MarkvW said:
When he says he was experimenting, maybe he tried it, but didn't inhale.....
4 years of EPO use, with almost no results, would make me want to retire.
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When he says he was experimenting, maybe he tried it, but didn't inhale.....
4 years of EPO use, with almost no results, would make me want to retire.
andy1234 said:
And we know that Lance and Johan were utterly ruthless when it came to rider salaries.
MarkvW said:
If only they had met Frankie and Floyds salary demands.
Armstrong would be on his 14th Tour win by now, and Betsy would be driving the team car.
andy1234 said:
I agree with respect to Floyd, but the Frankie situation was different (and you know it).
red_flanders said:
Well Big George has always been that kind of guy to the general public right?
Three years ago would you have believed that he was doping with Lance? I mean..he is such a 'nice guy' how could he possibly be lying or have an agenda?
MarkvW said:
I know, but I wonder how that situation would have panned out, if Frankie was simply paid what he wanted?
Who pressured poor old "Deer-in-the-headlights, Babe-in-the-woods" Hincapie to dope when he was riding as a young amateur in Central Park, receiving B-12, testosterone and cortisone shots from family members who muled the stuff from Colombia?
What a liar. He acts as if no one knew what he was up to back in the days before he ever signed a contract with Motorola.
What a liar. He acts as if no one knew what he was up to back in the days before he ever signed a contract with Motorola.
Berzin said:
What's your source for the facts you assert in that question? I'd like to read about Hincapie's earlier doping.
Granville57 said:
Pretty clear someone is lying. Either Tyler/Frankie or Lance/George.
I like Frankie's credibility
In the overall scheme of things, a debate over which doper is lying just highlights the dysfunction and filth of professional cycling.
This stuff is way better than soap opera!
This stuff is way better than soap opera!
Race Radio said:
They are all lying. It's just about different things at different times, depending which side of the fence they are on. It has f**k all to do with right or wrong, it has everything to do with winning.
It's a b**ch fight, and only a fool would choose to support either side.
mewmewmew13 said:
Are you kidding? I watched him at the front in classics then driving the Postal bus up every col in France in the summer for the best part of a decade. There was no question then he was doping, just as there was no question Armstrong was doping, just as there was no question just about everyone at the front of every race was doping.
That it took the USADA report to finally convince people has been one of the more amazing insights into the blinders people will put on for their heroes that I've witnessed in my life.
Doesn't mean I think every utterance from him is a mistruth.
MarkvW said:
don't trust anybody
in my own eyes, if is someone who fall more than lance after all this stories, it's the andreus and their ruined by lance life
jens_attacks said:
How were the Andreus "ruined." They're kicked out of professional cycling, sure. But since when is being out of professional cycling a bad thing?
man read it again. i forget the " " on ruined
they complain they got kicked out of the fuccin mob
they complain they got kicked out of the fuccin mob
I really don't get the fascination Hincapie has for backing Lance still? Some folks(even some here possibly), still worship @ the altar of Hincapie/Wonderboy, even knowing all we do now. I've read both articles you guys posted, and it seems to me, it's nothing more than damage control by George/Lance to try to save face, or make him/themselves look less like a ****** bag to the public.
He's(Hincapie) ALMOST as big of a POS as Wonderboy is, but for whatever reasons, people STILL hang on his word. NOTHING that comes out of his, or Wonderboys mouth is even remotely truthful IMO. How anyone even finds either interesting enough to interview, or believe anything either says, is just lost on me.
The fact that he's coming out with a book is comical too. All he's done in that article(and articles in the past) is just say something to cause minimal damage to himself.
Hincapie was @ Velo Pasadena last month I think, and I was given an invite....I declined, because I'm not one for meeting a doper, and someone who's helped cheapen the image and disrespect the sport I've loved for over 20+ years, simply to promote their own agenda, or benefit themselves.
Just my opinion.
He's(Hincapie) ALMOST as big of a POS as Wonderboy is, but for whatever reasons, people STILL hang on his word. NOTHING that comes out of his, or Wonderboys mouth is even remotely truthful IMO. How anyone even finds either interesting enough to interview, or believe anything either says, is just lost on me.
The fact that he's coming out with a book is comical too. All he's done in that article(and articles in the past) is just say something to cause minimal damage to himself.
Hincapie was @ Velo Pasadena last month I think, and I was given an invite....I declined, because I'm not one for meeting a doper, and someone who's helped cheapen the image and disrespect the sport I've loved for over 20+ years, simply to promote their own agenda, or benefit themselves.
Just my opinion.
86TDFWinner said:
but Big George says in the USADA RD hes being riding clean for a number of years. Surely noone would lie about something like this.......
MarkvW said:
I am writing this with no caustic intent.
Maybe it's bad to be out when you love what you do, regardless of what that is. Nobody is entitled to any profession, but what if Frankie absolutely loves cycling as a sport and profession? If you were denied doing what you love because you did something to someone who then made it exceedingly difficult to continue to pursue what you love to do, would you not feel a loss?
86TDFWinner said:
Maybe part of it is that Hincapie strongly wants to remain a player in US professional cycling and he thinks that a solid demonstration of omerta will let everybody else know that he is a guy that ought to be trusted. His declaration kind of undercuts that argument, though.
This is kinda sad to me because I remember when Frankie spent some time here when Hincapie lived here. I never rode with them, but I they came into the shop I used to work in a couple of times. They seemed pretty close.
I've always had a really hard time hating on Hincapie because he always seemed really cool, and the list of stories of people he helped and did cool little things for when he lived here is long. A really good friend of mine who managed the shop I worked in went to one of the early 2000's tours, and Hincapie saw him and waived him over. For the next couple of days, he got them into the rider's village before the stage, and all other kinds of perks and he didn't even know him that well.
This does however have a flavor of vindictiveness...
I've always had a really hard time hating on Hincapie because he always seemed really cool, and the list of stories of people he helped and did cool little things for when he lived here is long. A really good friend of mine who managed the shop I worked in went to one of the early 2000's tours, and Hincapie saw him and waived him over. For the next couple of days, he got them into the rider's village before the stage, and all other kinds of perks and he didn't even know him that well.
This does however have a flavor of vindictiveness...
This place is like listening to Al Sharpton, who sees racism everywhere. Only here everything that is said is an attack on the Andreus with Armstrong in the background pulling the strings.
People have different perspectives, especially for events that happened twenty years ago. Who is to say that this is not just how Hincapie feels about his early years on Motorola? What is clear is that many riders make distinctions between different kinds of doping. Stepping up to EPO was a large step. Riders like Fignon would not do it. Lots of riders in northern Europe died from EPO use just a few years earlier. Hincapie could have easily thought this was a huge change and was influenced by Andreu to make it. Instead we get people parsing every he says, looking for anything they can construe as an "attack" on Andreu.
People have different perspectives, especially for events that happened twenty years ago. Who is to say that this is not just how Hincapie feels about his early years on Motorola? What is clear is that many riders make distinctions between different kinds of doping. Stepping up to EPO was a large step. Riders like Fignon would not do it. Lots of riders in northern Europe died from EPO use just a few years earlier. Hincapie could have easily thought this was a huge change and was influenced by Andreu to make it. Instead we get people parsing every he says, looking for anything they can construe as an "attack" on Andreu.
BroDeal said:
Nope.
For the last 6 months Lance has been pushing this same nonsense on various journalists. None of the cycling journalists would take the bait as they knew it was nonsense and had already been burned too many times by Wonderboy.
After this failure he focused his energy on journalists with no connection to the sport who did not know how he works......looks like he found one
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