Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Semper Fidelis]

THEY ALL made money. Athletes and the Corp. How anyone can not see that fact is beyond me.

Nike is a sell out company these days. Hard to stick to values a once in a life time B. Bowerman had. Even Pre would be pissed.

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

WASHINGTON (CN) — A federal judge ruled disgraced cyclist and whistleblower Floyd Landis cannot reopen Lance Armstrong's deposition about statements made in a documentary and cannot sue for false claims made more than 12 years ago.
Landis sued Armstrong, former U.S. Postal Service cycling team manager Johan Bruyneel and Armstrong's management company Tailwind Sports in Federal Court in 2010. The United States joined the $100 million lawsuit three years later, after Armstrong admitted to Oprah Winfrey that he used steroids and blood doping to win his record seven consecutive Tour de France victories.
Armstrong gave the interview after he was banned from the sport for life and stripped of his victories. Landis too was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France victory for doping.
Landis claims Bruyneel knew the team was using banned drugs and that Armstrong and Tailwind Sports, among others, knowingly flouted USPS sponsorship agreements signed in 1995 and 2000. Landis could receive up to 30 percent of any recovery as whistleblower.
On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Christopher R. Cooper rejected Landis' motion to compel the reopening of Armstrong's deposition about the authenticity of statements he made in the 2013 Sony-produced documentary "The Armstrong Lie."
Armstrong had told the court the documentary footage "does not accurately reflect the questions asked of him and the answers he gave." He said the content of the questions had been edited and that parts of questions were deleted.
Landis wanted to know what precise questions and answers in the video Armstrong disputes.
Cooper's four-page order said the court "will not require Armstrong to supplement his interrogatory response or to sit for further deposition time." The judge cited a 2004 opinion from an Ohio Federal Court that held videos in another case "fairly depict the actual events that took place" in spite of allegations of editing and deletions making it misleading.
The judge also refused to order Armstrong to identify alleged errors in his deposition transcript.
"[Landis] is equally able to identify discrepancies between the words actually uttered in the documentary and the text of a corresponding transcript," the order states. "If [Landis] wishes to include relevant portions of the transcript in his trial exhibits, the court expects him to ensure their accuracy. If necessary, Armstrong may object to the accuracy of [Landis'] transcript designations in advance of trial."
Cooper on Wednesday also denied Landis' motion to reconsider his earlier ruling that Landis cannot sue for false claims allegedly made prior to June 10, 2004. The judge had earlier ruled that tolling provisions under the False Claims Act do not apply to Landis' claims that the government has not intervened in.
"Because the government had not intervened...the court concluded that [Landis] could recover against them only for allegedly false claims submitted on or after June 10, 2004 — not on or after June 10, 2000, as the tolling provision would have allowed," a seven-page order states.
Cooper rejected Landis' citing of two U.S. Supreme Court rulings, concluding the first "is but a variation" of an earlier argument Cooper rejected, according to the order.
He ruled the second cited case is "equally unavailing" as it relies heavily on a previous case from his district with an approach that was "ultimately rejected."

http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/06/10/cyclist-dealt-setbacks-in-whistleblower-case.htm

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

WASHINGTON (CN) — A federal judge ruled disgraced cyclist and whistleblower Floyd Landis cannot reopen Lance Armstrong's deposition about statements made in a documentary and cannot sue for false claims made more than 12 years ago.
Landis sued Armstrong, former U.S. Postal Service cycling team manager Johan Bruyneel and Armstrong's management company Tailwind Sports in Federal Court in 2010. The United States joined the $100 million lawsuit three years later, after Armstrong admitted to Oprah Winfrey that he used steroids and blood doping to win his record seven consecutive Tour de France victories.
Armstrong gave the interview after he was banned from the sport for life and stripped of his victories. Landis too was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France victory for doping.
Landis claims Bruyneel knew the team was using banned drugs and that Armstrong and Tailwind Sports, among others, knowingly flouted USPS sponsorship agreements signed in 1995 and 2000. Landis could receive up to 30 percent of any recovery as whistleblower.
On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Christopher R. Cooper rejected Landis' motion to compel the reopening of Armstrong's deposition about the authenticity of statements he made in the 2013 Sony-produced documentary "The Armstrong Lie."
Armstrong had told the court the documentary footage "does not accurately reflect the questions asked of him and the answers he gave." He said the content of the questions had been edited and that parts of questions were deleted.
Landis wanted to know what precise questions and answers in the video Armstrong disputes.
Cooper's four-page order said the court "will not require Armstrong to supplement his interrogatory response or to sit for further deposition time." The judge cited a 2004 opinion from an Ohio Federal Court that held videos in another case "fairly depict the actual events that took place" in spite of allegations of editing and deletions making it misleading.
The judge also refused to order Armstrong to identify alleged errors in his deposition transcript.
"[Landis] is equally able to identify discrepancies between the words actually uttered in the documentary and the text of a corresponding transcript," the order states. "If [Landis] wishes to include relevant portions of the transcript in his trial exhibits, the court expects him to ensure their accuracy. If necessary, Armstrong may object to the accuracy of [Landis'] transcript designations in advance of trial."
Cooper on Wednesday also denied Landis' motion to reconsider his earlier ruling that Landis cannot sue for false claims allegedly made prior to June 10, 2004. The judge had earlier ruled that tolling provisions under the False Claims Act do not apply to Landis' claims that the government has not intervened in.
"Because the government had not intervened...the court concluded that [Landis] could recover against them only for allegedly false claims submitted on or after June 10, 2004 — not on or after June 10, 2000, as the tolling provision would have allowed," a seven-page order states.
Cooper rejected Landis' citing of two U.S. Supreme Court rulings, concluding the first "is but a variation" of an earlier argument Cooper rejected, according to the order.
He ruled the second cited case is "equally unavailing" as it relies heavily on a previous case from his district with an approach that was "ultimately rejected."

http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/06/10/cyclist-dealt-setbacks-in-whistle blower-case.htm

Not good news for the dirty dozen. Hope they can sleep at night considering how the sport is still rife with cheats. Good luck y'all with the fun and games. Maybe you might need a crawfish boil.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

WASHINGTON (CN) — A federal judge ruled disgraced cyclist and whistleblower Floyd Landis cannot reopen Lance Armstrong's deposition about statements made in a documentary and cannot sue for false claims made more than 12 years ago.
Landis sued Armstrong, former U.S. Postal Service cycling team manager Johan Bruyneel and Armstrong's management company Tailwind Sports in Federal Court in 2010. The United States joined the $100 million lawsuit three years later, after Armstrong admitted to Oprah Winfrey that he used steroids and blood doping to win his record seven consecutive Tour de France victories.
Armstrong gave the interview after he was banned from the sport for life and stripped of his victories. Landis too was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France victory for doping.
Landis claims Bruyneel knew the team was using banned drugs and that Armstrong and Tailwind Sports, among others, knowingly flouted USPS sponsorship agreements signed in 1995 and 2000. Landis could receive up to 30 percent of any recovery as whistleblower.
On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Christopher R. Cooper rejected Landis' motion to compel the reopening of Armstrong's deposition about the authenticity of statements he made in the 2013 Sony-produced documentary "The Armstrong Lie."
Armstrong had told the court the documentary footage "does not accurately reflect the questions asked of him and the answers he gave." He said the content of the questions had been edited and that parts of questions were deleted.
Landis wanted to know what precise questions and answers in the video Armstrong disputes.
Cooper's four-page order said the court "will not require Armstrong to supplement his interrogatory response or to sit for further deposition time." The judge cited a 2004 opinion from an Ohio Federal Court that held videos in another case "fairly depict the actual events that took place" in spite of allegations of editing and deletions making it misleading.
The judge also refused to order Armstrong to identify alleged errors in his deposition transcript.
"[Landis] is equally able to identify discrepancies between the words actually uttered in the documentary and the text of a corresponding transcript," the order states. "If [Landis] wishes to include relevant portions of the transcript in his trial exhibits, the court expects him to ensure their accuracy. If necessary, Armstrong may object to the accuracy of [Landis'] transcript designations in advance of trial."
Cooper on Wednesday also denied Landis' motion to reconsider his earlier ruling that Landis cannot sue for false claims allegedly made prior to June 10, 2004. The judge had earlier ruled that tolling provisions under the False Claims Act do not apply to Landis' claims that the government has not intervened in.
"Because the government had not intervened...the court concluded that [Landis] could recover against them only for allegedly false claims submitted on or after June 10, 2004 — not on or after June 10, 2000, as the tolling provision would have allowed," a seven-page order states.
Cooper rejected Landis' citing of two U.S. Supreme Court rulings, concluding the first "is but a variation" of an earlier argument Cooper rejected, according to the order.
He ruled the second cited case is "equally unavailing" as it relies heavily on a previous case from his district with an approach that was "ultimately rejected."

http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/06/10/cyclist-dealt-setbacks-in-whistleblower-case.htm

Forget about this. It is all systems go at the high altitude House of Landis. T-minus 14 days. SI interview in the can. Bloomberg on deck.

 

[Walkman]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

I don't know if this has been debated and made clear in the past but did we ever get any insight in whether or not Armstrong was tipped off before "surprise tests"?

Found this link and realized I never got a definitive answer back when *** hit the fan. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021203304

 

[sniper]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

I don't know if this has been debated and made clear in the past but did we ever get any insight in whether or not Armstrong was tipped off before "surprise tests"?

Found this link and realized I never got a definitive answer back when **** hit the fan. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021203304

I remember something about Astana 2009 TdF being tipped off.
Others might recall better/more than me.

But rest assured that we still know only a fraction of what really went on - and goes on - behind the scenes in terms of doping and avoiding positives.

 

[This Charming Man]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/06/11/armstrong-rides-kalamazoo/85756552/ muff said

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/06/11/armstrong-rides-kalamazoo/85756552/ muff said

Jeez, Armstrong would barely ride with people who paid 50,000$s for the 'privilege'..........times change

 

[Bosco10]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/06/11/armstrong-rides-kalamazoo/85756552/ muff said

Jeez, Armstrong would barely ride with people who paid 50,000$s for the 'privilege'..........times change

LOL.. the shifting dynamics of a totally disgraced "champion'" and his PR.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

In other news...the History Channel is producing a new show tentatively titled "Evil Genius." It is planned that one of the episodes will have a segment about Lance Armstrong.

I don't think they will mention that doping in cycling was an open secret and all the other riders were doing the same thing. I am pretty sure they have already offered Betsy a chance to do her Martyr for Truth act that she has spent so much time practicing.

T-Minus 13 days.

 

[Pazuzu]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

I don't know if this has been debated and made clear in the past but did we ever get any insight in whether or not Armstrong was tipped off before "surprise tests"?

Found this link and realized I never got a definitive answer back when **** hit the fan. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021203304

Of course he was being tipped off. But it's not in his interests to divulge this as it contradicts his 'level playing' argument. Funny how Hamilton, Landis and Contador all got busted for doping after they no longer had the protection of riding on one of Armstrong's team.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/06/11/armstrong-rides-kalamazoo/85756552/ muff said

One of the comments is exactly right. Taking the focus off of them and instead bringing it on himself is selfish.

How much is genuine goodwill and how much the hard-wired Wonderboy looking for a PR opportunity? I don't think even Wonderboy knows.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

I don't know if this has been debated and made clear in the past but did we ever get any insight in whether or not Armstrong was tipped off before "surprise tests"?

Found this link and realized I never got a definitive answer back when **** hit the fan. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021203304

The UCI (an anti-doping authority that is ordering tests) knows beforehand who is being tested. They choose the athletes to test. Whomever does the choosing based on WADA's recommendations probably doesn't do it in isolation.

Plenty of opportunity for many to have advanced knowledge of testing in the current system. Plenty of examples of athletes dodging tests.

 

[Pazuzu]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

In other news...the History Channel is producing a new show tentatively titled "Evil Genius." It is planned that one of the episodes will have a segment about Lance Armstrong.

I don't think they will mention that doping in cycling was an open secret and all the other riders were doing the same thing.

Nor will they mention that when it came to doping, certain riders (one actually) were more equal than the others.

 

[thehog]

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A sideline... thought it was interesting in relation for 2011.

Law360, New York (June 20, 2016, 10:22 AM ET) -- The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday ruled that the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act does not apply to conduct outside the United States, ending the European Union’s money laundering suit against RJR Nabisco.

The high court ruled in a 4-3 opinion that the RICO statute’s effectiveness stops at the U.S. border, overturning an April 2014 ruling in the Second Circuit that revived the European Union’s case against the tobacco and food giant.

Nabisco argued in its petition for a writ of certiorari that the Second

http://www.law360.com/banking/articles/798475?nl_pk=e3da7fde-da47-4787-a3a0-657395f3127e&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=banking

 

[thehog]

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Armstrong, the seven-time Tour de France winner who was stripped of his victories in 2012 after a doping scandal, launched a new podcast today.

The first episode of “The Forward Podcast with Lance Armstrong” features an interview with Tim League, founder and CEO of the Austin-based Alamo Drafthouse chain of movie theaters.
Armstrong and League talk movies, current events and riding bikes across the Rocky Mountains in the episode, which was taped last week in Colorado.

:lol:

 

[This Charming Man]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/06/11/armstrong-rides-kalamazoo/85756552/ muff said

One of the comments is exactly right. Taking the focus off of them and instead bringing it on himself is selfish.

How much is genuine goodwill and how much the hard-wired Wonderboy looking for a PR opportunity? I don't think even Wonderboy knows.

No sponsors, I guess, Lance has left a few victories under his belt...I imagine the folks in Kalamazoo, felt good having the ride,w/Armstrong. The great thing, about Armstrong riding the ride, is bringing attention to auto vs. cyclist, not a pretty picture, God bless the friends and relatives of the victims. Lance seemed pretty genuine.

 

[thehog]

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Trouble abound...

A legal feud between Lance Armstrong and a Dallas company that paid him bonuses for three of his Tour de France triumphs spawned a confidential settlement in September, but a public record filed in Aspen this week sheds some light on the agreement that the cyclist says was for $10 million.

A $5 million deed of trust originally was notarized Sept. 16 in Travis County, Texas, as part of Armstrong’s settlement with SCA Promotions, a sports insurance firm. It was filed Monday in the Pitkin County Clerk and Recorder’s Office and says the settlement with SCA Promotions included Armstrong’s agreement to pay $800,000 by Oct. 31, $2.1 million by March 1 and the remaining $2.1 million by March 1, 2017.

SCA Promotions filed the deed, which uses Armstrong’s Aspen home in the West End neighborhood as collateral in the event he doesn’t satisfy his scheduled payments.

“When we settled the case, it was for $10 million and they wanted collateral, like a bank, so we put the Aspen home up as collateral in the chance that I didn’t pay,” Armstrong said Tuesday from Austin, Texas.

Armstrong said he is current on his payments for what he said is a $10 million settlement. He said he owes SCA roughly $2 million.

“They’re getting their money,” he said, noting he has no plans to leave Aspen or sell his home.

“I’m not going anywhere,” he said. “Down the road, we might move there full time.”

Less clear is why the deed of trust was filed this week in Aspen.

“That was executed at the time of the settlement in order to make sure it was collateralized,” said one of Armstrong’s attorneys, Sean E. Breen of Austin. “They’re just getting around to filing it now. But it doesn’t change anything.”

Dallas attorney Jeffrey M. Tillotson, the lead attorney for SCA Promotions in its litigation with Armstrong, declined to comment about the filing because of what was deemed a confidential settlement when it was struck in September.

Armstrong’s Aspen residence is a 5,816-square-foot duplex and is listed under the name of 8th One, an Austin-based limited liability company. The names of both Armstrong and 8th One — a play off of the seven Tour de Frances Armstrong won before they were stripped away from him — are listed on the deed of trust.

Full story: http://www.aspentimes.com/news/22584766-113/lance-armstrongs-aspen-home-collateral-in-lawsuit-settlement

“While the terms of the settlement are confidential, I can say that the settlement was mutually acceptable to all parties,” Armstrong said in a statement at the time. “I am pleased to have this matter behind me, and I look forward to moving on. I do wish to personally apologize to SCA and its CEO, Bob Hamman, for any past misconduct on my part in connection with our dispute and the resulting arbitration.”

Armstrong, when talking to The Aspen Times on Tuesday, said he had hoped the SCA litigation was behind him.

“I’m very surprised I’m getting questions about SCA, but it is what it is,” he said.

 

[Benotti69]

8th One, I bet that was a surprise when it never materialised......

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

The interesting aspect here is that Armstrong settled with a payment plan. So even win SCA gets $10m back after 10 years its only being paid back in non-interest installments.

 

[86TDFWinner]

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The interesting aspect here is that Armstrong settled with a payment plan. So even win SCA gets $10m back after 10 years its only being paid back in non-interest installments.

All by design I'm sure. If anyone here believes Wonderboy is destitute & can't pay his Bill's or doesn't have the money, they're delusional & CLUELESS.

He's got millions in the bank(& most likely hidden elsewhere). He loves to play the "I'm broke card" all the time.

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

The interesting aspect here is that Armstrong settled with a payment plan. So even win SCA gets $10m back after 10 years its only being paid back in non-interest installments.

All by design I'm sure. Of anyone here believes Wonderboy is destitute & can't pay his Bill's or doesn't have the money, they're delusional & CLUELESS.

He's got millions in the bank(& most likely hidden elsewhere). He lives to play the "I'm broke card" all the time.

It's is the norm to structure a settlement in this fashion, no one ever pays up in one installment unless under $100,000. Often people have to loan the payments or don't have the the amount in cash, hence why it's accepted.

SCA got mightily stiffed on the deal but at least was some recovery.

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

The interesting aspect here is that Armstrong settled with a payment plan. So even win SCA gets $10m back after 10 years its only being paid back in non-interest installments.

All by design I'm sure. Of anyone here believes Wonderboy is destitute & can't pay his Bill's or doesn't have the money, they're delusional & CLUELESS.

He's got millions in the bank(& most likely hidden elsewhere). He lives to play the "I'm broke card" all the time.

It's is the norm to structure a settlement in this fashion, no one ever pays up in one installment unless under $100,000. Often people have to loan the payments or don't have the the amount in cash, hence why it's accepted.

SCA got mightily stiffed on the deal but at least was some recovery.

Consensual liens are much more golden than judgment liens in bankruptcy. Makes creditors more secure.

 

[Benotti69]

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....missing the days when the lance thread was...more cycling...than wall street

Mark L

The Armstrong thread was little cycling, lots of narcissism, bullying, cheating, fraud, doping, more narcissism, more bullying and lots of ranting. A lot like the man himself.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

WASHINGTON (CN) — A federal judge ruled disgraced cyclist and whistleblower Floyd Landis cannot reopen Lance Armstrong's deposition about statements made in a documentary and cannot sue for false claims made more than 12 years ago.
Landis sued Armstrong, former U.S. Postal Service cycling team manager Johan Bruyneel and Armstrong's management company Tailwind Sports in Federal Court in 2010. The United States joined the $100 million lawsuit three years later, after Armstrong admitted to Oprah Winfrey that he used steroids and blood doping to win his record seven consecutive Tour de France victories.
Armstrong gave the interview after he was banned from the sport for life and stripped of his victories. Landis too was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France victory for doping.
Landis claims Bruyneel knew the team was using banned drugs and that Armstrong and Tailwind Sports, among others, knowingly flouted USPS sponsorship agreements signed in 1995 and 2000. Landis could receive up to 30 percent of any recovery as whistleblower.
On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Christopher R. Cooper rejected Landis' motion to compel the reopening of Armstrong's deposition about the authenticity of statements he made in the 2013 Sony-produced documentary "The Armstrong Lie."
Armstrong had told the court the documentary footage "does not accurately reflect the questions asked of him and the answers he gave." He said the content of the questions had been edited and that parts of questions were deleted.
Landis wanted to know what precise questions and answers in the video Armstrong disputes.
Cooper's four-page order said the court "will not require Armstrong to supplement his interrogatory response or to sit for further deposition time." The judge cited a 2004 opinion from an Ohio Federal Court that held videos in another case "fairly depict the actual events that took place" in spite of allegations of editing and deletions making it misleading.
The judge also refused to order Armstrong to identify alleged errors in his deposition transcript.
"[Landis] is equally able to identify discrepancies between the words actually uttered in the documentary and the text of a corresponding transcript," the order states. "If [Landis] wishes to include relevant portions of the transcript in his trial exhibits, the court expects him to ensure their accuracy. If necessary, Armstrong may object to the accuracy of [Landis'] transcript designations in advance of trial."
Cooper on Wednesday also denied Landis' motion to reconsider his earlier ruling that Landis cannot sue for false claims allegedly made prior to June 10, 2004. The judge had earlier ruled that tolling provisions under the False Claims Act do not apply to Landis' claims that the government has not intervened in.
"Because the government had not intervened...the court concluded that [Landis] could recover against them only for allegedly false claims submitted on or after June 10, 2004 — not on or after June 10, 2000, as the tolling provision would have allowed," a seven-page order states.
Cooper rejected Landis' citing of two U.S. Supreme Court rulings, concluding the first "is but a variation" of an earlier argument Cooper rejected, according to the order.
He ruled the second cited case is "equally unavailing" as it relies heavily on a previous case from his district with an approach that was "ultimately rejected."

http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/06/10/cyclist-dealt-setbacks-in-whistleblower-case.htm

Forget about this. It is all systems go at the high altitude House of Landis. T-minus 14 days. SI interview in the can. Bloomberg on deck.

So Floyd's now a drug dealer? Okay. Whatever. Not sure why you wanted to hype this.

John Swanson