Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[veganrob]

Wow. Remind me not to post. Are you sure you don't mean drivvle?

Good bye then.

And it's drivel.

 

[Andynonomous]

US vs Europe

A different opinion on USA vs Europe.


http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/89138/lance-armstrong-doping-drugs-allegations-american-exceptionalism

 

[ChrisE]

I don't post much but do enjoy reading the seemingly prophetic and insightful information as well as speculation as posted by RR and hog.

What I'm confused about is why some continue to respond to posts from many who appear to be trolling or in the "paid with an agenda" camp. It's so painfully clear what their intentions are with every duck, cover, diffuse, confuse, "they all did it so let's talk about Indurain" posts.

Polish sounds as if they can't get the apron off long enough to study enough about cycling history and google enough LA facts to respond in a passive aggressive diffuse manner in the time since hired.

ChrisE's posts and arguments just plain read like a psuedonym for Richard that ends in ick.

Then we have the regurgitants such as flckr, gree, andy, uspostal, et al who are just trolling or are truly the Jamie's of this world.

What I see is that they will most certainly not change the minds of many here who despite what appears to be a personal dislike for LA, are clear headed and sensible people.

Are you all going to continue to allow them to waste your time responding to the ridiculous dribble that they continue to re-incarnate?
How about spending time responding to posters, even those who are LA fans, who actually have intelligent questions or can post without such a clear agenda of obfuscation?

Even though I have all those above on my ignore list, some of you quote them. As a result of that, I don't see every post they write except for those quoted.

What I do see is that every post they write is just plain bad and with an agenda-some more subtle than others-to put it lightly. The pattern of "FL, TH, etc are liars worthless, there's no evidence, OH! but I agree with you here and there, but here's more crap" is evident in every single one I've read.

How about not engaging them so often or even at all on each and every one of their useless posts?

Just my 2 cents.

The www is a great place, where great minds such as yourself can inflict your intelligence on the rubes and 'richards' of the world. Thanks for posting this highly enlightening diatribe.

Somebody, please quote this reply so hitchey can read it, and thus can feel my appreciation. Thanks.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

you give a skewed impression to the outside world-the gen public. Anyone reading the clinic would infer the doping probs relate to one person when YOU KNOW they don't.

Who said it was the responsibility of the clinic to educate the non-cycling folks on doping. The CN forum is made up of people who ride and watch racing. As I suggested before take the torch and start some new threads on other dopers. This thread is about Gunderson the biggest fraud in the history of sports any sport that is. If you have a hard time with that why do you frustrate yourself and participate ?

 

[Exroadman24902]

Again you are confused. This has moved far beyond doping

no bro, not confused. We know most were at, and probably lance too. You anti-doping warriors get mighty upset when not everyone wants to pick on a lone doper

 

[Stingray34]

no bro, not confused. We know most were at, and probably lance too. You anti-doping warriors get mighty upset when not everyone wants to pick on a lone doper

So, if everyone's guilty no one's guilty?

Scoundrels' logic.

 

[Exroadman24902]

So, if everyone's guilty no one's guilty?

Scoundrels' logic.

it's how it seems to have been. Take Rooks, who said he'd stop for 10 minutes at the road side to put Delgado back into yellow, if they'd hit Pedro with the penalty Theunisse got. These guys were dopers but they had a code of honour too. And they still do. Not all scoundrels

 

[ChrisE]

it's how it seems to have been. Take Rooks, who said he'd stop for 10 minutes at the road side to put Delgado back into yellow, if they'd hit Pedro with the penalty Theunisse got. These guys were dopers but they had a code of honour too. And they still do. Not all scoundrels

Yes, but they were so confused back then taking stuff that offered no benefit.

 

[Kennf1]

Gerard Vroomen's (Cervelo) comments on the state of affairs. I've always liked his public statements about the doping issue. Much more straight forward than the riders on his bikes. Imagine the CEOs of Trek or Specialized saying these things.

http://gerard.cc/2011/05/30/public-apology/

 

[thirteen]

Hitchey, this is for you

The www is a great place, where great minds such as yourself can inflict your intelligence on the rubes and 'richards' of the world. Thanks for posting this highly enlightening diatribe.

Somebody, please quote this reply so hitchey can read it, and thus can feel my appreciation. Thanks.

 

[Stingray34]

it's how it seems to have been. Take Rooks, who said he'd stop for 10 minutes at the road side to put Delgado back into yellow, if they'd hit Pedro with the penalty Theunisse got. These guys were dopers but they had a code of honour too. And they still do. Not all scoundrels

You're quite skillful at limiting the terms of your argument to the doping question. The issues that set Armstrong apart from Riis, Indurain, Rominger, Jalabert, Contador, Theunisse, et al is that the former did a whole lot more than falsify the results a sporting event.

Novitsky will establish Armstrong's doping as a mere pretext to his alleged trafficking, distribution, fraud, tax evasion, etc, etc.

 

[Exroadman24902]

You're quite skillful at limiting the terms of your argument to the doping question. The issues that set Armstrong apart from Riis, Indurain, Rominger, Jalabert, Contador, Theunisse, et al is that the former did a whole lot more than falsify the results a sporting event.

Novitsky will establish Armstrong's doping as a mere pretext to his alleged trafficking, distribution, fraud, tax evasion, etc, etc.

time will tell..

 

[ChrisE]

Hitchey, this is for you

Thanks thirteen. I see you are falling under my spell, else you would have me on ignore like the smart guys like hitchy (rhymes with...).

It never ceases to amaze me when somebody puts that much effort into chastising people with different opinions, and firmly clamps their hands over their ears with the ignore feature. Though I may disagree at times with people, there is always room for learning and respect for differing opinions. When people start thinking they know it all is when it is obvious they don't.

 

[jackwolf]

Trial in France?

I just have a quick question.
I have very little confidence in the jury system and a lot of confidence in the obfuscation skills of expensive lawyers. If somehow Armstrong gets off the hook in the USA (or agrees to a plea deal as some have suggested), is there any chance he could be extradited to other countries--France, for example--to stand trial before a judge (rather than a jury) for crimes committed in those countries? I know there is a lot more to this investigation than doping, but my understanding is while doping is not a criminal offence in the USA, it IS a criminal matter in France, right? So could he stand trial in the USA for perjury, fraud, tax evasion, etc, and then after that be extradited to France for a trial on doping charges? Perhaps one of the legal experts on this forum could enlighten me on this one.
On a side note, the "witness"-that-didn't-see-anything line of defence is simply comical. It shows just how desperate the Lance defenders have become.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

time will tell..

Yes it will. And will you still be posting here post-indictment?

 

[ChrisE]

Yes it will. And will you still be posting here post-indictment?

Actually I think it would be interesting if we all bet accounts on this. If he skates the haters leave, if he goes down the fanboys leave. But then it would no longer be fun.

 

[Polish]

This will be interesting. Certainly the Feds have dug up a lot of information but will likely only file charges if they know they can get a conviction. It would be interesting to see all of the stuff they don't use.

In the Barry Bonds case, 93% of the indictments failed.
15 indictments were handed down.
5 made it to trial.
1 guilty verdict delivered on 1 of those 15 indictments.

Yes, the Feds got their conviction.
After spending 10's of millions of dollars

I expect the Feds to follow the same plan with Lance.
File 20-30 indictments and hope they get a conviction somewhere along the line.
What a waste.

Unless they were there at the same time and place as those saying they saw him dope, it really doesn't prove much of anything. Those ten will be ripped apart on cross-examination.

In the Barry Bonds case, the Feds had only one witness who testified that she saw Barry dope.
One witness. No corroborating witness.

And that One Witness was cross examined pretty brutally.
But that one tearful witness convinced all jurors except the fangirl.

Lance will be on shaky ground with 10 witnessess.

Therefore, the key for Lance's lawyers is NOT in the cross-examination of all those riders (some tearful) that saw Lance dope.

The key will be to get at least ONE fangirl/fanboy on the jury.
The jury selection process will be THE most important part of the trial.
Luckily, fangirls/fanboys have a secret sign.
Hopefully Lance's lawyers are aware of the secret sign wink wink.

No, the secret sign is NOT a "wink wink" lol.
Like I would tell you guys what the secret sign is sheesh.
Flicker knows it though.

 

[Exroadman24902]

Yes it will. And will you still be posting here post-indictment?

why wouldn't I be?

 

[ChrisE]

....Therefore, the key for Lance's lawyers is NOT in the cross-examination of all those riders (some tearful) that saw Lance dope.

The key will be to get at least ONE fangirl/fanboy on the jury.
The jury selection process will be THE most important part of the trial.Luckily, fangirls/fanboys have a secret sign.
Hopefully Lance's lawyers are aware of the secret sign wink wink.
....

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner.

 

[Polish]

why wouldn't I be?

Exactly, I'm with you.
The post-indictment celebration party is NOT to be missed.

 

[Polish]

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner.

Ixnay on the "ding ding ding" fcol.
The eagle has landed. The eagle has landed.
Ducks fly at midnite kapeesh?

 

[Race Radio]

Troll Babble

You are under the misguided assumption that the Armstrong case has anything to do with the Bonds case. It does not but if it helps you maintain hope then by all means keep pretending it does.

 

[DISTRICT 9]

I just have a quick question.
I have very little confidence in the jury system and a lot of confidence in the obfuscation skills of expensive lawyers. If somehow Armstrong gets off the hook in the USA (or agrees to a plea deal as some have suggested), is there any chance he could be extradited to other countries--France, for example--to stand trial before a judge (rather than a jury) for crimes committed in those countries? I know there is a lot more to this investigation than doping, but my understanding is while doping is not a criminal offence in the USA, it IS a criminal matter in France, right? So could he stand trial in the USA for perjury, fraud, tax evasion, etc, and then after that be extradited to France for a trial on doping charges? Perhaps one of the legal experts on this forum could enlighten me on this one.
On a side note, the "witness"-that-didn't-see-anything line of defence is simply comical. It shows just how desperate the Lance defenders have become.

I think it would be quite embarrassing for the French government to extradite and prosecute Armstrong on any charges.
Example:1999,Armstrong sensitive area cream. OKed by Tour officials.
Bernard Thevenet"s 2 Tour wins, sponsored by Peugeot motors, bicycles.
Admitted steroid user.
Richard Virenque, EPO, user mountains leader 5X, TdF Polka-Dot.
Jacque Anquetil 5X Tour De France Amphetamine user.
Roman Polanski, ex patriot Polish-American citizen, protected by the French government.
No, way the French Government could ever extradite American Cycling Icon, 7X Tour Winner Armstrong.
Extraditing Armstrong would cause way to much scandal for the French Cycling Sponsors, cycling associations, and French Government.

 

[ChrisE]

You are under the misguided assumption that the Armstrong case has anything to do with the Bonds case. It does not but if it helps you maintain hope then by all means keep pretending it does.

And you are under the misguided assumption that celebrity defendants don't get away with shyt. You assume there will be no "fanboys" on the jury. You assume LA's lawyers are a bunch of idiots, and the Feds are the smartest kids in the room. Slam dunk, etc.

If it helps you to maintain hope then by all means keep pretending it does.

 

[Race Radio]

And you are under the misguided assumption that celebrity defendants don't get away with shyt. You assume there will be no "fanboys" on the jury. You assume LA's lawyers are a bunch of idiots, and the Feds are the smartest kids in the room. Slam dunk, etc.

If it helps you to maintain hope then by all means keep pretending it does.

Given the mountains of evidence in the Armstrong case it is hardly misguided.

Fanboy's on the jury will not matter as this will never go to trial.