Official "another interesting piece I found on Alberto Contador" Thread

[Grand Tourist]

Tyler's case, which involved a brand new test, was settled in about 8 months. Floyd's case, the science of which was far more complex than that for Bert, was settled in September of the year following his TDF win. Most importantly, neither of them was allowed to ride while it was going on.

The science in Bert's case is unusually simple. Bert has not challenged the finding of CB in his body nor its amount, nor the conclusion that it could not result from meat that passed the inspection standard in Spain. His entire case revolves around the likelihood that the meat he ate could be contaminated above the standard. Leaving aside the enormous evidence against that possibility, it does not take months to develop and defend a position on that question. Nor does it take months and months to address the possibility of transfusion, even setting aside the point that WADA/UCI are not supposed to have to prove that.

If WADA/UCI want more time, I have to believe that is because they expect their decision will have major remifications for how athletes in the future who test positive for CB are treated. I appreciate the delicacy of the situation. They don't want a decision that will open the door to a lot of headaches in resolving future positives. But given the importance of not leaving the sport's biggest star in limbo, I'm racking my brains to come up with a reason why they couldn't settle this sooner. Maybe python or someone else with more inside information will tell us.

+ 1

As he's not contesting that there was a doping violation the legal point is relatively straightforward:

Can Bert on the 'balance of probabilities' show he was 'not at fault or negligent' with respect to 2nd rest day positive test?

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

one of the funniest things i have ever had the pleasure to read. thats pure comedy. ty for the laugh

I really hope you're joking!!

What I've noticed, atleast in the US, is that "cycling's biggest stars" are those that win the Tour. Since Cadel won this year, I'm seeing his face and name in all the cycling related headlines. Here, he actually is the sport's biggest star. I do find it funny though that Phil Ligget commented nobody knows who Cadel Evans is and that most headlines refer to the "Australian" that won the Tour.

 

[Califootman]

The cynic in me thought the previous delay (from June to August) was a ploy by Contador's lawyers to allow him to ride the TdF and then serve any potential suspension in the offseason. With the 5 or so months he was "voluntarily suspended" prior to the RFEC clearing him, a 1- or 2-year ban could be complete sometime in the first months of 2012 or 2013.

Which makes the cynic in me wonder if this WADA-requested delay is in effect their way of saying, "two can play at that game".

Other conspiracy-theorist thoughts:

Putting the hearing off until November puts it at a time when cycling is far more below the radar than immediately following the biggest race on the planet. Wouldn't it be better for the UCI to have their top rider acquitted then, when it will raise less outrage? Kudos to Pat McQ for having WADA request the delay rather than the UCI. The check is in the mail!

Does anyone know if there will be any progress on WADA's side toward setting a Clenbuterol limit in the near future? Not likely, I would think... but if there was going to be a Clen threshold value proposed soon (or even some significant research coming out about the likelihood of Clen contamination in athletes or the public), WADA might want to have that out in the public domain before a ruling is made on this case.

The 99.9% likely reality: Just lawyers seeing a way to charge a lot more billable hours.

 

[sniper]

if we're lucky, the delay is due to the WADA needing more time to perfectionize the plasticizer card.

 

[hfer07]

sh!t- I'm afraid this new delay is to do a "valverde punishment-like" on AC-just buying time to basically get rid of him prior to next year's Tour- this is really BS

 

[Mich78BEL]

If Contador is convicted, will he appeal with the European Courts? I've read something about this.

 

[Grand Tourist]

If Contador is convicted, will he appeal with the European Courts? I've read something about this.

He could in theory appeal to a Swiss Court. Swiss Law is usually the applicable law in CAS cases.

 

[sniper]

nothing new with respect to Contador, except for those who still doubt that clen is used to enhance cycling performance:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/clinger-given-lifetime-ban-for-second-doping-infraction

Clinger “accepted responsibility for using clenbuterol to enhance his performance.”

 

[Benotti69]

nothing new with respect to Contador, except for those who still doubt that clen is used to enhance cycling performance:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/clinger-given-lifetime-ban-for-second-doping-infraction

Amazing he gets a lifetime ban for a second offence (justifiably)and others are still riding, namely Di Luca on his 3rd offence Time to make sports bans compulsory across the world for international professional sports.

 

[sniper]

Floyd expands his accusations against Pepe Marti, says he was one of US Postal's main drug suppliers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.dd0f0b9e2924103cc1d34522a3136c65.101

 

[hrotha]

Floyd expands his accusations against Pepe Marti, says he was one of US Postal's main drug suppliers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.dd0f0b9e2924103cc1d34522a3136c65.101

That's interesting, but it's not new. I wonder why the media didn't pick up on it when he said pretty much the same thing in that long TV interview. Better late than never, I suppose.

 

[hfer07]

That's interesting, but it's not new. I wonder why the media didn't pick up on it when he said pretty much the same thing in that long TV interview. Better late than never, I suppose.

but wasn't he interrogated last year by the Feds & claimed "he never saw anything of that while working for the US Postal?....

 

[auscyclefan94]

Groan, Floyd tell all you know or just **** off. Well either way I would like you to **** off. the stench you are leaving around is similar to a piece of mouldy bread.

 

[sniper]

second post ever after reading the forum for the last few years and one thing i must say, ACF94 is probably the most intelligent poster here, never biased to BMC or Cadel, and never gets worked up over anything.

It seems diggercuz's post was based on false arguments

Groan, Floyd tell all you know or just **** off. Well either way I would like you to **** off. the stench you are leaving around is similar to a piece of mouldy bread.

 

[Benotti69]

Groan, Floyd tell all you know or just **** off. Well either way I would like you to **** off. the stench you are leaving around is similar to a piece of mouldy bread.

if you read the few threads above you would have noted he already mentioned Marti and it is nothing new. Media are dragging it out on slow news days.

How about an update on BMC's Ballan and associated soigneur

 

[Polish]

Floyd expands his accusations against Pepe Marti, says he was one of US Postal's main drug suppliers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.dd0f0b9e2924103cc1d34522a3136c65.101

Interesting that Floyd bought EPO from Pepe.
Probably used his own money?
Seems like riders were on their own to buy the naughty stuff.

Wonder why Pepe decided to stay with Astana instead of joining Radioshack.
Or did Pepe even have a choice in the matter.

 

[auscyclefan94]

It seems diggercuz's post was based on false arguments

That isn't me getting worked up. I am just viewing my opinion using some strong language.

if you read the few threads above you would have noted he already mentioned Marti and it is nothing new. Media are dragging it out on slow news days.

How about an update on BMC's Ballan and associated soigneur

So you have to make a cheap shot about BMC towards me to justify your point?

I heard him say it before all this but it would be nice if he told all he knew then stayed away from the sport. For cycling to move forward poisonous people like him shouls say all they know and then get lost.

 

[sniper]

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I heard him say it before all this but it would be nice if he told all he knew then stayed away from the sport. For cycling to move forward poisonous people like him shouls say all they know and then get lost.

To be sure, Floyd owes the current pro-cycling family very little. So if you're telling Floyd what to do and what not to do in the name of that warm pro-cycling family, Floyd is unlikely to care.

 

[Benotti69]

So you have to make a cheap shot about BMC towards me to justify your point?

aint a cheap shot. BMC/Phonak call it what you want but that leopard aint changed his spots.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/infogenerales.asp/4-3-4704-1092-4-1-1/5-0-1092-15-1-1/

Cas hearing set 21-24 november.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Waking this Thread

You can't make this up.

The guy who supposedly delivered Contador the tainted beef, that became the Clenbuterol positive that disgraced Contador is now the supreme leader of Spain's UCI affiliate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/01/us-cycling-spain-federation-idUSBRE8B00AH20121201

Since when does turning a TdF champion positive get you the Supreme Leader's seat? Something tells me Contador LIED to his fans!!! I'm shocked! SHOCKED!

Pat and Hein once again p!ssing on the remaining fans.

 

[Tinman]

You can't make this up.

The guy who supposedly delivered Contador the tainted beef, that became the Clenbuterol positive that disgraced Contador is now the supreme leader of Spain's UCI affiliate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/01/us-cycling-spain-federation-idUSBRE8B00AH20121201

Since when does turning a TdF champion positive get you the Supreme Leader's seat? Something tells me Contador LIED to his fans!!! I'm shocked! SHOCKED!

Pat and Hein once again p!ssing on the remaining fans.

DW help me out. Cerron is voted in by his national fed members in a vote of 63 vs 52.

How is UCI involved?

And are you saying Contador offered his support for the election of Cerron to the voting reps in return for Cerron's support on the beef supply story?
Sorry for being slow on this, havent followed the thread much.

 

[DirtyWorks]

DW help me out. Cerron is voted in by his national fed members in a vote of 63 vs 52.

How is UCI involved?

The UCI is a couple of things all at the same time. One is a fiefdom that Hein and Pat operate. The other a collection of IOC-blessed federations that feed at the IOC trough. At the national federation level, it's a small community, even across international boundaries.

Basically, Cerron helped Contador with the lie.

If the tainted beef story were really, *actually,* true, Cerron would have been shunned for bringing international doping controversy to the ASO's premier event and destroying the Spanish TdF win. Instead, Cerron got a promotion.

I don't think Pat and Hein are picking federation leaders, but the way they sunset careers suggests they have some input.

 

[Merckx index]

Bert (at 2010 TDF): Jose, I have this premonition that I’m going to test positive for CB. According to my internet research, beef is sometimes contaminated with CB. Could you please get me some beef so that I’ll have a good excuse if I do test positive?

Lopez: Really? I thought everyone had figured out how much they could take and still beat the test, and there was no problem.

Bert: Yeah, but my premonition says the sample will be tested at Cologne, where they have more sensitive equipment. I would just feel more comfortable if I could tell everyone I ate contaminated beef.

Lopez: If you’re going to go to that much trouble, why not eat any ordinary sample of beef, spike it after you eat it, then preserve a sample that you can produce if you test positive?

Bert: I’m not a cheater! I just want to make sure that if I get busted I can tell everyone I ate some beef.

Lopez: OK. I will make sure I not only get a receipt from the shop that sells the beef, but I find out where they obtained the beef from originally.

Bert: Oh, don’t do that! Suppose the beef comes from a place that has never had a problem with CB? We want to be purposely vague about its origin.

Lopez: So all you want me to do is get this beef, period.

Bert: Yeah. It’s the perfect foil. No one in his right mind would suspect us of procuring beef before there was even any positive, just in case there was a positive. Except some of those nuts in the CN Clinic, of course. They will believe anything if it suggests someone is dirty.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Bert (at 2010 TDF): Jose, I have this premonition that I’m going to test positive for CB...

Ugh. Please, you've never worked in Marketing. The script reads:

Contador: Oh Noes! Pat couldn't make the positive go away! I need another plan.

[phone rings] Hola Jose. Si. No esta bien. All that money paid to Hein and they screw up hiding my positive. At least I don't have to listen to the bruja over at ASO complain about their precious race.

That's good idea Jose! We can blame it on the steak. I will tell our lawyer. Tell RFEC that's the plan. Adios, muchas gracias.