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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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Exactly what would her testifying again have achieved for her? How could this time possibly have brought her closure. He won't apologise or acknowledge the hospital room happened. We all know it did happen. But I don't know where she will find peace in all this. Testifying in this case, had it gone to trial wasn't going to bring it. We all believe her.
However as the years have gone by this isn't black and white. I went from being a big Betsy supporter to growing uneasy. He started it but by God has she continued it.
Then Betsy was talking to WADA and saying they were a force for good, saying Floyd should repay USADA for the trial expenses and then a few years ago talking at conferences about anti doping. If she wants to talk about anti doping by all means go for it - she's an intelligent, articulate woman with a husband who competed at this level - but at some point she has to talk about more than Lance.
 
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The Floyd Retirement fund hasn't come through.


At least he got to spruik his weed business... gotta be some follow on from that... though not the money on trees sceanario he was banking on, only not so much in the bushes...
 
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Exactly what would her testifying again have achieved for her? How could this time possibly have brought her closure. He won't apologise or acknowledge the hospital room happened. We all know it did happen. But I don't know where she will find peace in all this. Testifying in this case, had it gone to trial wasn't going to bring it. We all believe her.
However as the years have gone by this isn't black and white. I went from being a big Betsy supporter to growing uneasy. He started it but by God has she continued it.
Then Betsy was talking to WADA and saying they were a force for good, saying Floyd should repay USADA for the trial expenses and then a few years ago talking at conferences about anti doping. If she wants to talk about anti doping by all means go for it - she's an intelligent, articulate woman with a husband who competed at this level - but at some point she has to talk about more than Lance.

Rancor and obsession ... is a very nasty cocktail. :geek:
 
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What happened to the ~100M$ claim?

It was never going to be anything like $100 million. A few tried explaining here years ago to various posters, one in particular, of how damages would need to be proved.

Anyway, there were a few of us that speculated a $5-10 million settlement back then. It's no real surprise.
 
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How long before LeMond weighs in? He will undoubtedly continue his Hercule Poirot act with its tale of how he followed the clues to figure out Lance was doping while not mentioning there was nothing to figure out because he, like all pros, was well aware that 99% of pros dope and that was the case for a hundred years before he turned pro, the case while he was a pro, and continued to be the case after he retired. Funny how he not only holds fast to omerta to protect doping rivals who stole victories from him but is pleased to do public appearances with them. You would think that after thirty years of telling people he would have won the 1985 Tour if his team had not misled him on the road he might have mentioned Hinault and the French contingent on the team was doped to the gills.
 
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macbindle said:
The Floyd Retirement fund hasn't come through.


At least he got to spruik his weed business... gotta be some follow on from that... though not the money on trees sceanario he was banking on, only not so much in the bushes...

Somewhat off topic, but has anyone noticed that the most recent Cycling News Podcast (covering Fleche Wallone, etc...) is brought to you by...Floyds of Leadville. Ya can't make this *** up.
 
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How long before LeMond weighs in? He will undoubtedly continue his Hercule Poirot act with its tale of how he followed the clues to figure out Lance was doping while not mentioning there was nothing to figure out because he, like all pros, was well aware that 99% of pros dope and that was the case for a hundred years before he turned pro, the case while he was a pro, and continued to be the case after he retired. Funny how he not only holds fast to omerta to protect doping rivals who stole victories from him but is pleased to do public appearances with them. You would think that after thirty years of telling people he would have won the 1985 Tour if his team had not misled him on the road he might have mentioned Hinault and the French contingent on the team was doped to the gills.
There's a book about him due in June, it was hoping to cash in on the trial for PR...
 
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Somewhat off topic, but has anyone noticed that the most recent Cycling News Podcast (covering Fleche Wallone, etc...) is brought to you by...Floyds of Leadville. Ya can't make this **** up.

Don't throw shade on my man Floyd. In the years I have known him he has never expressed the expectation of walking away with a jackpot from this. He has always known he would end up with little to nothing for the time, trouble, and trauma. The math with the average whistle blower percentage, the lawyers' cut, the taxes, and the deferred prosecution agreement was pretty simple. It was never about the money.
 
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Please God let this be the end of the gravy train for those hoping to still cash in on the downfall of Lance.

For all the hysteria (it was never about the doping it was the way he treated people blah blah blah) the number of people who genuinely suffered harm through the actions of Lance (faux outrage from people with no personal connection doesn't count) is miniscule in relation to the number of people who's lives have been positively impacted by his whole life story.

Now i'm not saying this makes him a Saint, clearly even when he was helping people his motives were not always selfless; but in my book it certainly excuses him from the kind of eternal damnation usually reserved for genocidal maniacs and such folk that some seem to think he should carry for the rest of his days.
 
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Was always going to settle

Surprised the Feds didn't manage to screw Lance for more than $5m plus Floyd's legal fees - suggests Lance played hardball and the Feds blinked

Don't forget however Lance has to pay his own legal fees - if Floyd's are $1.65m then Lance's must be multiples of that

Time to draw a line and move on...
 
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DamianoMachiavelli said:
eleven said:
Somewhat off topic, but has anyone noticed that the most recent Cycling News Podcast (covering Fleche Wallone, etc...) is brought to you by...Floyds of Leadville. Ya can't make this **** up.

Don't throw shade on my man Floyd. In the years I have known him he has never expressed the expectation of walking away with a jackpot from this. He has always known he would end up with little to nothing for the time, trouble, and trauma. The math with the average whistle blower percentage, the lawyers' cut, the taxes, and the deferred prosecution agreement was pretty simple. It was never about the money.
Oh I didn't mean to imply anything at all about Floyd. I just found it interesting that the CyclingNews podcast is brought to us by a guy who was stripped of his TdF title for doping and spent years fighting it.

I'm not sure if "ironic" is the right word but it's certainly an interesting turn. It's also impressive that he's developed such a successful and highly regarded business in the CBD / Cannabis space.
 
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Was always going to settle

Surprised the Feds didn't manage to screw Lance for more than $5m plus Floyd's legal fees - suggests Lance played hardball and the Feds blinked

Don't forget however Lance has to pay his own legal fees - if Floyd's are $1.65m then Lance's must be multiples of that

Time to draw a line and move on...

Good post.
 
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DamianoMachiavelli said:
eleven said:
Somewhat off topic, but has anyone noticed that the most recent Cycling News Podcast (covering Fleche Wallone, etc...) is brought to you by...Floyds of Leadville. Ya can't make this **** up.

Don't throw shade on my man Floyd. In the years I have known him he has never expressed the expectation of walking away with a jackpot from this. He has always known he would end up with little to nothing for the time, trouble, and trauma. The math with the average whistle blower percentage, the lawyers' cut, the taxes, and the deferred prosecution agreement was pretty simple. It was never about the money.

€1,000,000 isn't bad. I wouldn't pass that up.

His legal fees paid too.

If it wasn't about the money, what was it about?
 
I always thought it was about a rough collision with reality and the idea that if he couldn’t be in neither could JB and Armstrong. Some punitive justice that’s morphed some since.

Elsewhere, claiming the Feds came out ahead shows a typically limited understanding of how governmentality works. And thevprinting of their own money. Woof.
 
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I always thought it was about a rough collision with reality and the idea that if he couldn’t be in neither could JB and Armstrong. Some punitive justice that’s morphed some since.

Yeah me too, and I've neither quite grasped the beatification of Landis. A man who took money off people, under false pretences, to pay for a campaign aimed entirely at undermining anti-doping. A man who colluded with a friend to taunt Lemond about his experience of sexual abuse as a child, with the aim of bullying him out of speaking the truth.

All a big bunch of vile sh1tbags, to be honest.
 
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macbindle said:
DamianoMachiavelli said:
eleven said:
Somewhat off topic, but has anyone noticed that the most recent Cycling News Podcast (covering Fleche Wallone, etc...) is brought to you by...Floyds of Leadville. Ya can't make this **** up.

Don't throw shade on my man Floyd. In the years I have known him he has never expressed the expectation of walking away with a jackpot from this. He has always known he would end up with little to nothing for the time, trouble, and trauma. The math with the average whistle blower percentage, the lawyers' cut, the taxes, and the deferred prosecution agreement was pretty simple. It was never about the money.

€1,000,000 isn't bad. I wouldn't pass that up.

His legal fees paid too.

If it wasn't about the money, what was it about?

Legal settlements are not taxed thus a reasonable sum for the time involved. I don’t think it was about the money, it has been 8 years and counting which equates to around $120k per year. That’s not a lot. My experience says Floyd wanted to make a difference to anti-doping and free himself of the burden. He achieved one of those objectives.
 
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macbindle said:
aphronesis said:
I always thought it was about a rough collision with reality and the idea that if he couldn’t be in neither could JB and Armstrong. Some punitive justice that’s morphed some since.

Yeah me too, and I've neither quite grasped the beatification of Landis. A man who took money off people, under false pretences, to pay for a campaign aimed entirely at undermining anti-doping. A man who colluded with a friend to taunt Lemond about his experience of sexual abuse as a child, with the aim of bullying him out of speaking the truth.

All a big bunch of vile sh1tbags, to be honest.

Per hog’s post I think it was a learning experience on the fly for Landis. Shedding a lot of naivete under fire. I don’t bear him any malice. As you say though, holding him up on ideological grounds is the same old cynical naivete that permeates this thread.