Nys guys finish first - Thibau, second of his name, Coronation Thread

[yaco]

The bigger picture is that if Trek take Nys to the TDF, you would think that Pedersen will move teams.

 

[Berniece]

This kid is good. I think he should do training rides in Pais Vasco to be prepared and fresh for Ardennes. I'm curious to see if he can race RVV one day.

Easily, but he doesn’t at the moment because it doesn’t fit with his CX schedule

 

[Red Rick]

The bigger picture is that if Trek take Nys to the TDF, you would think that Pedersen will move teams.

This doesn't make any sense. Nothing that Nys does overlaps with Pedersen.

 

[rghysens]

This doesn't make any sense. Nothing that Nys does overlaps with Pedersen.

It will depend on how important the tour is for Pedersen. Nothing that Pedersen can do in the tour can be done better by Nys (punchy finishes) or Milan (flat stages).
I thought it was already certain that Nys would go to the tour (given the 5 puncheur stages in the first 2 weeks), unless he would really suck in the coming races.

 

[AlfaLum]

Pedersen is best on sprints with slightly uphill finishes. Nys is a puncheur who is better on steeper gradients.

 

[KZD]

It will depend on how important the tour is for Pedersen. Nothing that Pedersen can do in the tour can be done better by Nys (punchy finishes) or Milan (flat stages).
I thought it was already certain that Nys would go to the tour (given the 5 puncheur stages in the first 2 weeks), unless he would really suck in the coming races.

To me its pretty clear that Milan is a better flat sprinter than Pedersen. He is one of the three best in the world, the watts that he produces are much higher than what Pedersen can produce. Its more difficult to argue that Nys is better than Perdersen in punchy finishes but above on finishes above 5-6% I would pick Nys because he is lighter and has a great kick. Pedersen's main advantage when compared to those two its his versatility, he is a bit like a poor man's WVA from 2021-2022.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Pedersen is already out of the Tour team for this year and we don't know whether he's even going to ride for the team next season.

 

[Netserk]

The bigger picture is that if Trek take Nys to the TDF, you would think that Pedersen will move teams.

Nys or no Nys, Pedersen has already been told that he won't ride the Tour with Milan this year. He'll do the Giro and Vuelta instead.

 

[yaco]

Nys or no Nys, Pedersen has already been told that he won't ride the Tour with Milan this year. He'll do the Giro and Vuelta instead.

I am fully aware of Pedersen's schedule for 2025. You join the dots and if Nys goes to the TDF with Milan, there is no place for Pedersen in the future. And Pedersen will be coveted by many teams.

 

[Netserk]

I am fully aware of Pedersen's schedule for 2025. You join the dots and if Nys goes to the TDF with Milan, there is no place for Pedersen in the future. And Pedersen will be coveted by many teams.

In the only stages where they both are competitive, they don't conflict. Nys can attack, Pedersen go for the sprint.

That the team wants Milan to sprint without Pedersen there is what actually matters.

 

[kingjr]

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else who really doesn't like either of the two Nys? In terms of personality, not because of who they are/were as riders.

 

[yaco]

In the only stages where they both are competitive, they don't conflict. Nys can attack, Pedersen go for the sprint.

That the team wants Milan to sprint without Pedersen there is what actually matters.

My post is about Pederson leaving the team which is a strong possibility because his future opportunities to ride the TDF will be limited. Nothing more or nothing less.

 

[Netserk]

My post is about Pederson leaving the team which is a strong possibility because his future opportunities to ride the TDF will be limited. Nothing more or nothing less.

You made it conditional on Nys going to the Tour. I don't think his future opportunities in the Tour at all depend on Nys.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else who really doesn't like either of the two Nys? In terms of personality, not because of who they are/were as riders.

If you dislike both, it's probably you that's the issue, because they are wildly different riders and personalities.

 

[kingjr]

If you dislike both, it's probably you that's the issue, because they are wildly different riders and personalities.

Do you dislike one of the two?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Do you dislike one of the two?

No. I grew up in Rotselaar which is basically walking distance from Baal, so that automatically plays into it. I was a fan of Nys Sr but I always felt karma hit him hard after he sold out his nation for his brand team. He was a dominant rider for roughly 15 years so only 2 WC titles is a meager result.

His son is a lot less dominant in the field for now (though his older competitors are on a different level compared to the competition his father had to face) but on the road he is turning into a little phenom. He's much more brash, outspoken, ambitious... But other than the name, not a lot of similarities, completely different athlete/personality. Of course if you disliked Sven, maybe you dislike his son for... being his son.

 

[fox]

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone else who really doesn't like either of the two Nys? In terms of personality, not because of who they are/were as riders.

I don't know them on a personal level, so I can't tell a lot about their personality. You know them well?

 

[KenFiamingo]

While I'm on the hype train of road racing Nys, I have a hard time entering the Flèche Wallonne wagon.

Yes, the guys has already shown dominance on uphill sprint finishes, still, my brain doesn't manage to picture him next to the hyper specialists of the Mûr like Valverde or Alaphilippe.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

While I'm on the hype train of road racing Nys, I have a hard time entering the Flèche Wallonne wagon.

Yes, the guys has already shown dominance on uphill sprint finishes, still, my brain doesn't manage to picture him next to the hyper specialists of the Mûr like Valverde or Alaphilippe.

This generation doesn't have a prime Valverde or Alaphilippe. Maybe Roglic could have filled that void, but for reasons beyond human comprehension he hasn't raced here since his second place in 2021. Even for Pogacar I think this race is below average in terms of how well it suits him. So the bar here is unusually low compared to other races in this era, and Nys has been showing signs of the ability to clear it.

 

[Netserk]

for reasons beyond human comprehension he hasn't raced here since his second place in 2021

Twice injured, twice on altitude camp between Catalunya and the Giro. But FW in itself is so important that it should trump that?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Twice injured, twice on altitude camp between Catalunya and the Giro. But FW in itself is so important that it should trump that?

He wasn't scheduled to do it last year even before his injury.

Also, Ardennes + Giro is perfectly doable. Nibali usually did Liège whenever he was doing the Giro, for example.

 

[Netserk]

He wasn't scheduled to do it last year even before his injury.

Yes, he was. Which is why they announced a week after his crash that he wouldn't ride the Ardennes, but recover and train instead.

Roglic is the only one of the favorites involved in accidents who is already thinking about the Tour

Primoz Roglic decides to skip the Ardennes classics to fully recover from his injuries and face the preparation for the Tour with guarantees.

en.brujulabike.com

However, a couple of days ago, Primoz Roglic announced that he was back to training normally, which clearly seemed to indicate that the Bora-Hansgrohe cyclist would stick to his initially planned race program, which included participating in the Fleche Wallonne and Liege-Bastogne-Liege.

But Bora-Hansgrohe has preferred not to take any risks and let Primoz Roglic fully recover from his injuries, move forward the planned short break after the Ardennes, and start the specific preparation for the Tour de France as soon as possible.

Also, Ardennes + Giro is perfectly doable. Nibali usually did Liège whenever he was doing the Giro, for example.

Doable, possible? Sure. And yet an anonymous Hindley was the only Giro winner to ride Flèche since Hesjedal.

Liège is actually important, Flèche is not. So when you only stand a chance in the latter, the trade-off isn't worth it.

 

[kingjr]

I don't know them on a personal level, so I can't tell a lot about their personality. You know them well?

No, this is just based on vibes. I wouldn't even mention it normally, but this time I was curious if there's anything to it, i.e. if there's anyone else who feels that way.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Doable, possible? Sure. And yet an anonymous Hindley was the only Giro winner to ride Flèche since Hesjedal.

Liège is actually important, Flèche is not. So when you only stand a chance in the latter, the trade-off isn't worth it.

How many Giro winners post-Hesjedal other than Roglic have even remotely had a shot at Flèche?

And how does Roglic not even stand a chance at Liège when he won it the second-last time he rode it? Sure, he wouldn't be the favourite, but you make it sound like he's some no-hoper there...

 

[Netserk]

How many Giro winners post-Hesjedal other than Roglic have even remotely had a shot at Flèche?

And how does Roglic not even stand a chance at Liège when he won it the second-last time he rode it? Sure, he wouldn't be the favourite, but you make it sound like he's some no-hoper there...

Last year's winner to start with.