Official Alberto Contador hearing thread

[Cimber]

One thing the ban will do is riders that will stop watching and waiting till Contador makes his move..

It wont stop Andy to find someone else to watch

 

[Cimber]

Yeah, brilliant that. I seem to remember Flandis having huge losses one day, and then running away from the peleton the next day.



I don't know that the CAS decision will clear up the matter of whether he doped or not.

Oh so cos Landis fought back the next day, all who do are dopers? Well, I reckon we can cut down on the doping tests then, just ban everyone who fight back after a crack. Well at least your logic is very simplistic and straightforward.

regarding CAS that is exactly my point. Haters wont accept the decision if he is cleared and ultra fanboys wont accept the verdict if he is banned. I just in the middle I reckon, so I am not that emotionally biased and, hence, I for one will accept CAS's verdict, whatever it will be. That said the Tour will be less interesting without him, but if he doped he deserves to be banned. But as said I will leave the proper agencies to make the call on that. Neither u ore me are qualified or know enough details in this case to make that call. U can have a gut feeling and a wish all u want, but dont present that as a fact.

 

[doolols]

U can have a gut feeling and a wish all u want, but dont present that as a fact.

Which is why I didn't

 

[Fidolix]

This thread is awesome!!!

 

[Cloxxki]

It had not occured to me before, or I forgot.
Berti is the umpteenth ex-teammate to get caught. Makes me look at the clen positive and odd initial UCI press delays in a whole new light...

 

[doolols]

Berti is the umpteenth ex-teammate to get caught. Makes me look at the clen positive and odd initial UCI press delays in a whole new light...

If you look at Bertie's history - in the early 2000s, he won odd stages here and there in smaller races. In 2005, he finished 31st in the TdF. In 2006, He joins Astana, and doesn't do much. In 2007, he joins Discovery - and BAM! Wins TdF, Castilla y Leon, Paris-Nice. Then, back to Astana for 2008-2010, and the winning continues ...

 

[Ferminal]

If you look at Bertie's history - in the early 2000s, he won odd stages here and there in smaller races. In 2005, he finished 31st in the TdF. In 2006, He joins Astana, and doesn't do much. In 2007, he joins Discovery - and BAM! Wins TdF, Castilla y Leon, Paris-Nice. Then, back to Astana for 2008-2010, and the winning continues ...

2003-2006 was all the same team.

 

[doolols]

2003-2006 was all the same team.

And of course, he was involved in the Astana banning at the TdF in 2006, and there were a number of links to Operation Puerto and Fuentes. So, somehow, he's been 'there or thereabouts' for a number of years.

 

[Siriuscat]

If you look at Bertie's history - in the early 2000s, he won odd stages here and there in smaller races. In 2005, he finished 31st in the TdF. In 2006, He joins Astana, and doesn't do much. In 2007, he joins Discovery - and BAM! Wins TdF, Castilla y Leon, Paris-Nice. Then, back to Astana for 2008-2010, and the winning continues ...

In 2000 he was 18 years old...winning bits and pieces, in 05 hes 21 and maturing and winning...06 and 07 he's starting to hit his peak years and still winning...

haterz gonna hate.....

 

[Havetts]

In 2000 he was 18 years old...winning bits and pieces, in 05 hes 21 and maturing and winning...06 and 07 he's starting to hit his peak years and still winning...

haterz gonna hate.....

2000 - 18 years
2005 - 21 years

Wat?


Anyway, in 2006 he doesnt do much and 2007 with Postal he wins the Tour. You'd wonder what JB threw in him from to start and then after he'd possibly use more or even of higher standard.. *puke*

 

[Ferminal]

And of course, he was involved in the Astana banning at the TdF in 2006, and there were a number of links to Operation Puerto and Fuentes. So, somehow, he's been 'there or thereabouts' for a number of years.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, if you took a poll I'm sure 95% of people reading this thread thinks Contador dopes or has doped, but none of this is relevant to the CAS decision.

 

[GJB123]

the was clear to everybody but you probably.

Putting a winky smiley with every stupid regurgitation of the bribery-fairy tale doesn't make it less irritating. A number of people have now asked politely and less politely to stop flogging that dead horse, but that seems to be totally lost on you.

Oh yeah, , and all that!

Regards
GJ

 

[Siriuscat]

2000 - 18 years
2005 - 21 years

Wat?


Anyway, in 2006 he doesnt do much and 2007 with Postal he wins the Tour. You'd wonder what JB threw in him from to start and then after he'd possibly use more or even of higher standard.. *puke*

Brain fade....been a long day so far!!

 

[sniper]

Putting a winky smiley with every stupid regurgitation of the bribery-fairy tale doesn't make it less irritating. A number of people have now asked politely and less politely to stop flogging that dead horse, but that seems to be totally lost on you.

Oh yeah, , and all that!

Regards
GJ

the angry bird suits you well.

dude, in good ol' dutch: ga poepen

 

[Havetts]

Brain fade....been a long day so far!!

I know the feelings! Eventhough I'm awake for 50 minutes .

But yes.. In that post I stated a few reasons why I dislike Alberto.

 

[GJB123]

2000 - 18 years
2005 - 21 years

Wat?


Anyway, in 2006 he doesnt do much and 2007 with Postal he wins the Tour. You'd wonder what JB threw in him from to start and then after he'd possibly use more or even of higher standard.. *puke*

You should also take into account the time he has been out with the serious the brain haemorhage he suffered. Not mucch cycling and winning to do if you are in hospital, now is there?

Regards
GJ

 

[GJB123]

the angry bird suits you well.

dude, in good ol' dutch: ga poepen

Very grown-up comeback! My compliments! Then again it ties in very well with the chlidish believe in fairy tales, I guess.

Regards
GJ

 

[Havetts]

You should also take into account the time he has been out with the serious the brain haemorhage he suffered. Not mucch cycling and winning to do if you are in hospital, now is there?

Regards
GJ

Winning on the brain hemorrhage was in 2004. From winning 1 stage in Tour de Suisse and to be 2nd in Romandie in 2006, to winning the Tour in 2007. Ha, you must naive that to believe someone is "clean" after your team has been implicated in Puerto, and your initials are on the list and then joining Discovery with Bruyneel and suddenly become the "Worlds most talented climber" etc. out of f--king nowhere.

 

[airstream]

The bold bit is hilarious.....When did Andy or either member of team Frandy ever involve themselves in an Apocryphal duel with anybody without capitualating shortly afterwards????? Example 1...LBL last year!

If Berto is banned, the racing will deteriorate to a Bruyneel based borefest, a procession exactly the same as it was between 1999 and 2005 because NO-ONE will attack, racing will be a thing of the past. Cycle racing will lose out because the one element that makes racing exciting won't be there. If the doping issues or team Frandy are your priority then you win, those of us interested in racing might as well stop watching for two years!!

For you, initially looking at Andy in a negative way - of course not. It's quite simple for me actually. One part of fans love Contador and the other one love cycling itself. These concepts are partially adjacent, but still very different. Doping hints are ridiculous, considering Contador's lowdown. To stop following cycling for 2 years because of absence of any rider is a blind fanatism. Hopefully no one will deprive itself this way.

 

[Cimber]

Which is why I didn't

The term "you" was used in its general meaning, not you personally (funny how the English language has the same word for both). However, if directed at any1 more than others, sniper comes to mind.

 

[GJB123]

Winning on the brain hemorrhage was in 2004. From winning 1 stage in Tour de Suisse and to be 2nd in Romandie in 2006, to winning the Tour in 2007. Ha, you must naive that to believe someone is "clean" after your team has been implicated in Puerto, and your initials are on the list and then joining Discovery with Bruyneel and suddenly become the "Worlds most talented climber" etc. out of f--king nowhere.

None of which I have denied in my reply. Just pointing out that you did miss something rather relevant to AC's early cycling career.

As a matter of fact, I have followed cycling for longer than I sometimes care to remember (from the mid 70's onwards) and I am well aware of the problem of doping and accept the notion that it is virtually impossible to win a GT or finish high up without being on some sort of program. So I wouldn't call myself naive quickly.

Regards
GJ

 

[Siriuscat]

For you, initially looking at Andy in a negative way - of course not. It's quite simple for me actually. One part of fans love Contador and the other one love cycling itself. These concepts are partially adjacent, but still very different. Doping hints are ridiculous, considering Contador's lowdown. To stop following cycling for 2 years because of absence of any rider is a blind fanatism. Hopefully no one will deprive itself this way.

Actually it's simpler for me Airstream, I've been following cycling consistently since the early 80s, throughout that time I can count on one hand the number of riders I've slavishly followed as greats, Hinault, Pantani, Kelly, Contador, I was even a bit of an Armstrong fan until my reading got the better of me. Each of those riders add a bit of excitement to the sport, they have an unpredictability that creates excitement.

Now as soon as the road goes up no one especially his opponents know what Contador is going to do and that adds that frisson of excitement. When he races he does so to win, that in itself makes it exciting.

It's all the same thing, being a fan of a rider or being a fan of bike racing, my view looking at the rest of the protagonists, is that cycling without Contador will be a less exciting sport to watch.

 

[hrotha]

If you look at Bertie's history - in the early 2000s, he won odd stages here and there in smaller races. In 2005, he finished 31st in the TdF. In 2006, He joins Astana, and doesn't do much. In 2007, he joins Discovery - and BAM! Wins TdF, Castilla y Leon, Paris-Nice. Then, back to Astana for 2008-2010, and the winning continues ...

In the early 2000s, Contador was 18-21 or thereabouts. If you think he didn't do much before 2007, you clearly weren't following cycling too closely.

 

[airstream]

Actually it's simpler for me Airstream, I've been following cycling consistently since the early 80s, throughout that time I can count on one hand the number of riders I've slavishly followed as greats, Hinault, Pantani, Kelly, Contador, I was even a bit of an Armstrong fan until my reading got the better of me. Each of those riders add a bit of excitement to the sport, they have an unpredictability that creates excitement.

Now as soon as the road goes up no one especially his opponents know what Contador is going to do and that adds that frisson of excitement. When he races he does so to win, that in itself makes it exciting.

It's all the same thing, being a fan of a rider or being a fan of bike racing, my view looking at the rest of the protagonists, is that cycling without Contador will be a less exciting sport to watch.

New superstars will appear straight off the ice. It just depends on how to understand excitement. For me, it is a cutthroat competition, a fight for every seconds, with or without Contador secondarily. Honestly I enjoyed the 09 Vuelta much more than the 06,11 Giro. I don't get your point about doping. You criticise potential Schleck's achievements for his work with Bruyneel, but totally justify Contador in the same thing. Where is edge of justice if someone (or they) is allowed to juice up as much as he wants, whereas the others (possibly) are clean. It looks like an attempt to justify only your personal preferences, not doping in cycling.

Do you really think that there won't be beatiful successful attacks if Contador gets ban?

 

[python]

what i got from the latest delay is that had it been 3:0 either way, we'd know it already.