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[cat6cx]

I could answer right back at you; nice try...but I'm here to discuss..
No one has applauded Frankie? Sure? Just asking..

I don't applaud Frankie for doping, but I certainly applaud Frankie for confessing and being honest about it.

I also don't find any moral contradiction to my posistion.

I'll applaud Lance if he comes forward and confesses and gives honest answers and information that help clean up the sport.

 

[Anonymous]

I could answer right back at you; nice try...but I'm here to discuss..
No one has applauded Frankie? Sure? Just asking..

Oh..... so close.

Again, nice try again. Point to where anyone applauds FA for doping. It should be very easy.

 

[thirteen]

I could answer right back at you; nice try...but I'm here to discuss..

discuss? lol!

it's your way or the highway

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would somebody please PM me when the troll, sock-puppet, or whatever is banned?

this thread is getting boresome with all this "discussion" going on.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I could answer right back at you; nice try...but I'm here to discuss..
No one has applauded Frankie? Sure? Just asking..

Yes I am sure - no-one has applauded Frankie for his doping.

 

[Anonymous]

Which kids, the ones he left, or his new and improved ones?

He's got two now from his babies momma.

 

[blackcat]

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[ultimobici]

So now speeding is on the same level as doping in sports. What a desperate crowd.

Whooooosh!!!!!

That's the sound of my point soaring over your head, sunshine!

My point was that the attitude of many posters here amounts to "Holier than thou" yet these very posters are likely just as morally compromised/challenged themselves.

FA did dope, for whatever reason be it peer pressure or some other factor. That he stopped and then, as another poster pointed out, confessed without provocation is to be applauded. It took a lot of courage to do that rather than keeping quiet and hoping no one noticed your wrongdoing.

Conversely, LA it seems is determined to deny to his last breath as well as continuing to intimidate potential witnesses & adversaries.

I have no time or pity for those that continue to play the public for fools but for the guy who puts his hands up and says "I broke the rules, I was wrong, I am sorry" I have plenty of time.

 

[Anti-doping]

Anti Doping, if you get an invite with LAnce to Ride for the Roses, they give him and his entourage a complimentary bottle of Cristal.

Don't be so obsessed about who I am..okay?
Let us discuss the topic instead? Okay?
(I)Just don't understand the need to defend dopers like Frankie. If you really care about anti-doping, you can't give some a carte blanche to dope because they uses less EPO then others.

 

[ultimobici]

I'll applaud Lance if he comes forward and confesses and gives honest answers and information that help clean up the sport.

I'll just nip down the bookies and place that bet on hell freezing over first!

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Leave the kids out of it. They are not to be discussed. Please consider this an official warning.

Susan

 

[ultimobici]

(I)Just don't understand the need to defend dopers like Frankie. If you really care about anti-doping, you can't give some a carte blanche to dope because they uses less EPO then others.

It's not about doping less at all. It's about having the balls to actually own up, without the threat of prison time, to you actions. FA did that, LA seems resolutely opposed to it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Don't be so obsessed about who I am..okay?
Let us discuss the topic instead? Okay?
(I)Just don't understand the need to defend dopers like Frankie. If you really care about anti-doping, you can't give some a carte blanche to dope because they uses less EPO then others.

One last time - no-one has defended Frankie's doping.

If you really cared about anti-doping you would recognize that difference.

 

[VeloCity]

Just don't understand the need to defend dopers like Frankie. If you really care about anti-doping, you can't give some a carte blanche to dope because they uses less EPO then others.

No one is defending Frankie's doping. Let's start there.

 

[Hugh Januss]

how disgusting was it? i wanna know! sounds great!!

+1 We really need ChrisE's deleted posts thread.

 

[goober]

I gust checked livewrong.org the domain is on "backorder", which means someone has opportunely bought the domain already. which sucks. so im all open to ideas about a new domain, although the effect would be lost it seems without having livewrong.org. anyway pm me if interested etc ^^

Get a life dude.

 

[MacRoadie]

No one is defending Frankie's doping. Let's start there.

That's been said at least half a dozen times now, and it's obvious he's simply going to ignore it.

 

[goober]

how disgusting was it? i wanna know! sounds great!!

You probably would have enjoyed it.

 

[Velodude]

I suggest YOU read "Its not about the Bike".

The only difference between using PEDs to keep up and using PEDs to kick *** is talent.
Awesome Talent.

Paul and Frankie used PEDs and tried to keep up.
Sean and Eddy and Lance used PEDs and kicked ***.

What's the difference?
AWESOMENESS.

From my recollection of "It's Not About the Bike" there was a massive contradiction presented by LA and his biographer of creating a myth and debunking the same myth.

The myth created in that book by LA was that his post cancer competitive success was due to cancer hardening him and increasing his resolve.

But the book details that he dismally failed his comeback during the Spring classics and was picked up by the bus sweeping up the abandoned riders after being dropped looking like a rain soaked ex cancer victim.

He despondently retired to Texas and got fat on Mexican food and beer until being later talked out of retirement by Roll, Bruyneel and Carmichael.

 

[Anti-doping]

I don't applaud Frankie for doping, but I certainly applaud Frankie for confessing and being honest about it.

I also don't find any moral contradiction to my posistion.

I'll applaud Lance if he comes forward and confesses and gives honest answers and information that help clean up the sport.

So you would applaude every rider confessing? Sure, confessing that you cheated > lying about it. But applauding a person for cheating? Just seems odd..

Doping apologists don't care about all the honest riders that didn't get the chance to ride the TdF because of dopers like Frankie Andreu

 

[sniper]

(...)
What's the difference?
AWESOMENESS.

Lance himself has shown he's not really capable of appreciating awesomeness.
(cf. his treatment of Contador).
so why keep swinging this awesomeness-mantra?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

From my recollection of "It's Not About the Bike" there was a massive contradiction presented by LA and his biographer of creating a myth and debunking the same myth.

The myth created in that book by LA was that his post cancer competitive success was due to cancer hardening him and increasing his resolve.

But the book details that he dismally failed his comeback during the Spring classics and was picked up by the bus sweeping up the abandoned riders after being dropped looking like a rain soaked ex cancer victim.

He despondently retired to Texas and got fat on Mexican food and beer until being later talked out of retirement by Roll, Bruyneel and Carmichael.

Don't forget Michele:

In spring '98, Lance had a crisis at [Stage 3 of] Paris-Nice but he wasn't going badly; he was in the top 10 on GC, I think, but his character as a "winner" couldn't accept that he would have a bad day. Lance overcame this and from that point on, we were in contact more often; always with Chris Carmichael as well. Lance would come to see me in Ferrara, he would do his tests here and worked on his performance on his time trial bike too. We worked very closely during 1998 with Lance and Chris Carmichael to develop this new approach with a higher cadence; it's become part of the story of Lance.

 

[VeloCity]

But applauding a person for cheating? Just seems odd.

Don't know why you're having so much trouble understanding this - we "applaud" riders for admitting that they cheated, not for their cheating. See the difference?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So you would applaude every rider confessing? Sure, confessing that you cheated > lying about it. But applauding a person for cheating? Just seems odd..

Learn to read - 'cat6cx' said they applauded the confession - not the doping.

Doping apologists don't care about all the honest riders that didn't get the chance to ride the TdF because of dopers like Frankie Andreu

What 'honest' riders did FA keep out of the USPS team from the Tour?

People who are 'anti-doping' recognize that doping within USPS was not an individual problem - it was a team wide problem.
Lance and Johan set up that infrastructure, if you weren't willing to be a team player and dope you didn't get rider the TdF.

 

[MacRoadie]

But applauding a person for cheating? Just seems odd..

As I was saying...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

So you would applaude every rider confessing? Sure, confessing that you cheated > lying about it. But applauding a person for cheating? Just seems odd.

Don't know why you're having so much trouble understanding this - we "applaud" riders for admitting that they cheated, not for their cheating. See the difference?

The complexity of the situation also facilitates such analysis. Doping is so rampant, the omerta so strong, and the UCI so corrupt, that as awful as doping is, one is absolved of at least some of that sin by confession because it helps solve the overall, massive problem.