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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.

So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?


We live in strange times now. Trump had changed the landscape, time has passed. I’m not sure it’s so relevant dragging Armstrong through a 100 day trial. Sadly we won’t get Lance compelled to tell us the charade of WADA & the UCI. Everyone stays safe.
 
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thehog said:
StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.

So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?


We live in strange times now. Trump had changed the landscape, time has passed. I’m not sure it’s so relevant dragging Armstrong through a 100 day trial. Sadly we won’t get Lance compelled to tell us the charade of WADA & the UCI. Everyone stays safe.

Hog ... you took a lot of heat in the formative years of this thread. You remained objective, by and large. You went the distance, bro. Props, seriously.
 
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thehog said:
StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.

So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?


We live in strange times now. Trump had changed the landscape, time has passed. I’m not sure it’s so relevant dragging Armstrong through a 100 day trial. Sadly we won’t get Lance compelled to tell us the charade of WADA & the UCI. Everyone stays safe.


You know, you have a point. I've come up with a few ideas of why they went a head and settled the case at this point, but your thoughts might be closer to the actual reason.
 
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StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.

So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?

Armstrong is well on the way to becoming Lance who? The political capital to be gained by a shrinking profile prosecution is diminishing even faster. Nobody is going to make their career taking down this turd. Settle up, declare victory and scrape in a few millions while you're at it Huzzah.

John Swanson
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.

So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?

Armstrong is well on the way to becoming Lance who? The political capital to be gained by a shrinking profile prosecution is diminishing even faster. Nobody is going to make their career taking down this turd. Settle up, declare victory and scrape in a few millions while you're at it Huzzah.

John Swanson

Nice try, John. You got game, I'll grant you that. ;)
 
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Race Radio must be crying :cool:

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Alpe73 said:
ScienceIsCool said:
StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.

So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?

Armstrong is well on the way to becoming Lance who? The political capital to be gained by a shrinking profile prosecution is diminishing even faster. Nobody is going to make their career taking down this turd. Settle up, declare victory and scrape in a few millions while you're at it Huzzah.

John Swanson

Nice try, John. You got game, I'll grant you that. ;)

<shrug> Then go into a pub and try to start a conversation about Lance. See how far that gets you.

John Swanson
 
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Damn!..Pharmstrong makes out like a bandit! 5 mil is a drop in the bucket for him! So he gets to keep his mansions, fancy cars & luxurious lifestyle all from doping! A basically no talent amateur cyclist who has the unique gift of being a super-responder to PEDs dopes his way to fame & fortune! And sadly, the rest of us have to work for living and play by the rules. Life sucks!...dopers make out like bandits! :(
 
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Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?

I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.
 
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You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case?

USPS email and correspondence gushing about the ROI they were getting from team sponsorship and their star witness was going to tell it like it is, that everyone is doping and USADA/WADA is a scam designed to bamboozle the public. On top of that, the DOJ lawyers are incompetent. Just look at how they bumbled the Stapleton/Knaggs settlement.
 
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Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?

I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.

What the hell is wrong with you?

John Swanson
 
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DamianoMachiavelli said:
StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case?

USPS email and correspondence gushing about the ROI they were getting from team sponsorship and their star witness was going to tell it like it is, that everyone is doping and USADA/WADA is a scam designed to bamboozle the public. On top of that, the DOJ lawyers are incompetent. Just look at how they bumbled the Stapleton/Knaggs settlement.

USPS put in their contract a no doping clause. Why is that? I mean, they stood to profit from a doped rider... So why did they put that in a legally binding contract?

John Swanson
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
StyrbjornSterki said:
You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case?

USPS email and correspondence gushing about the ROI they were getting from team sponsorship and their star witness was going to tell it like it is, that everyone is doping and USADA/WADA is a scam designed to bamboozle the public. On top of that, the DOJ lawyers are incompetent. Just look at how they bumbled the Stapleton/Knaggs settlement.

USPS put in their contract a no doping clause. Why is that? I mean, they stood to profit from a doped rider... So why did they put that in a legally binding contract?

John Swanson

John ........ it’s over, brutha. Peace.
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?

I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.

What the hell is wrong with you?

The truth cuts deep, doesn't it? Those who believe in fairy tales cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are no good guys in this story. All those they praised because they opposed LA turned out to be the same as him but with one difference: Most are still telling self serving lies while Lance is telling the truth.
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?

I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.

What the hell is wrong with you?

John Swanson

Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate. (If anything it’s that he omits the relentless D grade media attention seeking.) They used to talk about unicorns and pixie dust in this thread. Seems clear where that ended up.

For those not strong with the Google and the reading, numbers are in here per my above post


https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/19/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-postal-service.amp.html&ved=0ahUKEwjTg5O47cfaAhXsp1kKHYwzAdYQyM8BCCcwAA&psig=AOvVaw37oibxHfZLIJBLnzVXFseH&ust=1524279412047406&ampcf=1
 
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DamianoMachiavelli said:
ScienceIsCool said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?

I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.

What the hell is wrong with you?

The truth cuts deep, doesn't it? Those who believe in fairy tales cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are no good guys in this story. All those they praised because they opposed LA turned out to be the same as him but with one difference: Most are still telling self serving lies while Lance is telling the truth.

As I believe you’re aware: repression and disavowal will ward off the deep cuts of truth for some. Not broke and no longer legally toxic; LA’s probably ready to roll. Still not clear if he’s learned to really up his cultural affinities for broad appeal in the current age.
 
aphronesis said:
Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.

Pretty much all of it that even pretends to be about facts. She wasn’t pretending, she didn’t volunteer to testify, she was subpoenaed:

According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19751&start=14660

I get that some people just don’t like Betsy’s personal style, but it’s really not that difficult to separate that from the facts of the case. Some in this forum have defended Ms. Cound, on the grounds that you would expect a wife to defend her husband even if he were a doper and she knew it. Yet Betsy is savaged for defending herself.

From VN:

the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.

Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.

“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”
 
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aphronesis said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
ScienceIsCool said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?

I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.

What the hell is wrong with you?

The truth cuts deep, doesn't it? Those who believe in fairy tales cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are no good guys in this story. All those they praised because they opposed LA turned out to be the same as him but with one difference: Most are still telling self serving lies while Lance is telling the truth.

As I believe you’re aware: repression and disavowal will ward off the deep cuts of truth for some. Not broke and no longer legally toxic; LA’s probably ready to roll. Still not clear if he’s learned to really up his cultural affinities for broad appeal in the current age.

Lance, Dylan Casey, Jamie Fuller et al ... anything up there, you reckon?
 
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Merckx index said:
aphronesis said:
Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.

Pretty much all of it that even pretends to be about facts. She wasn’t pretending, she didn’t volunteer to testify, she was subpoenaed:

According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19751&start=14660

I get that some people just don’t like Betsy’s personal style, but it’s really not that difficult to separate that from the facts of the case. Some in this forum have defended Ms. Cound, on the grounds that you would expect a wife to defend her husband even if he were a doper and she knew it. Yet Betsy is savaged for defending herself.

From VN:

the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.

Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.

“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”


So you’re saying she was only visible in the media when legally compelled? After that the dam just broke and it was too much to bear.

Imagine a doper gaming an insurance company. I hardly know where to turn for guidance.

Good to see Facebook alive and well.
 
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Merckx index said:
aphronesis said:
Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.

Pretty much all of it that even pretends to be about facts. She wasn’t pretending, she didn’t volunteer to testify, she was subpoenaed:

According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19751&start=14660

I get that some people just don’t like Betsy’s personal style, but it’s really not that difficult to separate that from the facts of the case. Some in this forum have defended Ms. Cound, on the grounds that you would expect a wife to defend her husband even if he were a doper and she knew it. Yet Betsy is savaged for defending herself.

From VN:

the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.

Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.

“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”

And neither can the lack of it.
 
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Alpe73 said:
aphronesis said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
ScienceIsCool said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
Anyone have Betsy on suicide watch? With the hope of seeing Lance Armstrong bankrupted gone, will jealousy over the size of other riders' houses be enough to keep her going?

I guess the real question is whether she will ever take responsibility for picking a fight with Armstrong and continuing the feud for the better part of twenty years or will she continue to pretend to be an innocent, truth seeking Catholic schoolgirl/housewife who was minding her own business when the big bad ol' Lance, completely out of the blue and for no reason other than sheer meanness, attacked her.

What the hell is wrong with you?

The truth cuts deep, doesn't it? Those who believe in fairy tales cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are no good guys in this story. All those they praised because they opposed LA turned out to be the same as him but with one difference: Most are still telling self serving lies while Lance is telling the truth.

As I believe you’re aware: repression and disavowal will ward off the deep cuts of truth for some. Not broke and no longer legally toxic; LA’s probably ready to roll. Still not clear if he’s learned to really up his cultural affinities for broad appeal in the current age.

Lance, Dylan Casey, Jamie Fuller et al ... anything up there, you reckon?

Not by some metrics, but I don’t judge.

All told, as stated some time back, probably more interesting to drink with than anyone flying the sad pathology flag. I’ve known (and been connected through family marriages) to some miserable and vicious azzholes, it’s not clear to me he even riss to their level.
 
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Merckx index said:
aphronesis said:
Which part of his post do you find factually inaccurate.

Pretty much all of it that even pretends to be about facts. She wasn’t pretending, she didn’t volunteer to testify, she was subpoenaed:

According to Adam Paskoff of Paskoff & Tamber, LLP, the Andreus testimony was given reluctantly in the first place. "Frankie and Betsy Andreu were subpoenaed by a Texas Arbitration Panel in the matter of Lance Armstrong, et al. v. SCA Promotions. The Andreus responded that they would not willingly comply with the Texas subpoena," Paskoff said in a statement. When the subpoena was confirmed, "the Andreus were compelled to answer the subpoenas under penalty of contempt of court.".

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19751&start=14660

I get that some people just don’t like Betsy’s personal style, but it’s really not that difficult to separate that from the facts of the case. Some in this forum have defended Ms. Cound, on the grounds that you would expect a wife to defend her husband even if he were a doper and she knew it. Yet Betsy is savaged for defending herself.

From VN:

the settlement was greeted with dismay by Betsy Andreu, the wife of former Armstrong team-mate Frankie Andreu. The Andreus were among the first to go on the record about Armstrong’s doping.

Betsy Andreu said the settlement amounted to Armstrong being let off the hook.

“My thought is a vengeful, unremorseful pathological liar was revealed and got a lifetime ban so all is not lost,” Andreu wrote on Facebook. “in the end he is who he is and money can’t buy class, respect or reputation.”

Of course ... we're all different. And are we all guilty of confirmation bias?

The first thing that Betsy Andreu did (according to her USADA affidavit) after returning home from "the hospital room" was to ... tell four of her close friends about the incident ... then more people as time went on.