Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

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Fidolix said:
And the days he didn´t get his juice, just an average rider.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPabWyUrxTo&feature=related

That is a stupid statement. Those other guys, Ulrich, doped to the gills. So he was the best rider of all the riders if he was clean on that day? Or is this bad just your bad attempt at humour?

Hypocritical these types of statements...wait, wasn't that Vino in the scene also?

If you claim he was drug free, that is still one amazing ride up that mountain, where are all of the other "clean" riders that day if he is just average? Oh wait...20 minutes behind dropped.
 
Zam_Olyas said:
I like to look back at this video from time to time, the beginning with triki and chechu is so amazing lol :p

Oh it was absurd. I remember watching it at the time it was absurd! They even drop Armstrong they were going so fast. Mayo got dropped also at the base of the climb. It did slow a little after Beloki’s attack. What was interesting was it was a watershed moment in Armstrong’s career. Everyone else’s programs were beginning to catch-up. The only thing he could do was use the UCI to slow the others down. That Tour even though it was exciting to watch was full of ridiculous performances. Hamilton’s win defied anything normal even for a full on doper. Eric Zabel at the time was making statements about the ridiculousness of his stage win. Mayo and Zubeldea were even time trialing fairly well also.

Farce farce farce that race. The most not normal of them all!
 
thehog said:
Oh it was absurd. I remember watching it at the time it was absurd! They even drop Armstrong they were going so fast. Mayo got dropped also at the base of the climb. It did slow a little after Beloki’s attack. What was interesting was it was a watershed moment in Armstrong’s career. Everyone else’s programs were beginning to catch-up. The only thing he could do was use the UCI to slow the others down. That Tour even though it was exciting to watch was full of ridiculous performances. Hamilton’s win defied anything normal even for a full on doper. Eric Zabel at the time was making statements about the ridiculousness of his stage win. Mayo and Zubeldea were even time trialing fairly well also.

Farce farce farce that race. The most not normal of them all!

I agree with cha.
 
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Joe Lindsey's has some good insights in his blog titled "After the Fire."

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2012/10/12/after-the-fire/

…."I am ambivalent toward their statements. What, other than the laudable example of racing clean himself, did George Hincapie do to clean up the sport after 2006? That’s a good story and I would like to hear it..."

…."If we don’t examine the USADA report and apply its lessons to the whole of pro cycling, then we will get the kind of sport we deserve. And in 10 or 20 years, we’ll wring our hands over another damning report and wonder what could’ve been different.
We are better than this..."

…."There is the cliche that the sport is bigger than any one man. The USADA report made clear that the problem wasn’t, however, just one man, but many. And still, the sport is bigger than all of them..."

Some of my own thoughts; I would like to state that the intimidation dealt out by Lance Armstrong is disturbing. His anger at betrayal is understandable. While out and out aggression may have its place under the fair rules of sport and in the turning of the cranks, it is never acceptable anywhere or anytime outside of the rules of sport.

That said, I am also ambivalent about people waging a campaign that protects a gaggle of the guilty and isolates one man as a specific target as does the de facto "plea bargain." It also smacks more of personal aggression and is nothing but false piety spark by what? Personal dislike and jealousy? At someone amassing a fortune out of tainted success, but a success that many on USPS where equally guilty in playing a part of? Why wait ten years to step forward and blow the whistle?

Was Programme here before and up to 1996? Why stop the questioning at what only incriminates Armstrong, Bruyneel and Europe?

VeloNews today has called Spain the "Center of the Underworld" in headline over another USADA report story.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...f-operations-in-armstrongs-doping-ring_261622

I never new PEDS were exclusive to Europe. The whole truth and nothing but the truth? I doubt it, but it's nice to keep things offshore like all our economic woes all originate in Europe over worries about Greece and again Spain.

This looks more and more like personal vendetta or payback sparked and jealousy much less than a true quest to clean up the sport. And now write it off as a European problem and forget all about that plea deal. Just tie up the loose ends...

It is the unfortunate nature sport and particularly cycling that a supper star can arise form the efforts of those who are paid far less and gain little for their endeavor. The magnitude of that sets in over time. Armstrong seems to have been unable to understand that it alienated him further and further from his former teammates and co-conspirators as the UCI tried to reign control back in by not granting the favor he obtained.

Coming back into the sport was the undoing and showed that he had lost touch with the reality of the changing tides around him.

But Armstrong is one among a cast characters who knew exactly what it was they were doing, and I am not surprise Armstrong and maybe Floyd Landis will or have paid the heaviest price in the end.

Take that as a class statement form this side of the Alantic.

I hope Joe Lindsey is right about finding closure and rebirth, but things will get out of hand if the finger pointing continues. I doubt Spring will ever look the same again for a long time.
 
IOC official calls for Armstrong confession — The Washington Post
The vice president of the International Olympic Committee has called for Lance Armstrong to confess to doping and has confirmed that the IOC would await the UCI’s ruling on the Armstrong doping case before making a move on Armstrong’s 2000 time trial bronze medal.

“It would be in the interest of sport and in his own interest,” Bach said of an Armstrong confession in an interview with the Associated Press. “It would help cleaning up, and also it would help in drawing the right conclusions for the future to prevent something like this would ever happen again.”
 
hrotha said:
Lance awareness.

Lancer awareness ;)

BillytheKid said:
[...]
That said, I am also ambivalent about people waging a campaign that protects a gaggle of the guilty and isolates one man as a specific target as does the de facto "plea bargain." It also smacks more of personal aggression and is nothing but false piety spark by what? Personal dislike and jealousy? At someone amassing a fortune out of tainted success, but a success that many on USPS where equally guilty in playing a part of? Why wait ten years to step forward and blow the whistle?

Was Programme here before and up to 1996? Why stop the questioning at what only incriminates Armstrong, Bruyneel and Europe?

[...]

Armstrong was offered the same opportunity to testify. It's all falling on him b/c (1) he's kinda the ringleader, and (2) he's one of the only cyclists who USADA has jurisdiction over and who refused to come clean. My understanding is that he coulda gotten the same "plea bargain" as everyone else, but he chose not to.

He's not the target, really, he's just the only one fool enough to insist on standing in the shooting range.
 
thehog said:
http://www.standupforlance.com/

Why donate? I’m confused. Where’s the money going? :confused:

Paid for by the Restore America's Voice Foundation: http://reporting.sunlightfoundation...mmittee/restore-americas-voice-pac/C00489807/

Hardcore conservative super PAC. Here's where the money is likely really going:

Negative: 100% Opposes Democrats: $1,489,335.78 Opposes Republicans: $0.00
Positive: 0% Supports Democrats: $0.00 Supports Republicans: $0.00

No mention of Armstrong that I can see in their expenditures. Is this some kind of weird meta-scam? Are they duping Armstrong idiots--I mean, supporters and using the money to attack the Democrats? :confused:
 
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luckyboy said:
Still mindblowing how Hamilton was doing that with a broken collarbone, trapped nerve in his back and grinding his teeth down.

Hamilton didn't have a broken shoulder. He had a very small hairline facture where there was no movement. He wouldn't have been able to continue with a broken shoulder! It was made bigger to build a myth, fashionable at that time, myth making ;)
 
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hrotha said:
Lance awareness.

Sucker awareness.

If this bothers you, it's the wrong emotion, it's time to chuckle. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and we're watching a 2000 year old sequoia come down. It could take a while.
 

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zigmeister said:
That is a stupid statement. Those other guys, Ulrich, doped to the gills. So he was the best rider of all the riders if he was clean on that day? Or is this bad just your bad attempt at humour?

Hypocritical these types of statements...wait, wasn't that Vino in the scene also?

If you claim he was drug free, that is still one amazing ride up that mountain, where are all of the other "clean" riders that day if he is just average? Oh wait...20 minutes behind dropped.

wait.... if ulrich was riding clean... and dropped dopestrong like a stone... but I guess your argument is Ulrich wasn´t clean...because how else could he drop your hero, nobody drops dopestrong riding clean.
I guess your logic is just as hillarious as your post in the first place.
 
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mr. tibbs said:
Paid for by the Restore America's Voice Foundation: http://reporting.sunlightfoundation...mmittee/restore-americas-voice-pac/C00489807/

Hardcore conservative super PAC. Here's where the money is likely really going:

Negative: 100% Opposes Democrats: $1,489,335.78 Opposes Republicans: $0.00
Positive: 0% Supports Democrats: $0.00 Supports Republicans: $0.00

No mention of Armstrong that I can see in their expenditures. Is this some kind of weird meta-scam? Are they duping Armstrong idiots--I mean, supporters and using the money to attack the Democrats? :confused:

Yeah, pretty weird. I'd be surprised if Lance knows about this. Note that most of their expenditures are for "Telemarking Fundraiser". Robocalls. Raising funds to raise funds.

In the small print on the donation page, it says to Confirm
I am a United States citizen, or a Green Card Holder who has been lawfully admitted for permanent residence and this contribution will not be reimbursed by another person.

Sounds like the money will be going to the SuperPAC.

“No, no, I'm absolutley not afraid!”