Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Cloxxki]

Everyone wins, except people with cancer....they get nothing.

Doesn't change anything if they never did. Its the(ir) thought that counts. They never got much out of the awesomecancerchamp, but a false sense of hope inspiration which they could have gotten from some other cancer survivors turned Olympic champs if they'd bothered to hear about them. At no charge at all.

Preaching to the choir here, but IMO cancer really is being over-exposed in relation to sports, for the amount of actual improvement of life quality and research it brings. Lot ado about nothing. Rendering all other illnesses and reasons for human despair being monopolized out of the sports goodwill pool.

 

[D-Queued]

It is called an "In Kind" Contribution. Like most things Armstrong it smells.

The owners donate the naming rights. They overvalue it at $7.5 million and get a big tax break. Livestrong gets to claim that their donations are way up this year despite the doping controversies....something Wonderboy has been babbling every chance he gets.

Everyone wins, except people with cancer....they get nothing.

Thanks RR. Obvious, now, in hindsight.

Couldn't figure out the angle. KC gets sponsorship money for its stadium from Uncle Sam, when presumably nobody else would cough up real cash.

Maybe they could just re-dub it USPS stadium.

Dave.

 

[jackwolf]

Preaching to the choir here, but IMO cancer really is being over-exposed in relation to sports, for the amount of actual improvement of life quality and research it brings. Lot ado about nothing. Rendering all other illnesses and reasons for human despair being monopolized out of the sports goodwill pool.

Exactly: cancer is no more deserving of attention (awareness) than any other source of misery in life: malaria, AIDS, hunger, poverty, depression, etc, etc, etc. Each one of them naturally attracts an amount of attention (awareness) directly proportional to the amount of misery it causes. Spending all our energy, or a disproportionate amount of it, on just one of these sources of misery (cancer, for example) and therefore stealing resources from the rest is a suboptimal solution to the relief of human misery. It's simple economics. Awareness raising of ANY cause is wasteful for two reasons:
1) It's a drain of resources
2) It makes us deviate from the naturally optimal allocation of resources.

 

[Race Radio]

Wonderboy and Tyler Hamilton bumped into each other at Cache Cache in Aspen earlier tonight and "Had words"

Wonder if Haven's name came up?

 

[Anti-doping]

"the pharmstrong-obsession"

Wonderboy and Tyler Hamilton bumped into each other at Cache Cache in Aspen earlier tonight and "Had words"

Wonder if Haven's name came up?

Wow, just been here (the clinic) for a couple of months, but man, some of you are obsessed with Pharmstrong. I'm all with you on the doping part....
But discussing if he had sex with that or that woman...if he's been drunk in a pub last night...

Your interest for Pharmstrongs privat life..
Insane..not healthy at all..

 

[Benotti69]

Wow, just been here (the clinic) for a couple of months, but man, some of you are obsessed with Pharmstrong. I'm all with you on the doping part....
But discussing if he had sex with that or that woman...if he's been drunk in a pub last night...

Your interest for Pharmstrongs privat life..
Insane..not healthy at all..

are you sure you are 'all with him on the doping part'.....

posting under the name Anti-doping and you still feel the need to post it?????

hardly the minutiae of Armstrong's private life, when he meets TH probably for the first time after TH being on 60 mins spilling the beans.

 

[thehog]

Wonderboy and Tyler Hamilton bumped into each other at Cache Cache in Aspen earlier tonight and "Had words"

Wonder if Haven's name came up?

They actually met before the 60 minutes interview. Tyler is strong. Lance offered a Livestrong connection to Tyler's fitness company.

 

[thehog]

Exactly: cancer is no more deserving of attention (awareness) than any other source of misery in life: malaria, AIDS, hunger, poverty, depression, etc, etc, etc. Each one of them naturally attracts an amount of attention (awareness) directly proportional to the amount of misery it causes. Spending all our energy, or a disproportionate amount of it, on just one of these sources of misery (cancer, for example) and therefore stealing resources from the rest is a suboptimal solution to the relief of human misery. It's simple economics. Awareness raising of ANY cause is wasteful for two reasons:
1) It's a drain of resources
2) It makes us deviate from the naturally optimal allocation of resources.

Good post. Thank-you.

 

[jackwolf]

Good post. Thank-you.

No worries. Payback time, I suppose.

 

[sniper]

Exactly: cancer is no more deserving of attention (awareness) than any other source of misery in life: malaria, AIDS, hunger, poverty, depression, etc, etc, etc. Each one of them naturally attracts an amount of attention (awareness) directly proportional to the amount of misery it causes. Spending all our energy, or a disproportionate amount of it, on just one of these sources of misery (cancer, for example) and therefore stealing resources from the rest is a suboptimal solution to the relief of human misery. It's simple economics. Awareness raising of ANY cause is wasteful for two reasons:
1) It's a drain of resources
2) It makes us deviate from the naturally optimal allocation of resources.

yes, nice post, but I rather disagree with you on the part in bold.
Fabiani would say the exact same about the investigation into LA.
If awareness raising of any cause is wasteful, as you suggest, it is implied that we should close the Clinic and stop discussing doping.
(Of course, that is not what your post was meant to say, but the part in bold is too far-reaching, IMO).

 

[Anti-doping]

are you sure you are 'all with him on the doping part'.....

posting under the name Anti-doping and you still feel the need to post it?????

hardly the minutiae of Armstrong's private life, when he meets TH probably for the first time after TH being on 60 mins spilling the beans.

???
WTF are you talking about?

I'm interested to get all dopers out of the sport because I love pro-cycling. Couldn't care less about Pharmstrong or Contadope's private life.

Please let the clinic be a place to discuss (anti-)doping, and not about if Pharmstrong f***** Haven!
Get your priorities right!

 

[sniper]

???
WTF are you talking about?

I'm interested to get all dopers out of the sport because I love pro-cycling. Couldn't care less about Pharmstrong or Contadope's private life.

Please let the clinic be a place to discuss (anti-)doping, and not about if Pharmstrong f***** Haven!
Get your priorities right!

you're with the moral police?
let this forum be what it is.

if anyone goes too far off topic, the mods take care of it. so you can go to bed now.

I think the point is that if you couldn't care less, then why bother replying in the first place

 

[veganrob]

???
WTF are you talking about?

I'm interested to get all dopers out of the sport because I love pro-cycling. Couldn't care less about Pharmstrong or Contadope's private life.

Please let the clinic be a place to discuss (anti-)doping, and not about if Pharmstrong f***** Haven!
Get your priorities right!

Where was it mentioned about boinking Haven? Was it edited by mods?

Dude, get your mind out of Lances pants.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Wow, just been here (the clinic) for a couple of months, but man, some of you are obsessed with Pharmstrong. I'm all with you on the doping part....
But discussing if he had sex with that or that woman...if he's been drunk in a pub last night...

Your interest for Pharmstrongs privat life..
Insane..not healthy at all..

That would be you right?

With a name like 'Anti-doping' one would expect a strong and consistent argument on all dopers and practices - yet most of your posts are about Armstrong?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Wonderboy and Tyler Hamilton bumped into each other at Cache Cache in Aspen earlier tonight and "Had words"

Wonder if Haven's name came up?

I would think the interview would be up for a hot topic...LA looking for some inside info on the investigation ...?
interesting to see the facial expressions and body lang. in that conversation

 

[mewmewmew13]

They actually met before the 60 minutes interview. Tyler is strong. Lance offered a Livestrong connection to Tyler's fitness company.

excellent to hear that, thank you..

 

[Cimacoppi49]

???
WTF are you talking about?

I'm interested to get all dopers out of the sport because I love pro-cycling. Couldn't care less about Pharmstrong or Contadope's private life.

Please let the clinic be a place to discuss (anti-)doping, and not about if Pharmstrong f***** Haven!
Get your priorities right!

Agreed. Get all the dopers out. The point with Pharmstrong is that he's been one of the biggest doper/hypocrites in the sport for at least 20 years. I doubt the sport will ever be totally clean, but that doesn't mean dopers like him should be tolerated at any level.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

They actually met before the 60 minutes interview. Tyler is strong. Lance offered a Livestrong connection to Tyler's fitness company.

Sounds like obstruction and witness tampering. You would think that Lance's lawyers would have told him not to avoid contact with potential witness and under no circumstances offer them anything.

 

[ChrisE]

Sounds like obstruction and witness tampering. You would think that Lance's lawyers would have told him not to avoid contact with potential witness and under no circumstances offer them anything.

Yeah, but how long before the 60 minutes interview? I thought TH went before the GJ last summer.

Maybe the hog can make up some more stuff to clarify.

 

[ChrisE]

Where was it mentioned about boinking Haven? Was it edited by mods?

Dude, get your mind out of Lances pants.

What else do you think the previous poster was referring to when he mentioned Haven?

I actually am pretty interested in what went on there cuz I think it is pretty funny. But, I am sure any details anybody knows would be modded out. Back to doping.

 

[thehog]

What else do you think the previous poster was referring to when he mentioned Haven?

I actually am pretty interested in what went on there cuz I think it is pretty funny. But, I am sure any details anybody knows would be modded out. Back to doping.

http://cachecache.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

Scene of the crime.

Where Lance abused Ty - the witness.

 

[ChrisE]

http://cachecache.com/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

Scene of the crime.

Where Lance abused Ty - the witness.

Who was the witness? Does TH text Betsy real time play by play?

 

[thehog]

Who was the witness? Does TH text Betsy real time play by play?

Tough guy Lance showing off to the cancer crowd. There's nothing more heartwarming than seeing a multi-millionaire beat-up on the small guy. He's all class our hero Lance.

 

[ChrisE]

Tough guy Lance showing off to the cancer crowd. There's nothing more heartwarming than seeing a multi-millionaire beat-up on the small guy. He's all class our hero Lance.

Yeah, yeah. We get all of that.

I ask you upthread to clarify how long ago LA offered TH the livestrong thing for his company. You reply with a website of a restaurant where TH and LA got into it. So, I ask who the witness was you claim with the restaurant link.

Now you reply with this. WTF? Are you sniffing glue or liquid paper?

 

[thehog]

Yeah, yeah. We get all of that.

I ask you upthread to clarify how long ago LA offered TH the livestrong thing for his company. You reply with a website of a restaurant where TH and LA got into it. So, I ask who the witness was you claim with the restaurant link.

Now you reply with this. WTF? Are you sniffing glue or liquid paper?

Ty was in Austin last October.

Outside magazine was in the bar at the restaurant.

To your question. I sniff both... together.