from Mexico or Colombia.
The other film Traffik was about poppy and addiction in Europe, following the Afgan/****/Hamburg pipeline. Problem stopped great job Interpol, mission accomplished H has been scourged from Europe.

Now Jeff/USA eye ti, french and espana combine to topple the 6th Monument Mr. 666 the Beast hisself. It will be tough but our law enforcemnt is thorough.
This will be the biggest challange for all involved, more important than white slavery, International coorperate crime, money laundry, Chomoras toxic waste business.

 

[Oldman]

I saw these films called Traffic. One was about a US Senator Micheal Douglass whose daughter is addicted to Crack Cocaine. We moped up that problem as there is no more meth, pot or cocaine coming through from Mexico or Colombia.
The other film Traffik was about poppy and addiction in Europe, following the Afgan/****/Hamburg pipeline. Problem stopped great job Interpol, mission accomplished H has been scourged from Europe.

Now Jeff/USA eye ti, french and espana combine to topple the 6th Monument Mr. 666 the Beast hisself. It will be tough but our law enforcemnt is thorough.
This will be the biggest challange for all involved, more important than white slavery, International coorperate crime, money laundry, Chomoras toxic waste business.

It's not about your diminished Lord Armstrong, anymore. I'm convinced, and have been for awhile that it's about the network that facilitates his and other rider's access to PEDs. That and the risk to the global supply of legally produced drugs which would be a big deal to anyone that got poisoned or didn't get the boner they paid for.

 

[flicker]

It's not about your diminished Lord Armstrong, anymore. I'm convinced, and have been for awhile that it's about the network that facilitates his and other rider's access to PEDs. That and the risk to the global supply of legally produced drugs which would be a big deal to anyone that got poisoned or didn't get the boner they paid for.

I think that Novizky is on a noble mission. The first place I would watch are the two massive factories that produce Ephedra, 1 in India and 1 in China.

That is the main poison to our youth here.

Secondly looking on the internet I notice PEDs are quite easily attained. I would never have thought until I visited a gym and see what is sold there and reading internet forums.

As far as the European PED pipeline once again I would look at the governing bodies of the #1 sport.

This thing about the Ukrainian, I know it will make headlines and gullitine Armstrong, but at the end of the day, small fish.

This thing that Novizky is studying is way bigger then Novizky suspected, it makes my eyeballs spin.

The drug business of course is a hydra. It really cannot be pinned, it is human nature to alter.

 

[hfer07]

Uh, sure dude. They just flipped open the yellow pages, looked up "dope transport," and told them they needed a shipment delivered on the second rest day. They then asked about the before ten guarantee, where there is a 50% discount if the courier does not arrive by ten o'clock in the morning.

LOL

As far as the actual dope goes, there are three questions. 1) Where did they buy it. 2) Who transported it across borders and how. 3) To whom did he give it or sell it, and how did he facilitate that..

BRUYNEEL
I've wrote it before and I'll do it once more: the investigation will get Bruyneel first--& LA will be tramped between his testimony and what the rest of the implicated have already declared--so Perjury will be the first account that LA will be charged for as soon as he opens his mouth in front of the grand jury-the remaining offenses will follow by default

 

[flicker]

LOL


BRUYNEEL
I've wrote it before and I'll do it once more: the investigation will get Bruyneel first--& LA will be tramped between his testimony and what the rest of the implicated have already declared--so Perjury will be the first account that LA will be charged for as soon as he opens his mouth in front of the grand jury-the remaining offenses will follow by default

Yes and after the testemony Bruyneel serves completes his sentence and becomes a gentleman farmer in ZAMBIA,Uraguay or Argentina. 2 years later he is a cycling clothing magnate and a year later a DS.

What happens after Novizky goes home, more designer dope, micrchondrial alterations, and more untraceable PEDs. Mission Accomplished the Myth has been disproved.

 

[Ferminal]

Calm down.

Cool your jets man.

You're doing it wrong hog. It's supposed to be:

"just relax".

 

[sartain]

that Fabiani guy is really sticking it to the Feds

For $30K a month, hell, for $10K even, I - one the biggest LA haters on this forum - would spew the same BS over and over again . . . is this the way we should waste the US taxpayer's money. If that is all of the heavy ammo he has it's a MAJOR FAIL! His good pal JC could do a better job in the press defending him than that for a fraction of the cost.

 

[tubularglue]

lets let Switzerland be the last stop.

Those banking records need to be gone over.

 

[BroDeal]

lets let Switzerland be the last stop.

Those banking records need to be gone over.

In exchange for dropping federal lawsuits against UBS, the bank and Swiss government agreed to turn over its customer list. In the last few weeks 4500 case files have been handed over to U.S. authorities. Several thousand more are to follow. By lucky happenstance, UBS is the bank that Ochowicz was going to use in his tax evasion scheme for FLandis. I wonder how many other riders Och advised to use UBS.

 

[washedup]

In exchange for dropping federal lawsuits against UBS, the bank and Swiss government agreed to turn over its customer list. In the last few weeks 4500 case files have been handed over to U.S. authorities. Several thousand more are to follow. By lucky happenstance, UBS is the bank that Ochowicz was going to use in his tax evasion scheme for FLandis. I wonder how many other riders Och advised to use UBS.

If Floyd's UBS accusations are true, I wonder if they will address the issues at all during the Novitzky USPS case. I would imagine some of the money likely went through the bank at some point, but aside from that I could see the tax evasion as a separate case.

Seems like skipping out on taxes is almost as common with cyclists as doping. Such an upstanding bunch.

 

[BroDeal]

If Floyd's UBS accusations are true, I wonder if they will address the issues at all during the Novitzky USPS case. I would imagine some of the money likely went through the bank at some point, but aside from that I could see the tax evasion as a separate case.

Seems like skipping out on taxes is almost as common with cyclists as doping. Such an upstanding bunch.

A tax evasion charge could be used as a club to persuade uncooperative witnesses. One possible problem is that the IRS has been offering amnesty for people who come forward and agree to make financial amends. Some of the cyclists might have extricated themselves from the situation using the amnesty. That would not help Ochowicz though. In fact it might make it easier to go after him.

 

[Altitude]

From Velonation article:

“He's going through all of Europe's trash cans. And sometimes you find things in a trash can,” he told AP. “They need supplemental proof to back up everything they have gathered.”

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6431/Armstrongs-spokesman-complains-as-federal-investigation-draws-closer-to-a-conclusion.aspx

What the hell is he going to find in the European trash bins that's relevant to USPS? How often do they change the garbage bags over there? He needs to dive into the sewers.

 

[TexPat]

A tax evasion charge could be used as a club to persuade uncooperative witnesses. One possible problem is that the IRS has been offering amnesty for people who come forward and agree to make financial amends. Some of the cyclists might have extricated themselves from the situation using the amnesty. That would not help Ochowicz though. In fact it might make it easier to go after him.

Wesley Snipes just got a free all expense paid trip to a federal penitentiary for tax evasion.

 

[BroDeal]

Wesley Snipes just got a free all expense paid trip to a federal penitentiary for tax evasion.

Three years in the big house.

Snipes has an excuse. He's stupid. How dumb do you have to be to follow the advice of a crackpot who claims that income taxes are unconstitutional?

The really funny thing is that Snipes' old financial advisor told him not to do it and severed his relationship with Snipes when he would not take his advice. That financial advisor, Kenneth Starr, was a would-be Bernie Madoff who was stealing millions from his celebrity clients. The tax scheme was so sketchy that even a crook like Starr did not want to get near it.

Snipes is a slimeball. Halle Berry is deaf in one ear because she was beat up by Snipes.

 

[thehog]

Now you're a Hollywood insider?

Three years in the big house.

Snipes has an excuse. He's stupid. How dumb do you have to be to follow the advice of a crackpot who claims that income taxes are unconstitutional?

The really funny thing is that Snipes' old financial advisor told him not to do it and severed his relationship with Snipes when he would not take his advice. That financial advisor, Kenneth Starr, was a would-be Bernie Madoff who was stealing millions from his celebrity clients. The tax scheme was so sketchy that even a crook like Starr did not want to get near it.

Snipes is a slimeball. Halle Berry is deaf in one ear because she was beat up by Snipes.