Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Polish]

To the bolded part - you do not know that, no link of course.
You only know what Tyler's lawyer has said.

What Tyler himself says on the witness stand under cross examination is the important part.
Under oath. Believe.

We will see. we will see.

Good response to The Hog's post Polish

And if Lance's lawyers DO "rip Tyler apart on the witness stand", at least it shows that Lance was not lying.

Tampering maybe, but not lying lol.

But Lance will not have to take the stand anyway.
He's the defendant.

He can just sit and steely stare down the witnessess when they testify yikes.

 

[D-Queued]

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But Lance will not have to take the stand anyway.
He's the defendant.

He can just sit and steely stare down the witnessess when they testify yikes.

You and his attorneys combined may not be enough to convince Lance that he:

1. is the defendant
2. should not take the stand

Maybe if someone convinces him that there is no appearance fee to be had...

Otherwise, even if he has no other chance of losing, expect a complete 'Few Good Men' scenario.

After all, there are some here 'who can't handle the truth'.

Dave.

 

[webvan]

Good catch!

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

Good response to The Hog's post Polish

In general you possess far less wit and originality than you quite obviously give yourself credit for, but I will give this one a 5-star rating.

 

[davestoller]

Tyler reportedly asked Lance to go talk outside after the initial greeting. Lance refused. And held the conversation inside, in full view and hearing of everyone closeby. (BTW, why did Tyler show up at Cache Cache?
Really?!?!?!)

Implying Lance had nothing to hide and WANTED people to see or hear the awkward moment. Tyler didnt.

Does that raise any questions about Tyler's motivation and style?

Anyone ever wonder why?

anyone wonder whether Novitzky had him wear a wire?

Just sayin

 

[mewmewmew13]

Tyler reportedly asked Lance to go talk outside after the initial greeting. Lance refused. And held the conversation inside, in full view and hearing of everyone closeby. (BTW, why did Tyler show up at Cache Cache?
Really?!?!?!)

Implying Lance had nothing to hide and WANTED people to see or hear the awkward moment. Tyler didnt.

Does that raise any questions about Tyler's motivation and style?

Anyone ever wonder why?

anyone wonder whether Novitzky had him wear a wire?

Just sayin

That doesn't explain why Lance didn't just avoid the whole scene and go elsewhere or go home when 'notified' by ms Larner?
Why did Lance stop Tyler instead of ignoring him and letting Ty go back to the patio?
Ty wears a wire on the Outside group ride just in case he could bump into Lance? wow or maybe the Outside journos fitted him with a wire so they could boost their circ?

 

[barn yard]

anyone wonder whether Novitzky had him wear a wire?

Just sayin

you don't need a wire when you have a whole restaurant full of first hand witnesses

 

[breakaway]

You and his attorneys combined may not be enough to convince Lance that he:

1. is the defendant
2. should not take the stand

Maybe if someone convinces him that there is no appearance fee to be had...

Otherwise, even if he has no other chance of losing, expect a complete 'Few Good Men' scenario.

After all, there are some here 'who can't handle the truth'.

Dave.

Assuming you're being serious about the underlying point, LA isn't that stupid. He may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. All evidence of his behavior through the years suggests that he listens to his advisors and listens well, unlike Landis. He's a well trained dog, from Leno appearances to press releases and anything in between. His savviness and street smarts is what's gotten him this far. He knows exactly what's at stake, and he ain't taking the stand...assuming it even gets that far.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Tyler reportedly asked Lance to go talk outside after the initial greeting. Lance refused. And held the conversation inside, in full view and hearing of everyone closeby. (BTW, why did Tyler show up at Cache Cache?
Really?!?!?!)

Implying Lance had nothing to hide and WANTED people to see or hear the awkward moment. Tyler didnt.

Does that raise any questions about Tyler's motivation and style?

Anyone ever wonder why?

anyone wonder whether Novitzky had him wear a wire?

Just sayin

Right - so Lance was just talking about the weather or the latest Michaelob drink.
If it was all so innocent why would Tyler feel the need to ask Lance to take the conversation outside?

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Tyler reportedly asked Lance to go talk outside after the initial greeting. Lance refused. And held the conversation inside, in full view and hearing of everyone closeby. (BTW, why did Tyler show up at Cache Cache? Really?!?!?!)

Tyler did reportedly ask Lance to go talk outside after the initial greeting and after "Lance wanted to get into it". That's very different to the scenario you have chosen to discuss. As such, your analysis doesn't appear relevant to the subject at hand.

 

[Elagabalus]

Does that raise any questions about Tyler's motivation and style?

Anyone ever wonder why?

Who gives a ****!!! You see, that's why my Tyler is always besting Armstrong. He's always one step ahead of Lance. Look at the way he got Lance to react and lose control! Such mastery! My Tyler should be playing professional Chess, I tell you!

 

[Elagabalus]

Assuming you're being serious about the underlying point, LA isn't that stupid. He may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. All evidence of his behavior through the years suggests that he listens to his advisors and listens well, unlike Landis. He's a well trained dog, from Leno appearances to press releases and anything in between. His savviness and street smarts is what's gotten him this far. He knows exactly what's at stake, and he ain't taking the stand...assuming it even gets that far.

I'm not sure LA's advisers would approve of his behavior at Cache Cache. Maybe he needs to listen more ...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Assuming you're being serious about the underlying point, LA isn't that stupid. He may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. All evidence of his behavior through the years suggests that he listens to his advisors and listens well, unlike Landis. He's a well trained dog, from Leno appearances to press releases and anything in between. His savviness and street smarts is what's gotten him this far. He knows exactly what's at stake, and he ain't taking the stand...assuming it even gets that far.

And were his advisers all sitting their in Cache Cache telling him what to do? Of course not.

LA is pretty stupid - or more correctly he is drunk on his own arrogance - which is why he needs advisers.

 

[D-Queued]

Assuming you're being serious about the underlying point, LA isn't that stupid. He may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. All evidence of his behavior through the years suggests that he listens to his advisors and listens well, unlike Landis. He's a well trained dog, from Leno appearances to press releases and anything in between. His savviness and street smarts is what's gotten him this far. He knows exactly what's at stake, and he ain't taking the stand...assuming it even gets that far.

Hi breakaway

There was a hint of sarcasm in there somewhere.

But, I do not agree with you.

Yes, he is street smart.

But, he is reckless and arrogant. From his taunting of Novitzky on twitter, to the ill-advised and ill-conceived facts4lance to the Hamilton incident, there is a consistent behavioral thread with little apparent self-restraint.

Kind of like someone who has yet to develop a frontal cortex. (THink Post-pubescent teenager)

How many people do you know that would tell a reporter, from any publication, that he prefers women hotter than donut grease? Please consider that he has had years of PR training in advance of that kind of quote.

The evidence is not strong that he listens to his advisors. Or, that he has a tendency to shoot first and listen to them second.

More examples of blatant arrogance, and issues with feelings of superiority? Check the quote in my sig. It is classic. He is better than everyone.

Dave.

 

[ricara]

LA isn't that stupid. He may be a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.

Lance did have an interesting transformation, not unlike his pal GWB.

Before cancer, Lance was interviewed on several occasions in VN. Like for the CoreStates million dollar thing, and the world road championship, and maybe even the stage he won after Casartelli died. I would incredulously read the things he said and tell myself, "That guy is dumber than a bag of rocks."

But then, after cancer, he almost instantly transformed. At the time I attributed it to a large dose of humility after a close brush with death. And it may have partly been that. But it also seems to have coincided with the huge cadre of advisers that descended on him after that. Coaches, managers, doctors (doping), financiers, et cetera.

Similar thing with GWB. During the campaigning and first nine months in office, he couldn't get a single sentence out without mangling it. But after 9/11, all of a sudden he was a reasonably articulate "decider". Not sure what the connection is, besides the fact that they are both "Texans" (although GWB was born and raised in Connecticut, I believe).

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Originally Posted by spalco
Realistically: What's the chance for a random meeting between Armstrong and Hamilton in a random restaurant? The USA is a pretty big country, with many restaurants, is it not? I think there's a bigger chance of me winning the TdF despite being an overweight 28-year-old who's never raced a bike than those two randomly meeting so shortly after the 60-minute interview...

Hey Polish in his response to this actually got something right. It wasn't random. Nice P-dog.

http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/147445

 

[Anonymous]

And were his advisers all sitting their in Cache Cache telling him what to do? Of course not.

LA is pretty stupid - or more correctly he is drunk on his own arrogance - which is why he needs advisers.

Yep. A unique combination of stupidity, worldliness, arrogance and wealth. He thinks he's untouchable and is, literally, too stupid to know better.

I can't imagine the confusion he will feel when he gets cuffed and does his perp walk.

 

[Oldman]

I'm not sure LA's advisers would approve of his behavior at Cache Cache. Maybe he needs to listen more ...

You have to pay royalties to Polish to pursue this structure of forum hero worship. He'll tell you where to send the check.

 

[Velodude]

Yep. A unique combination of stupidity, worldliness, arrogance and wealth. He thinks he's untouchable and is, literally, too stupid to know better.

I can't imagine the confusion he will feel when he gets cuffed and does his perp walk.

Succinctly put by a journalist and lifelong part-time resident of Aspenas to the motive of Armstrong to allegedly recklessly confront Tyler Hamilton in Aspen.

“Armstrong, on the other hand, may be the only man so narcissistic that he makes Tom Cruise look like a monk.”

Medically defined: “Narcissism is the pattern of traits and behaviors which involve infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification, dominance and ambition. A narcissist is always right and has the urge to make you feel less than him”

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Good response to The Hog's post Polish

Polish, you will soon receive a "Cease and Desist" letter from The Hog's lawyers.

You are infringing his patented use of self-congratulatory and adulatory messages on this forum.....

 

[jackwolf]

???

It's my understanding Armstrong has already been sent a letter to explain his version of events. If he lies again he's completely f•cked.

And if he tells the truth, he's equally f*cked. What do you reckon he will do?

 

[TubularBills]

Any legal experts?

As long as we're taking a Clinic Deep Dive into the Cache Cache incident, curious if Jodi Larner knows that she could be culpable for aiding and abetting a felony.

Witness Tampering max sentence 20 years.

She seems to have just become a major liability to the restaurant she co-owns, sometimes being the village hag in charge of tip-offs and gossip* has consequences.

*Apparently she alerts regulars if their divorced spouse is in the restaurant, to preempt an untidy encounter. So not unlikely that she also services clients on other matters, and facilitates an untidy encounter.

Just like LA to take the bait, line and tackle. It's easy to imagine that he used the opportunity to showboat his unimpeachable royalty in front of his new neighbors. A Truly deluded narcissist with no concept of the repercussions.

A soapier soap opera befitting the king of scat.

 

[ultimobici]

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=3609

Thanks for that. Rest of the interview is interesting too. Seems that Sherwen has lost his objectivity somewhat in the intervening 6 years though?

 

[thirteen]

automatic gratuity?

help me here, as it has been a long time since i ate out with a large party in the States...

does anybody know how many were in the "Outside" party with TH? the total bill was reported to be $885 -- a lot, imo, even on expense, in today's economy if there were only five people.

if there was more than six, isn't gratuity automatically added?

and, if not at this particular restaurant (which i find very odd), it makes perfect sense that there was a misunderstanding about the tip as it is usually standard.

i know this is not relevant to the witness tampering charge, but it bugs me... so does anybody know how many people were there?

 

[spalco]

A couple bottles of wine and you're at $885 quickly in a fancy restaurant.