Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[MarkvW]

The article on cycling news about Armstrong appealing to the state's highest court about a lower court's decision to allow SCA to commence proceedings to recover the settlement money it paid Armstrong is just Lance staying his execution (again).

I don't see that it stays anything. That's what's so weird about it.

 

[D-Queued]

I can't figure out any sane strategy behind Lance's trying to take this case up to the Texas Supreme Court.

(1) It appears that no stay is in place. In other words, there is no Texas court order preventing the arbitration panel from doing anything.

(2) Lance has to persuade the Texas Supreme Court to take his case before he can ask it to stop the arbitration. The Texas Supreme Court is unlikely to do this because it doesn't want every person who thinks that he or she is going to lose an arbitration running off to court in an attempt to get the Court to oversee the process. This would clog the courts even more and frustrate the whole purpose of (speedy) arbitration. This is where the whole idea of precedent really kicks in. The bottom line is that Lance can, and should, wait until the arbitration is over and then take his shot at the Courts. He is prematurely litigating.

Lance appears to be just burning money for the sake of burning money. Either that, or Lance has been infected by ultra-parasitic lawyers.

Does anybody else have another explanation for Lance's behavior?

Scorched. Earth.

What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine.

You can't get it if I already spent it.

Dave.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Why is he trying to prevent the "under oath" thing at all costs? It´s all in the open, and said & done. I don´t get it...

 

[thehog]

I can't figure out any sane strategy behind Lance's trying to take this case up to the Texas Supreme Court.

(1) It appears that no stay is in place. In other words, there is no Texas court order preventing the arbitration panel from doing anything.

(2) Lance has to persuade the Texas Supreme Court to take his case before he can ask it to stop the arbitration. The Texas Supreme Court is unlikely to do this because it doesn't want every person who thinks that he or she is going to lose an arbitration running off to court in an attempt to get the Court to oversee the process. This would clog the courts even more and frustrate the whole purpose of (speedy) arbitration. This is where the whole idea of precedent really kicks in. The bottom line is that Lance can, and should, wait until the arbitration is over and then take his shot at the Courts. He is prematurely litigating.

Lance appears to be just burning money for the sake of burning money. Either that, or Lance has been infected by ultra-parasitic lawyers.

Does anybody else have another explanation for Lance's behavior?

What money is he burning?

None.

This is very normal behaviour. When you know you inevitably have it pay you delay it to such a point that the other side has little time to consider. By offering early gives them time to raise your offer.

Armstrong's attorney is not charging. He gained his percentage on the original "win". That's his fee. Now it's opening again he needs not to be paid. Contingency basis is not unusual. In fact it's normal.

SCAs fees will be apportioned at settlement. He can still appeal those even in a judgment on the primary suit. Draw that out. File again.

In the history of history, no one ever pays. Delay in courts proceedings is why the world is so frustrated with the legal system. Even when judgment is made, enforcement and the long process of the money passing through insurance companies, structured settlement owners etc. takes the life of a Tolstoy novel.

Forever and a day.

And then you have that nagging issue. If Armstrong still has SCAs money then he is best to hold on to it for as long as possible and earn interest or what other inventive ways he wishes to use the money that was never his.

Additionally. There's paying you and how we pay you. Lump sum? Structured? Drip feed? Come get my assets in Bermuda?

The world is fall of debt and people who owe money. Getting money out of people is an industry in itself. Almost all of the time you accept less because chasing her party for money goes on so long and costs so much money, some of which is not recoverable. Time better spent chasing new business.

What is playing out is par for the course. And Armstrong would be mad to do anything other than do nothing at all. Which he is doing.

And. There's always a risk the court will do something crazy and side with Armstrong. There's always that risk. Nothing is certain apart from death and taxes. And this case is an odd one. SCA don't have a watertight case. It's good but they did take the initial risk. There is some culpability in that.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Why is he trying to prevent the "under oath" thing at all costs? It´s all in the open, and said & done. I don´t get it...

All that he said before 'under oath' will now be open to his future 'under oath' testimony...if they don't match..and how could they since he lied..then I am guessing he could be looking at a perjury charge?

I am so confused myself at this point that I don't know anymore...
but you know that if he and his team can try new tricks or make it more miserable and drawn out than it is ...they will!

 

[MarkvW]

Scorched. Earth.

What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine.

You can't get it if I already spent it.

Dave.

That theory would seem to be true only if Lance is convinced he's going to run out of money. Which would mean (contrary to what Rick Reilly says) that Lance is unhappy

But then that would make Lance unhappy, wouldn't it? And would thus make Rick Reilly a gullible sycophant (once again).

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

All that he said before 'under oath' will now be open to his future 'under oath' testimony...if they don't match..and how could they since he lied..then I am guessing he could be looking at a perjury charge?

I am so confused myself at this point that I don't know anymore...
but you know that if he and his team can try new tricks or make it more miserable and drawn out than it is ...they will!

But didn´t he gave written statements in one of the ongoing cases where he admitted his doping? So wouldn´t he be already open for perjury charges?

What money is he burning?

Welcome back. How was the 1 month forced holidays off the clinic?

 

[mewmewmew13]

I would like to see him go to jail.

I guess we will never know what he admitted in those written statements.. there must be more that he doesn't wish to be asked about.
I admit I have no clue...

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Buddy has to be utterly bat-sh*t crazy.

He hasn't even caught onto the fact that he is now an officially washed up lying, cheating has-been.

Does anyone care anymore? He lost his cache as soon as he admitted, and now he's out behind the barn on the dung heap that encases all the media darlings that have shot themselves in the foot. Hope he likes keeping company with Lindsey Lohan...

Another Reilly interview to tell everyone how alright he is with himself? Really? Not only is it not necessary, it reeks of wanton self-promotion.

He doesn't even have a f*cking clue that no one cares anymore. He's utterly impotent, lost all gravitas in the sporting world, and is scrambling so hard to maintain social relevance he's embarrasing himself.

As a destructive narscisist, he's truly getting his just deserts: No one cares, and he doesn't matter any more...

It's beautiful.

 

[MarkvW]

All that he said before 'under oath' will now be open to his future 'under oath' testimony...if they don't match..and how could they since he lied..then I am guessing he could be looking at a perjury charge?

I am so confused myself at this point that I don't know anymore...
but you know that if he and his team can try new tricks or make it more miserable and drawn out than it is ...they will!

Lance isn't risking perjury unless he either (a) tells a provable lie; or (b) tells a truth that contradicts his previous sworn statement made within the limitations period.

Lance's only sworn lies (AFAIK) were told in the SCA litigation, way past the SOL for perjury.

My favorite theory (one that has been rejected by everybody here and has been presented by nobody else on Earth) is that Lance testified under oath in the criminal case (just like all the other Posties). If Lance did, he may have lied--figuring that his lie would not get out. Then--when the USADA evidence came out--Lance realized that his lie was not as safe as he thought it was. Now, he really wants to avoid testifying because the truth will not set him free (see (b), above). Please don't flame me for this theory--it is the most extreme speculation.

 

[thehog]

I would like to see him go to jail.

I guess we will never know what he admitted in those written statements.. there must be more that he doesn't wish to be asked about.
I admit I have no clue...

If you knew what he knew you'd wait. Why play those cards now?

His biggest exposure is the QT. He's not about to risk or show his defence now until such time it gets him something in return.

 

[MarkvW]

What money is he burning?

None.

This is very normal behaviour. When you know you inevitably have it pay you delay it to such a point that the other side has little time to consider. By offering early gives them time to raise your offer.

Armstrong's attorney is not charging. He gained his percentage on the original "win". That's his fee. Now it's opening again he needs not to be paid. Contingency basis is not unusual. In fact it's normal.

SCAs fees will be apportioned at settlement. He can still appeal those even in a judgment on the primary suit. Draw that out. File again.

In the history of history, no one ever pays. Delay in courts proceedings is why the world is so frustrated with the legal system. Even when judgment is made, enforcement and the long process of the money passing through insurance companies, structured settlement owners etc. takes the life of a Tolstoy novel.

Forever and a day.

And then you have that nagging issue. If Armstrong still has SCAs money then he is best to hold on to it for as long as possible and earn interest or what other inventive ways he wishes to use the money that was never his.

Additionally. There's paying you and how we pay you. Lump sum? Structured? Drip feed? Come get my assets in Bermuda?

The world is fall of debt and people who owe money. Getting money out of people is an industry in itself. Almost all of the time you accept less because chasing her party for money goes on so long and costs so much money, some of which is not recoverable. Time better spent chasing new business.

What is playing out is par for the course. And Armstrong would be mad to do anything other than do nothing at all. Which he is doing.

And. There's always a risk the court will do something crazy and side with Armstrong. There's always that risk. Nothing is certain apart from death and taxes. And this case is an odd one. SCA don't have a watertight case. It's good but they did take the initial risk. There is some culpability in that.

Contingency fee? That's for lawyers who are anticipating a recovery. Lance's lawyers are not anticipating a recovery--they are fighting to prevent (or delay) other people from taking Lance's money. Contingency fees are for lawyers fighting to get a pot of gold. Lawyers on the other side of that battle don't get contingency fees--they just get paid. And, believe me, Tim Herman, et. al are getting paid.

Glad you're back, Hoggie.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I wish we knew what was brewing in the qui tam.

the most secretive and mysterious case on earth

Is there any speculation of duration or timeline regarding this?

The 'clinicians' are usually ahead of the pipeline

 

[MarkvW]

I wish we knew what was brewing in the qui tam.

the most secretive and mysterious case on earth

Is there any speculation of duration or timeline regarding this?

The 'clinicians' are usually ahead of the pipeline

My guess is discovery / investigation, and lots of it is going on right now. Millions of dollars at stake. Then we'll see the USA's summary judgment motion and all of the evidence is going to be put on display.

 

[thehog]

Contingency fee? That's for lawyers who are anticipating a recovery. Lance's lawyers are not anticipating a recovery--they are fighting to prevent (or delay) other people from taking Lance's money. Contingency fees are for lawyers fighting to get a pot of gold. Lawyers on the other side of that battle don't get contingency fees--they just get paid. And, believe me, Tim Herman, et. al are getting paid.

Glad you're back, Hoggie.

Thank-you.

No chance Tim Herman is being paid for filing paper work. The man made his cut (contingency on round one) and got rich. He's not exposed. He doesn't need Lance's money or what's left of it.

This one is on the house.

 

[MarkvW]

Thank-you.

No chance Tim Herman is being paid for filing paper work. The man made his cut and got rich. He's not exposed. He doesn't need Lance's money or what's left of it.

This one is one the house.

As Latrell Sprewell once said, a man's got to feed his family.

 

[thehog]

As Latrell Sprewell once said, a man's got to feed his family.

You seen his suits? I'm not sure he spent any of that money. And he's filing paper work. Paralegal duties. There's no billing going on here.

If you put yourself in Armstrong shoes, why you would pay what was essentially free money?

You wouldn't. Make them come and get it and make them trip over themselves why they're doing it. And certainly to the point they get nervous and accept less.

I mean Bob made a very unintelligent bet once, who's to say he won't do it again?

 

[Race Radio]

Someone clearly has not read the appeals that were filed. Well written, on point, not something done by a intern or pretend lawyer who got their degree from Google. Much more then "paper work"

Which makes this even stranger. Lance is burning $$$ to fight this. His legal is spending time on this and as he continues to lose he is paying Bob's guys to fight it as well. Odd, very odd.

Sometimes when you have a terrible client that you are sick of the best thing to do is exactly what the customer wants.

 

[Alpe73]

What money is he burning?

Welcome back, Hog.

 

[Alpe73]

... is scrambling so hard to maintain social relevance ....

Even after all this, probably still more relevant than the last two winners of the TDF. Batsh1t crazy world. So it goes.

 

[red_flanders]

How a real champion changes a flat

http://9wmag.com/2014/04/29/flat/

Good stuff. Good site too, thanks for sharing.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Another Reilly interview to tell everyone how alright he is with himself?

Hey pal, he's a champion. It's the rest of the world with the problem.

WE don't understand the situation because we are not champions or worshiping him appropriately. Fight Lance! Fight!

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The psychological descent is actually happening based on those quotes. He's heading into a denial phase now pretending he's indifferent. Oldman's prognostication he "finds God." is in play maybe a decade out at this pace.

 

[Benotti69]

Even after all this, probably still more relevant than the last two winners of the TDF. Batsh1t crazy world. So it goes.

Armstrong more relevant to what? Narcissism, sociopathy, doping, what?

 

[ebandit]

relavant

Even after all this, probably still more relevant than the last two winners of the TDF. Batsh1t crazy world. So it goes.

more relavant in the lance thread.................don't hold back tell us all you love
him

a crazy world where other riders have their own threads to knock them

Mark L

 

[gooner]

Weisel didn't know anything. He was fooled too.

Weisel was not named in the United States Anti-Doping Agency report, a scathing indictment of Armstrong and his teammates' conspiracy of doping. Allegations implicating Weisel - including by a team masseuse and by Armstrong himself - have not been substantiated, and Weisel has not been charged with wrongdoing.

"I knew nothing about what (Armstrong) was doing, and I'm extremely disappointed in him and everyone involved," Weisel said. "But I've been disappointed with a lot of people in life. I liked Lance. His training regimen was off the charts. I thought he was a gentleman of the utmost character, and he looked like a champion. It's just one more thing that you don't control, and you couldn't control. Life throws you curveballs."

Weisel went on, "I built some very fine investment banks. I helped a lot of people do some great things in the world. Cycling (and funding the U.S. team) was maybe a half a 1 percent of my life. I had nothing to do with the running of this team. I think they (the cyclists) didn't want me to know. They paid for their own drugs. They kept it to themselves. I was a sponsor. I helped finance it. I played that role. But I certainly don't define myself as that. I have a lot else going on in my life."

http://www.sfgate.com/art/article/Thomas-Weisel-high-finance-banker-high-quality-5450065.php?#page-1