Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Race Radio]

This place is like listening to Al Sharpton, who sees racism everywhere. Only here everything that is said is an attack on the Andreus with Armstrong in the background pulling the strings.

It is

For the last 6 months Lance has been pushing this same nonsense on various journalists. None of the cycling journalists would take the bait as they knew it was nonsense and had already been burned too many times by Wonderboy.

After this failure he focused his energy on journalists with no connection to the sport who did not know how he works......looks like he found one

 

[Race Radio]

They are all lying. It's just about different things at different times, depending which side of the fence they are on. It has f**k all to do with right or wrong, it has everything to do with winning.

It's a b**ch fight, and only a fool would choose to support either side.

Nonsense.

You are welcome to pretend that Lance and George's decades of transfusions, EPO, Testosterone, Cortisone, HGH, Actovigen, etc is the same as Frankie using EPO a few times but most will not agree with you. Lance wants people to think that it was all the same, everyone was doing the same truck load of dope he was.......but we know that is not the case.

It is like saying a guy who got drunk a couple times at the Christmas party is suddenly Charles Bukowski

 

[MarkvW]

Nonsense.

You are welcome to pretend that Lance and George's decades of transfusions, EPO, Testosterone, Cortisone, HGH, Actovigen, etc is the same as Frankie using EPO a few times but most will not agree with you. Lance wants people to think that it was all the same, everyone was doing the same truck load of dope he was.......but we know that is not the case.

It is like saying a guy who got drunk a couple times at the Christmas party is suddenly Charles Bukowski

It's more like saying that the conspirator that helped out a little bit with the theft is just as liable as the conspirator that helped a lot with the theft.

 

[red_flanders]

"General Public"

and you can believe him..that is your choice

His statements sound credible. I don't know what to believe, but to dismiss them as spin doesn't ring true for me, in this particular case.

 

[uspostal]

Nonsense.

You are welcome to pretend that Lance and George's decades of transfusions, EPO, Testosterone, Cortisone, HGH, Actovigen, etc is the same as Frankie using EPO a few times but most will not agree with you. Lance wants people to think that it was all the same, everyone was doing the same truck load of dope he was.......but we know that is not the case.

It is like saying a guy who got drunk a couple times at the Christmas party is suddenly Charles Bukowski

Say what you want, there all as guilty as the other one. If using PEDs is cheating then they all cheated, as GH said just because you quit before the others make you no less guilty. Does GH really have anything to gain from spreading LA propaganda. In reality do you think that Frankie is being 100% truthful with all his statements about his doping??? So I guess Frankie said he only used EPO a few time the IT must be true, nobody in cycling at that time would ever lie?

 

[MarkvW]

His statements sound credible. I don't know what to believe, but to dismiss them as spin doesn't ring true for me, in this particular case.

Another thing to factor into the mix is this: Anything that any of the participants says now to the media is very possibly going to be the subject of a question asked under oath during the USPS fraud trial process. Why hang yourself out there if what you're saying isn't true? Wouldn't it just be better to remain silent?

With that said, I have no idea who is telling the truth here.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Another thing to factor into the mix is this: Anything that any of the participants says now to the media is very possibly going to be the subject of a question asked under oath during the USPS fraud trial process.

Is that how it really works? The reality is, there are no consequences to lying to the press. Zero.

Why hang yourself out there if what you're saying isn't true? Wouldn't it just be better to remain silent?

With that said, I have no idea who is telling the truth here.

There's so little truth to any of it it's not even worth the time to parse it out.

Hincapie is a liar. Admits to doping at the Olympics under Carmichael in his affadavit yet somehow NOW, Frankie was the fscking pied piper. Right.

I too find it interesting that Hincapie has revisited the whole sordid affair. He can fund a hobby team of kids with the money he stole from clean riders, brand some clothes, and use the UCI's PR message #2 "I'm looking forward." Instead, we got an incredible PR blunder.

If it is true that Wonderboy put him up to it, he didn't understand how badly it hurt his own image. What a deserving idiot.

Fight Wonderboy! Fight!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

LOL, right.

All this husband-housewife stuff really belongs in a kitchen.
I'm still waiting for some serious meat from 'Biggie George"/LA/JB.

 

[Race Radio]

Another thing to factor into the mix is this: Anything that any of the participants says now to the media is very possibly going to be the subject of a question asked under oath during the USPS fraud trial process. Why hang yourself out there if what you're saying isn't true? Wouldn't it just be better to remain silent?

With that said, I have no idea who is telling the truth here.

Simple,

Frankie is a witness in the Qui Tam case, time to smear him. Normal Armstrong tactic

 

[mewmewmew13]

It doesn't really matter what some of you in this forum think..
trying to convince a bunch of clinicians who or what is true is a total waste of time.

Half the comments here are trolling and half are a pretense of making a sound judgement.

Betsy fought for her reputation yet she gets eye rolls and s******s from some @ssh@les that think George is golden.
Who got wealthy from doping and is living a comfy lifestyle?

Who gives an eff what you armchair lawyers think?

I remember a few of you being Lance fans that are now whistling out of a different portal.

The point is why is George who is known for being 'private' and quiet about his personal life now suddenly coming out with these comments for some zero reporter?

My opinion is it smells heavily of Armstrong 'advice'.

 

[Granville57]

This place is like listening to Al Sharpton, who sees racism everywhere. Only here everything that is said is an attack on the Andreus with Armstrong in the background pulling the strings
.....
Hincapie could have easily thought this was a huge change and was influenced by Andreu to make it. Instead we get people parsing every he says, looking for anything they can construe as an "attack" on Andreu.

You, of all people, can not seriously be choosing this time to remove the lens of cynicism, can you?

Say it ain't so, Bro!

Hincapie is a liar. Admits to doping at the Olympics under Carmichael in his affadavit yet somehow NOW, Frankie was the fscking pied piper. Right.

I too find it interesting that Hincapie has revisited the whole sordid affair. He can fund a hobby team of kids with the money he stole from clean riders, brand some clothes, and use the UCI's PR message #2 "I'm looking forward." Instead, we got an incredible PR blunder.

Precisely.

 

[Race Radio]

Hincapie is very clear in his USADA affidavit about the various influences that led to him taking EPO.

In Chronological order

Farrari says EPO is not dangerous
Swart says everyone is doing it
Armstrong gets angry after Milan San Remo and says the team needs to start using EPO
Frankie says you can buy EPO in Switzerland
George, Kevin, and Bobby talk about the need to start using EPO and all start at the same time

He is very clear in his affidavit that it was lance who first demanded they start using EPO......now he tries to paint Frankie is a pusher/junkie? Things change fast

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Say what you want, there all as guilty as the other one. If using PEDs is cheating then they all cheated, as GH said just because you quit before the others make you no less guilty. Does GH really have anything to gain from spreading LA propaganda. In reality do you think that Frankie is being 100% truthful with all his statements about his doping??? So I guess Frankie said he only used EPO a few time the IT must be true, nobody in cycling at that time would ever lie?

Here's my question in all of this: Why concentrate on Frankie and Betsy when the DS from the team who helped him dope has never once admitted to doing anything improper if there's nothing personal here? JB deserves a free pass in all this from Armstrong and Hincapie? Frankie may have said things that Hincapie does not agree with, but JB has left them all hanging and continues to pretend he was just an innocent party in all of this.

Can you all not smell the bullsh!t inherent in that? Because you'd have to be blind and stupid to believe this was all just a hapenstance that Armstrong and Hincapie just happened to make strikingly similar statements about the same person at the same time at a time when one of the most culpable people still pretends it wasn't on him.

Whether or not there is ANY truth in what Hincapie says, he and Armstrong can't be believed when they refuse to address people like JB. Anyone with half a brain has always been able to see the transparent motives of Armstrong when he starts slinging mud. If you were too much of a fool to know he was a lying piece of sh!t until he went on Oprah, you need to blame your genes and smack your mama, because the egg is on your face.

Fu*k them both.

 

[Spider1964]

Hincapie and Myerson have been going at it on twitter in the last hour... with a little jocularity thrown in by Vaughters.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Hincapie and Myerson have been going at it on twitter in the last hour... with a little jocularity thrown in by Vaughters.

....leaving now to read...

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Hincapie and Myerson have been going at it on twitter in the last hour... with a little jocularity thrown in by Vaughters.

wow, even JV is looking up from his "How to read a balancesheet" book.

Where is the meat?

 

[veganrob]

It really makes no sense for George to be drawing more attention to himself by slamming Frankie. I am sure he wishes this would all pass and he could just fly under the radar as he pretty much has through all this up till now. have his clothing company, HOtel Domestique and cycling team. Even if what he was saying is true, it is stupid to come out with this. To some stupid reporter from the Detroit Free Press no less. I don't think George is stupid. It could only mean Lance is deeply involved in this latest attack. And maybe he has something on George and is now calling in the markers.

 

[mewmewmew13]

....leaving now to read...

me three

 

[ChewbaccaD]

All of this proves one thing: Lance Armstrong is still a manipulative, lying sociopath who is incapable of accepting personal responsibility, and still has a pathological need to try to aggressively control everything and everyone...the American Fu*king Dream. There's a reason idiots worshiped such an obvious fraud...people aspire to be like that.

 

[MarkvW]

Simple,

Frankie is a witness in the Qui Tam case, time to smear him. Normal Armstrong tactic

All Frankie can testify to is mass doping. That's what George and everybody else on the team is going to testify to. Come trial time, Hincapie's testimony is going to hurt Lance, et. al. just as much as Frankie's testimony will.

This is just more of that excellent USPS drama.

 

[Race Radio]

All Frankie can testify to is mass doping. That's what George and everybody else on the team is going to testify to. Come trial time, Hincapie's testimony is going to hurt Lance, et. al. just as much as Frankie's testimony will.

This is just more of that excellent USPS drama.

Really, you already know Frankie's testimony?

 

[MarkvW]

Is that how it really works? The reality is, there are no consequences to lying to the press. Zero.



There's so little truth to any of it it's not even worth the time to parse it out.

Hincapie is a liar. Admits to doping at the Olympics under Carmichael in his affadavit yet somehow NOW, Frankie was the fscking pied piper. Right.

I too find it interesting that Hincapie has revisited the whole sordid affair. He can fund a hobby team of kids with the money he stole from clean riders, brand some clothes, and use the UCI's PR message #2 "I'm looking forward." Instead, we got an incredible PR blunder.

If it is true that Wonderboy put him up to it, he didn't understand how badly it hurt his own image. What a deserving idiot.

Fight Wonderboy! Fight!

The statement doesn't mean anything when it's said, but one lawyer or the other is ultimately going to lock the declarant into that statement under oath. THEN, it means something. That's why lawyers tell their clients to STFU when they are in litigation.

 

[MarkvW]

Really, you already know Frankie's testimony?

His testimony isn't going to be much different from his previous testimony under oath. Not unless he wants to risk perjury.

Why can't you discuss things in a civil manner?

 

[BroDeal]

Funny how someone in a sport drenched in EPO who never used it knew the exact pharmacy in Switzerland to buy it.

 

[Race Radio]

Funny how someone in a sport drenched in EPO who never used it knew the exact pharmacy in Switzerland to buy it.

are you trolling or confused? Frankie admitted to using EPO