Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[thehog]

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One thing I find interesting with Armstrong is he's still close with some of the teammates that testified against him (Hincapie and Vande Velde). I would suggest that is behaviour that isn't sociopathic.

There's offering evidence and there's answering questions. Did either CVV or Hincapie actually offer anything? I know the latter's book almost goes out of its way to not to talk about the doping of the LA years - either in general or specifically within Motorola/USPS/Disco - and, though I recall nothing of it at this stage, I noted when reviewing the book that he spent a lot of effort justifying why he testified (all I recall is that he had no choice in the matter).

That said, I think the whole LA-as-a-sociopath thing is nonsense, it's one of the cheapest shots Walsh - and others - took at turning LA into a monster. If we take the tools used to call LA a sociopath, we could probably say the exact same of Walsh himself.

This I have always agreed with and said it as far back as 2004.

 

[aphronesis]

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Who knows? It’s like much of that philosophy I was arguing vs. science a while back on the politics thread, right. Where do you draw the line at others’ reality and its truth claims?

Fixed.

If we take the tools used to call LA a sociopath, we could probably say the exact same of Walsh himself.

Really? Well, go to it! I’m very interested to see how this is accomplished.

You could have fixed it a little more cleanly. Although the difference is scientists usually end up having recourse to the human condition to extrapolate their findings and they do it badly. Philosophers don’t need science.

I trust you got the jokes buried in there?

 

[aphronesis]

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One thing I find interesting with Armstrong is he's still close with some of the teammates that testified against him (Hincapie and Vande Velde). I would suggest that is behaviour that isn't sociopathic.

What, you're suggesting that sociopaths somehow lack the ability to be pragmatic? To the contrary, there is a high correlation between sociopathy and utilitarianism, and utilitarianism is inherently pragmatic.

At some point Pharmstrong likely was going to have to grant absolution to some of the turncoats, else he risked finding himself standing stark staring alone. He picked from among the least worst among them, which were those who were coerced into testifying. Pharmstrong already used his Twitter bully pulpit to complain that former teammates were being given immunity in return for their testimony. An offer of immunity must needs be backed up with threats of criminal prosecution, else the carrot they offer has no accompanying stick.

They all know they were equally guilty of most of the same transgressions. And there but for the grace of God go I. It stands to reason many of them have more than a twinge of survivor's guilt because they haven't shared the far harsher fate of their former Master and Commander, in no small part because they turned rat to save their own keesters. And as manipulative a sociopath as Pharmstrong has shown himself to be, I think it stands to equal reason that he will twist that fact to his best advantage. The penance he demands to grant their absolution will not be trifling.

The upshot is those poor fools are thinking he's done them a favour.

Amen brother. And your proof of all this again is what? The lofty ambition of your overcooked, turgid prose?

 

[Merckx index]

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I trust you got the jokes buried in there?

I trust you got the joke buried not so deeply in my post.

 

[aphronesis]

of course. be a more interesting discussion to have if it didn’t have to be inspired by the small-minded resentful pettiness that LA managed to implant from himself into multiple posters

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Lance settles for $5m.

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Lance settles for $5m.

Plus fees...

 

[aphronesis]

1.1 million to Floyd and 1.65 to cover Floyd’s fees. Deal. Maybe a disgraced/confessed US cyclists fondo could be in order.

 

[Scott SoCal]

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1.1 million to Floyd and 1.65 to cover Floyd’s fees. Deal. Maybe a disgraced/confessed US cyclists fondo could be in order.

https://www.levisgranfondo.com/

 

[aphronesis]

Well that. I guess the scorched earth is appropriate.

Last I looked Russian River brewing had survived.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Five cents on the dollar and no day in court. Cue the tears and tantrums.

 

[MarkvW]

Out with a whimper. The saga ends.

 

[pastronef]

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Out with a whimper. The saga ends.

so next question is "when will Armstrong be allowed at triathlons again?"

 

[Alpe73]

Good decision all round. Everybody gets a bit, everybody saves a bit of face ... except The Clinic 12. They flew too close to the sun. Ironic.

Lance was a great cyclist. Lance was a doper. Bit of an *** at times. Did some other good stuff. Now, will do some other good stuff.

One tough SOB.

 

[Carols]

What a damp squib....5Million

 

[thehog]

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What a damp squib....5Million

He had his own fees plus Landis’s to cover. I’d say $10-$12m in totality. Not fun but not the wipe out he might have been facing.

I guess the book deal is next....

 

[GraftPunk]

Frankly, Lance can suck it long and hard. He is not a nice person Alpe, but I suppose people need to figure these things out on their own.

 

[Alpe73]

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Frankly, Lance can suck it long and hard. He is not a nice person Alpe, but I suppose people need to figure these things out on their own.

Bingo.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

You have to wonder why the US would settle for such a paltry amount. Could that be a reflection of what they thought of the strength of their case? With all the investigating and deposing, $5 mil will hardly cover the cost of the stenographers.

So now the burning question is, ... how much does FLandis get?

 

[phanatic]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

The lawsuit should have been thrown out. It would be more credible for the ASO to sue the USPS.

 

[Merckx index]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Armstrong has one year to make the payments to the government and Landis, and has agreed to put a lien on his property in Texas as collateral.

Armstrong's Austin home was re-listed for sale for $7.5 million in March. It failed to sell for $8.5 million in 2016. Should the Austin home sell, he would be required to list his Colorado home as collateral under the settlement agreement.

According to the settlement document, Armstrong has confirmed that the payments to settle the case will not push him into insolvency.

What has he paid in total up to now, for all his cases, including legal fees, everything? Twenty to thirty million? At one time he was estimated to be worth more than $100 million.

And does Floyd get $1 million, above and beyond the $1.65 million for legal fees? Not clear about this.

 

[Parker]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

And does Floyd get $1 million, above and beyond the $1.65 million for legal fees? Not clear about this.

It looks like just the legal fees. Which would seem just as he was a keen participant in the offence in question.

 

[Alpe73]

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The lawsuit should have been thrown out. It would be more credible for the ASO to sue the USPS.

Reminds me of the movie (and the reality/realty that it inspired it), The Big Short. You can sell any shyte to anyone ... especially when they're riding a wave of euphoria.

In this case ... even the Feds got caught up in the "burn that mutha down" romance ... fuelled by RDecisions, books, movies and mighty housewives.

Greed.
Ironic.

 

[Stingray34]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Lance has to give Landis millions. What a choad.

 

[Merckx index]

Well according to this Atlantic article, Floyd does get his own $1 million:

And on the grounds of the whistle-blower suit, Landis will be awarded $1.1 million from that settlement. (Armstrong will also pay $1.65 million to cover Landis’s legal costs.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/05/lance-armstrong-floyd-landis/556868/

I guess the $1.1 million comes out of the $5 million? But maybe that's just what he could get, not definitely decided?

U.S. government really isn't very good at these doping cases. The lost the Roger Clemens case, and while technically they got Bonds on something, basically they lost that case, too. And that was clearly a case of targeting someone who had done nothing more than many of his peers,