StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.
So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?
thehog said:StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.
So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?
We live in strange times now. Trump had changed the landscape, time has passed. I’m not sure it’s so relevant dragging Armstrong through a 100 day trial. Sadly we won’t get Lance compelled to tell us the charade of WADA & the UCI. Everyone stays safe.
thehog said:StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.
So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?
We live in strange times now. Trump had changed the landscape, time has passed. I’m not sure it’s so relevant dragging Armstrong through a 100 day trial. Sadly we won’t get Lance compelled to tell us the charade of WADA & the UCI. Everyone stays safe.
StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.
So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?
ScienceIsCool said:StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.
So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?
Armstrong is well on the way to becoming Lance who? The political capital to be gained by a shrinking profile prosecution is diminishing even faster. Nobody is going to make their career taking down this turd. Settle up, declare victory and scrape in a few millions while you're at it Huzzah.
John Swanson
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Alpe73 said:ScienceIsCool said:StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.
So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?
Armstrong is well on the way to becoming Lance who? The political capital to be gained by a shrinking profile prosecution is diminishing even faster. Nobody is going to make their career taking down this turd. Settle up, declare victory and scrape in a few millions while you're at it Huzzah.
John Swanson
Nice try, John. You got game, I'll grant you that.![]()
StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case?
DamianoMachiavelli said:Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?
I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.
DamianoMachiavelli said:StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case?
USPS email and correspondence gushing about the ROI they were getting from team sponsorship and their star witness was going to tell it like it is, that everyone is doping and USADA/WADA is a scam designed to bamboozle the public. On top of that, the DOJ lawyers are incompetent. Just look at how they bumbled the Stapleton/Knaggs settlement.
ScienceIsCool said:DamianoMachiavelli said:StyrbjornSterki said:You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case?
USPS email and correspondence gushing about the ROI they were getting from team sponsorship and their star witness was going to tell it like it is, that everyone is doping and USADA/WADA is a scam designed to bamboozle the public. On top of that, the DOJ lawyers are incompetent. Just look at how they bumbled the Stapleton/Knaggs settlement.
USPS put in their contract a no doping clause. Why is that? I mean, they stood to profit from a doped rider... So why did they put that in a legally binding contract?
John Swanson
ScienceIsCool said:DamianoMachiavelli said:Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?
I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.
What the hell is wrong with you?
ScienceIsCool said:DamianoMachiavelli said:Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?
I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.
What the hell is wrong with you?
John Swanson
DamianoMachiavelli said:ScienceIsCool said:DamianoMachiavelli said:Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?
I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.
What the hell is wrong with you?
The truth cuts deep, doesn't it? Those who believe in fairy tales cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are no good guys in this story. All those they praised because they opposed LA turned out to be the same as him but with one difference: Most are still telling self serving lies while Lance is telling the truth.
aphronesis said:Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.
According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".
the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.
Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.
“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”
aphronesis said:DamianoMachiavelli said:ScienceIsCool said:DamianoMachiavelli said:Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?
I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.
What the hell is wrong with you?
The truth cuts deep, doesn't it? Those who believe in fairy tales cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are no good guys in this story. All those they praised because they opposed LA turned out to be the same as him but with one difference: Most are still telling self serving lies while Lance is telling the truth.
As I believe you’re aware: repression and disavowal will ward off the deep cuts of truth for some. Not broke and no longer legally toxic; LA’s probably ready to roll. Still not clear if he’s learned to really up his cultural affinities for broad appeal in the current age.
Merckx index said:aphronesis said:Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.
Pretty much all of it that even pretends to be about facts. She wasn’t pretending, she didn’t volunteer to testify, she was subpoenaed:
According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19751&start=14660
I get that some people just don’t like Betsy’s personal style, but it’s really not that difficult to separate that from the facts of the case. Some in this forum have defended Ms. Cound, on the grounds that you would expect a wife to defend her husband even if he were a doper and she knew it. Yet Betsy is savaged for defending herself.
From VN:
the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.
Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.
“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”
Merckx index said:aphronesis said:Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.
Pretty much all of it that even pretends to be about facts. She wasn’t pretending, she didn’t volunteer to testify, she was subpoenaed:
According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19751&start=14660
I get that some people just don’t like Betsy’s personal style, but it’s really not that difficult to separate that from the facts of the case. Some in this forum have defended Ms. Cound, on the grounds that you would expect a wife to defend her husband even if he were a doper and she knew it. Yet Betsy is savaged for defending herself.
From VN:
the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.
Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.
“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”
Alpe73 said:aphronesis said:DamianoMachiavelli said:ScienceIsCool said:DamianoMachiavelli said:Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?
I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.
What the hell is wrong with you?
The truth cuts deep, doesn't it? Those who believe in fairy tales cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are no good guys in this story. All those they praised because they opposed LA turned out to be the same as him but with one difference: Most are still telling self serving lies while Lance is telling the truth.
As I believe you’re aware: repression and disavowal will ward off the deep cuts of truth for some. Not broke and no longer legally toxic; LA’s probably ready to roll. Still not clear if he’s learned to really up his cultural affinities for broad appeal in the current age.
Lance, Dylan Casey, Jamie Fuller et al ... anything up there, you reckon?
Merckx index said:aphronesis said:Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.
Pretty much all of it that even pretends to be about facts. She wasn’t pretending, she didn’t volunteer to testify, she was subpoenaed:
According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19751&start=14660
I get that some people just don’t like Betsy’s personal style, but it’s really not that difficult to separate that from the facts of the case. Some in this forum have defended Ms. Cound, on the grounds that you would expect a wife to defend her husband even if he were a doper and she knew it. Yet Betsy is savaged for defending herself.
From VN:
the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.
Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.
“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”