I'll let the Dutch answer this question to you guysEl Pistolero said:Is there a stage where Gesink didn't crash?
I'll let the Dutch answer this question to you guysEl Pistolero said:Is there a stage where Gesink didn't crash?
Kvinto said:There is difference, you just don't get it. You seem to underestimate the psychological aspect of the sport taking into account only physical part of it. The problem being that it's an easier aim just to drop someone you get to see than to drop by certain time as well as it's easier to give your best having a strong rival who would be a good indicator of your own strength. Dropping Contador (ie dropping the best) on Morzine-Avoriaz by some insignificant 10sec gave Andy confidence which the winning against anybody else by a minute would have never gave. I even don't know how to explain![]()
airstream said:Why? It seemed to me I overestimate it.I tried to tell the Hitch and other guys that one real unsuccessful Contador's pull could have influenced seriously on his aspitation to attack further as well as course of fighting in the mountains in general and was ridiculed.
I partially share your point, though it's all known fact an opponent sitting on your wheel iritates and worsens aerodinamic effects. It is possible to look at that other way. Schleck would have tried a lot earlier, if Contador hadnt been there, and taken much more than 10sec. But we still believe that Contador helped him in there too, alright..
An understatement, it's better for all the riders to race without Contador.trevim said:So my point is, probably it's better for Andy to race without Contador and especially without doing that attack-looking back-thing.
trevim said:I don't know how Contador helps. In 2010 yes, Madeleine put Andy on the podium. But last year lets see:
- stage to Gap: Contador lights up a stage where nothing was supposed to happen, Andy loses what? 1.30minutes or so
- stage to Alpe: Andy follows Contador in a suicide move. Tired for the last climb failing to put time on Evans and tired for the TT.
So my point is, probably it's better for Andy to race without Contador and especially without doing that attack-looking back-thing.
Kvinto said:If someone sits on your wheel you get angry and try to ride harder and harder (making efforts you wouldn't have made in any other occasion) to drop the parasiteSo, yes, the presence of Contador helps
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trevim said:I don't know how Contador helps. In 2010 yes, Madeleine put Andy on the podium. But last year lets see:
- stage to Gap: Contador lights up a stage where nothing was supposed to happen, Andy loses what? 1.30minutes or so
- stage to Alpe: Andy follows Contador in a suicide move. Tired for the last climb failing to put time on Evans and tired for the TT.
So my point is, probably it's better for Andy to race without Contador and especially without doing that attack-looking back-thing.
18-Valve. (pithy) said:All this talk about Contador, Riis, Valverde and anti-doping and you support ...............Menchov?!
My god, you are a trip, Havetts.![]()
cineteq said:An understatement, it's better for all the riders to race without Contador.
airstream said:Then they rather helped each other, otherwise Menchov could have smashed both in TT and won le Tour, considering how the things unfolded..
Havetts said:Haha, I do not "Support" Menchov, I simply said if everyones watching Andy & Cadel there could be someone profiting from that. And that would be Menchov, who I rate higher than Wiggins. Its no secret that Andy will be the best climber, but who will be the best TTr between Wiggo, Cadel and Denis? I think only time will tell.
cineteq said:An understatement, it's better for all the riders to race without Contador.
Kvinto said:it was only about 2010
airstream said:Why? It seemed to me I overestimate it.I tried to tell the Hitch and other guys that one real unsuccessful Contador's pull could have influenced seriously on his aspitation to attack further as well as course of fighting in the mountains in general and was ridiculed.
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frandy said:Christina Watches to get invited
Micheal rassmusen will win but will fail a test and Andy Schleck will win his
2ND GT and will then get the blame for finishing 2nd as a clean athlete to
a DOPER![]()
The Hitch said:Umm what did you try to tell me?
I dont recall speaking one way or anohter on this issue.
The Hitch said:Your problem is that you don't realize that Andy Schleck is a DOPER
Havetts said:Haha, I do not "Support" Menchov, I simply said if everyones watching Andy & Cadel there could be someone profiting from that. And that would be Menchov, who I rate higher than Wiggins. Its no secret that Andy will be the best climber, but who will be the best TTr between Wiggo, Cadel and Denis? I think only time will tell.
El Pistolero said:You said "I hope this happens". If you're hoping Menchov wins, then you're being supportive of him.
frandy said:yh im sure m8 schleck failed a test i dnt no about
frandy said:Shleck to win 2ND GT
Scarponi 2ND
Rasmussen 3rd
see what ive dine here lol![]()
frandy said:yh im sure m8 schleck failed a test i dnt no about