NY Times Says More To Come

[Hugh Januss]

By the way, Road Bike Review forums seems like a nice site. I've been posting in the doping forum over there for the past few weeks as Rex Hunter.

Not too busy though.

Rex Hunter huh? Didn't you use that name here too?
It's not too busy because anyone who posts anything suggesting that Lance is not God is banned.

 

[buckwheat]

Oh yes, the "specific reason" defense.

Do you have backdated TUE?

Why do you have a problem with what Brodeal is doing?

Lance is free to come on here and admit that his T, and Hct is a bit low and that's why he needed Ferrari to supplement his natural production.

He could pull on the group rides on the weekend without having to pee in a cup or give his blood. A little motor pacing is good for the weekend warriors.

 

[Anonymous]

That, my friend, is pure comedy gold.You poor thing, clinging on to your beliefs. I just hope you keep the comedy coming in a few months when your hero is taking showers with Compton's finest.

You know, I heard Hitler was very similar. So nice to his friends. It's a shame Churchill et al couldn't just see that and leave him alone.

He doesn't believe any of it. He is not a fan of cycling. He is a mentally ill person who does this because of a sick need deep inside him. He probably has little control ver it. I would bet everything I own that he does this on forums that have nothing to do with cycling.

 

[Hawkwood]

But they were just following orders.

yes, and didn't that defence work out well for them!

 

[Anonymous]

Oh yes, the "specific reason" defense.

Do you have backdated TUE?

No I have a doctors note and I am not currently racing. You and facts are never in the same time zone, huh?

 

[Anonymous]

Now, you once again go on ignore. You are not worth the effort . In fact I wish I could have the 2 mnutes back I have wasted onyou today. Bye bye Cybil.

 

[buckwheat]

yes, and didn't that defence work out well for them!

Hate to say it but people all over still invoke that defense.

People all over the US think the POTUS is somehow special and above and beyond the law because, well, the POTUS is incapable of breaking the law.

What they don't realize is that the crimes are just bigger.

Wasn't Tony Blair "just following orders" too? We know it's not because he was less intelligent.

Ahhh, weaker, that's the answer.

We see a variation on that theme in cycling.

"everybody is doing it."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Human nature.

 

[thehog]

from CW:

did you know that Pat McQuaid's son, Andrew, runs a company called Azzurri Sports Management, which acts as an agent for several riders, notably Nicolas Roche, Daniel Martin and Philip Deignan. While there is absolutely no suggestion that anything improper has ever taken place, the UCI must surely acknowledge that a conflict of interest exists. Andrew McQuaid was Tweeting from the Radioshack team car during the Tour of California.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

ON the whole, it would have been easier to close or delete this thread.

Whenever someone wants to report a problem, by the way, please send me a PM or an email. I see those a lot sooner than finding a problem when I read threads.

Susan

 

[buckwheat]

ON the whole, it would have been easier to close or delete this thread.

Whenever someone wants to report a problem, by the way, please send me a PM or an email. I see those a lot sooner than finding a problem when I read threads.

Susan

What problems?

We're just having fun!

 

[Anonymous]

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Look, twins!

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

from CW:

did you know that Pat McQuaid's son, Andrew, runs a company called Azzurri Sports Management, which acts as an agent for several riders, notably Nicolas Roche, Daniel Martin and Philip Deignan. While there is absolutely no suggestion that anything improper has ever taken place, the UCI must surely acknowledge that a conflict of interest exists. Andrew McQuaid was Tweeting from the Radioshack team car during the Tour of California.

Maybe we need to have a thread devoted to links showing evidence of UCI corruption/conflicts of interest?

Wasn't McQuaid's brother in law linked to the Tour of Ireland - a race which somehow managed to attract the Uniballer and his merry brand of men.

 

[buckwheat]

Now, you once again go on ignore. You are not worth the effort . In fact I wish I could have the 2 mnutes back I have wasted onyou today. Bye bye Cybil.

Why do you take yourself so seriously?

Like anyone really cares whether you ignore them.

 

[Ferminal]

from CW:

did you know that Pat McQuaid's son, Andrew, runs a company called Azzurri Sports Management, which acts as an agent for several riders, notably Nicolas Roche, Daniel Martin and Philip Deignan. While there is absolutely no suggestion that anything improper has ever taken place, the UCI must surely acknowledge that a conflict of interest exists. Andrew McQuaid was Tweeting from the Radioshack team car during the Tour of California.

I guess that's where Rasmussen, Ricco, Gusev, Landis etc went wrong.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Lance is a jerk and he's a doper.

But I fail to see the logic in excusing other dopers who happen to be nice guys to focus on smashing lance.

I've said it before... I'll be very annoyed if the end result of this is to destroy a bunch of US cyclists but guys like Valverde or Contador get to keep riding. Doping is prevalent, and I'll be okay with this if the whole lot of them get smashed by it... but not of only the guys from my country go down but all the others get a free pass.

I'm nationalistic enough to like to see US riders do well. If this gets pursued and Contador is still riding... I'm going to be a bit annoyed.

I never said it was logical. But it's part of human nature. I don't see this is as an American vs the world type of thing.

My thoughts on doping are that they are very likely all doing it in the European protour. there have been enough people who went to Europe as juniors or development squads and came back because doping was not an option, it was required.

I think the 'Fall of Lance' may actually be secondary to the UCI essentially 'selling the right to dope' to teams that could afford it which essentially put poorer teams at a huge disadvantage.

If true, the allegations make world wide wrestling look pretty tame because at least wrestling doesn't try and portray the outcome as the result of competition.

Remember Milli Vanilli? The fact that some songs were not sung by the act was a known fact, but the crud didn't hit the fan until they won the grammy for it. Lance is parlaying it into an empire built on lies, fraud, deceit, bullying and several other disgusting traits. I understand your reaction to the fact that others do it and are not reacted to like Lance, but really when it comes to being a dikc, are they anywhere close to him?

I am not arguing it's rational, (because it's not) I am just telling you why it is.

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

I know a lot of occasional posters love to come along and defend lance for one or two posts, noting how "he has never tested positive" or "he has done so much good for cancer", or "dont you have anything better to do with your time, why dont you ride your bike".

Sadly enough I do have better things to do with my time. OK, maybe not better, but sadly, more important for the time being.

But I have to admit im a fan of those who have the patience and time to give a troll a good intellectual bashing. Also, even though a lot of talk about doping is often one dimensional speculation largely focused on lance (i'm keen for some juicy facts on contadoper some time as opposed to the simeoni story again), I am actually ok with that. Because from time to time, some really good opinions are voiced, and information is bounced around that simply doesnt make it to the front page of cyclingnews. I like that a lot.

So thanks for providing a good read. Its really helping me procrastinate from the important study I need to do before exams. If anyone had some good posts on the detailed physiology of doping im keen to hear it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

from CW:

did you know that Pat McQuaid's son, Andrew, runs a company called Azzurri Sports Management, which acts as an agent for several riders, notably Nicolas Roche, Daniel Martin and Philip Deignan. While there is absolutely no suggestion that anything improper has ever taken place, the UCI must surely acknowledge that a conflict of interest exists. Andrew McQuaid was Tweeting from the Radioshack team car during the Tour of California.

Ooooo .... I would say Pats brother Darach McQuaid (organiser of the Tour of Ireland) was jealous - as he was at the ToC last year right at the same time the Global Cancer Summit switched from Paris to Dublin - the day after the Tour of Ireland ended.

What is the name of the sunglasses supplier that Pats nephew got a nice plumb job in -jokley or something.

And didn't Stephan Roche just get a position on the ProTour Council?

 

[buckwheat]

I know a lot of occasional posters love to come along and defend lance for one or two posts, noting how "he has never tested positive" or "he has done so much good for cancer", or "dont you have anything better to do with your time, why dont you ride your bike".

Sadly enough I do have better things to do with my time. OK, maybe not better, but sadly, more important for the time being.

But I have to admit im a fan of those who have the patience and time to give a troll a good intellectual bashing. Also, even though a lot of talk about doping is often one dimensional speculation largely focused on lance (i'm keen for some juicy facts on contadoper some time as opposed to the simeoni story again), I am actually ok with that. Because from time to time, some really good opinions are voiced, and information is bounced around that simply doesnt make it to the front page of cyclingnews. I like that a lot.

So thanks for providing a good read. Its really helping me procrastinate from the important study I need to do before exams. If anyone had some good posts on the detailed physiology of doping im keen to hear it.

Hello fellow procrastinator,

I'm better at it than you.

Funny how Lance (and his fans) was always talking about how he was smarter than Contador. If he was smart, he would have stayed retired. He made himself a big target by coming back and talking smack about how the 2008 TdF was so slow and how he'd crush the contenders in that race.

Contador is laying low. Smart move.

Now get to the studying and I'm out too. (We'll see how long that lasts)

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

Now get to the studying and I'm out too. (We'll see how long that lasts)

I just dont seem to understand why, but following this forum from afar is actually more entertaining than studying female genitals. (although i am connected to the internet, this is actually studying anatomy).

As for contador, I think the major point here comes right back to Lance and why we love to hate him. Arrogance. The guy is a ***... and then a nice guy. I mean, Ricky Gervais didnt come close to creating such a brilliant character with such a strong case of cranio-rectal inversion when writing The Office and putting in David Brent.

Speaking of which, Matt Damon (yes i said it with a *** voice in my head), could probably star in a great TV show full of dry witt if he is keen to play Lance.

Bertie will likely stay free because he is humble enough to realise that he isnt bigger than the sport. I dont think lance ever understood that. That is why he is pursued.

I always remember one thing that the uniballer noted about drugs when he said something along the lines of "after all the drugs in my cancer treatment, why would i put something bad into my body", and the answer is fairly simple. He thinks he was big enough to beat it once, so he can do whatever he likes.

 

[BroDeal]

ON the whole, it would have been easier to close or delete this thread.

Whenever someone wants to report a problem, by the way, please send me a PM or an email. I see those a lot sooner than finding a problem when I read threads.

Susan

Is that preferred to using the "report" link?

 

[buckwheat]

I just dont seem to understand why, but following this forum from afar is actually more entertaining than studying female genitals. (although i am connected to the internet, this is actually studying anatomy).

As for contador, I think the major point here comes right back to Lance and why we love to hate him. Arrogance. The guy is a ***... and then a nice guy. I mean, Ricky Gervais didnt come close to creating such a brilliant character with such a strong case of cranio-rectal inversion when writing The Office and putting in David Brent.

Speaking of which, Matt Damon (yes i said it with a *** voice in my head), could probably star in a great TV show full of dry witt if he is keen to play Lance.

Bertie will likely stay free because he is humble enough to realise that he isnt bigger than the sport. I dont think lance ever understood that. That is why he is pursued.

I always remember one thing that the uniballer noted about drugs when he said something along the lines of "after all the drugs in my cancer treatment, why would i put something bad into my body", and the answer is fairly simple. He thinks he was big enough to beat it once, so he can do whatever he likes.

I think the judicious use of drugs during his cancer treatment showed him that PED's would work if used judiciously.

Remember when he considered going to a doctor at MD Anderson who said he'd bombard LA's cancer with so much chemo that he'd nearly kill him and then bring him back. LA said in INATBike that normally he would have gone in for the overkill regimen but thought better of it and went to Indiana.

I think he learned the same lesson with PED's. At first he just took tons of the $hit. Then he bought into Ferrari's judicious use of the stuff and we're at this point in time after 7 wins and a 3rd.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Is that preferred to using the "report" link?

Yes, for some reason I don't get those messages at all. Some of the other mods do, though.

Susan

 

[Tangled Tango]

What struck me the most was this paragraph:



I can't recall seeing that ever in a major publication. Usually LA has "never tested positive". This seems to be a major change in tone -- that "later produced a note" should almost have a next to it.

The full story about this is in "From Lance to Landis". After repeatedly stating that he did not have, need or require the a note for anything(which a large portion of the peloton have), Lance when told he had tested positive, conferred with Johan, their doctors, lawyers ect. and came up with the saddle sore cream and the note correctly backdated. The UCI let the matter go at that. No special treatment?

It´s amazing this is coming out now.

 

[Berzin]

This changes everything. As the article states, most investigations focus on the PED distribution rings. An athlete can get off scot-free if he or she gives testimony against their suppliers. Of course, the athlete must confess and be publicly disgraced, but they avoid prison, which is a big incentive to confess.

In this case, if the article is correct, LA is being looked at as one of the leaders of a conspiracy to commit fraud. That means instead of pressuring LA to turn on his suppliers, the feds will be pressuring LA's ex-domestiques to turn on LA. His former domestiques can be threatened with obstruction of justice charges if they refuse to testify against their former leader. Sometimes this doesn't work. For example, Barry Bonds' former trainer has done a lot of time in prison for refusing to testify against Bonds.

Will LA's domestiques also do jail time to protect LA? For example, what will Hincapie do if the feds come knocking on his door asking for details? What will Tyler do? What would the likes of Beltran and Heras do? Will the cycling omerta survive the assault of the US federal government?

Gentlemen-everyone seems to be getting very excited, but until those five magic words come together sometime soon, none of these conspiracy theories have the remotest chance of being realized. The five magic words are...

Tyler-Hamilton-Cooperates-With-Feds.

To me, he is the key figure here because he's already disgraced (more than once) doesn't owe his current job to anyone involved so there is no need to protect anyone, and his life couldn't get any worse. He could tell us all about that mafia that exists in cycling, and he was there during Armstrong's first couple of wins, so we can get the story from the beginning. The lineage can then be past on to whatever Floyd Landis has to say.

And if you bring in Jonathan Vaughters, well then it's over for Lance. "NO MORE ULTRA LIFE FOR YOU!!!"

Ooooo .... I would say Pats brother Darach McQuaid (organiser of the Tour of Ireland) was jealous - as he was at the ToC last year right at the same time the Global Cancer Summit switched from Paris to Dublin - the day after the Tour of Ireland ended.

What is the name of the sunglasses supplier that Pats nephew got a nice plumb job in -jokley or something.

And didn't Stephan Roche just get a position on the ProTour Council?

This type of inbreeding is what's killing cycling. The only way to make it stop is to show that they are incompetent at policing themselves.

Where's Serpico when you need him?

 

[alberto.legstrong]

I just dont seem to understand why, but following this forum from afar is actually more entertaining than studying female genitals. (although i am connected to the internet, this is actually studying anatomy).

Listen, Pal, I don't know who you are or what stunt you are trying to pull, but that type of blasphemy cannot be allowed to stand without a response.