Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Race Radio]

VdV is a complex case.

We have it on good authority that he was singled out at USPS to be excluded from the club.

Don't know if this was true of his entire USPS experience, or just temporary. Also don't know what happened on other teams.

Dave.

VDV was given the same choice other USPS riders were given, take the shot or do not ride tomorrow.

 

[Race Radio]

guesses?

Trash contents from 2000 Tour?

Dave.

More samples, not just 1999

 

[webvan]

Thanks, link did work. He said that the "an international legal request" had just been initiated when asked about the 1999 "EPO samples", he didn't say specifically that they had requested these samples.

 

[D-Queued]

More samples, not just 1999

Ok, reading between the lines, we do know that the 2000 samples were 'impounded'. That could be binary - still not available, or readily available with good, legal, chain of custody records.

Then again a plasticizer test might be interesting on more recent events.

Dave.

Edit to add: Presumably they have good reason if they have requested other samples. After all, it wouldn't help their case if the samples turned out to be clean.

 

[Race Radio]

Ok, reading between the lines, we do know that the 2000 samples were 'impounded'. That could be binary - still not available, or readily available with good, legal, chain of custody records.

Then again a plasticizer test might be interesting on more recent events.

Dave.

Edit to add: Presumably they have good reason if they have requested other samples. After all, it wouldn't help their case if the samples turned out to be clean.

Plasticizer tests on the 2003 samples that confirm Floyd's statements would be a good step toward a non-analytical positive.

 

[BroDeal]

Ok, reading between the lines, we do know that the 2000 samples were 'impounded'. That could be binary - still not available, or readily available with good, legal, chain of custody records.

Then again a plasticizer test might be interesting on more recent events.

Dave.

Edit to add: Presumably they have good reason if they have requested other samples. After all, it wouldn't help their case if the samples turned out to be clean.

A huge number of samples for most riders before about 2007 would test positive for testosterone using the CIR test.

 

[Dallas_]

Bruno Genovois

If we wind the clock back to 19-11-2010 for a little background - interview with President of AFLD Bruno Genovois regarding Armstrong

The lawyer by profession strikes me as one smart individual.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...-francais-cite-marion-jones_1442128_3242.html

Asked about Armstrong, Bruno Genovois answered stating Marion Jones as an example. That is admitted doping although never tested positive.

USA law regarding BALCO was harsh and lead to imprisonment.

Every citizen deserves the truth of justice.

"Athletes do not like to talk about doping and the general public prefers not to hear in order to continue to dream"


have a good day

 

[thehog]

Plasticizer tests on the 2003 samples that confirm Floyd's statements would be a good step toward a non-analytical positive.

They're testing for something much more sinister.... Mr. UCI knows.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

recombinant prepubescent demon blood?

 

[Polish]

When Lance is finally exonerated by an Impartial Jury, we will all agree that the Feds did a COMPLETE job. Left NO stone unturned as it were.

They will test and retest every sample - good ones and tampered ones.
Pee, blood, and hair. The works.

This is not the UCI we are talking about.
Not WADA or the AFLD or the LNDD or the labs at Cologne or UCLA.

This is Novitzky and the FEDS we are talking about yikes.
So an exoneration will actually MEAN something this time.
About time lol.

 

[thehog]

When Lance is finally exonerated by an Impartial Jury, we will all agree that the Feds did a COMPLETE job. Left NO stone unturned as it were.

They will test and retest every sample - good ones and tampered ones.
Pee, blood, and hair. The works.

This is not the UCI we are talking about.
Not WADA or the AFLD or the LNDD or the labs at Cologne or UCLA.

This is Novitzky and the FEDS we are talking about yikes.
So an exoneration will actually MEAN something this time.
About time lol.

Vindicate is the official Lance term. Not exonerate.

 

[Merckx index]

A huge number of samples for most riders before about 2007 would test positive for testosterone using the CIR test.

Then why didn't they? That test has been around a lot longer than that. It was developed at the beginning of the century, and nailed Floyd in 2006, and Landaluze in 2005.

Are you saying all these riders avoided the CIR test by manipulating their T/E levels?

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

recombinant prepubescent demon blood?

That test is still being developed. While initial tests are promising it probably won't be in use until 2013 at the earliest.

 

[BroDeal]

Then why didn't they? That test has been around a lot longer than that. It was developed at the beginning of the century, and nailed Floyd in 2006, and Landaluze in 2005.

Are you saying all these riders avoided the CIR test by manipulating their T/E levels?

Yup. The CIR test is more expensive than the T/E ratio test, so the ratio test was used as a screen. If that showed a T/E of 4+ then the CIR test would be used as confirmation.

Landis was nailed by a bad T/E ratio that triggered the CIR test. When the USADA had Landis' B samples from the 2006 Tour tested, they found many more examples of testosterone use.

Somewhere in the 2007 to 2008 time frame, there began to be testing with the CIR test without the initial T/E screen. I still do not think this is very common even now, though.

Test Armstrong's (and his teammates') pre-2006 samples for testosterone and there will undoubtedly by a large number that are positive.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Good point, but they won't be retesting a large number of riders. This investigation is not about cleaning up the sport in general so if you weren't on this one team at the time you won't have anything to worry about.

Maybe some other countries will start their own little witch-hunts.

 

[Race Radio]

I seriously doubt it. They wouldn't waste the money or try to damage their own star's reputations.

Belgium has also opened an investigation.....but shhhh, don't tell anyone

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I seriously doubt it. They wouldn't waste the money or try to damage their own star's reputations.

Right, because as we saw with Jan Ullrich they just left him alone.

COBC, you have a tenuous grasp on facts.

If how they tee'd up on Mr. Popovych is any indication, the US Feds can be very influential overseas. I think you are underestimating the reach of what this has become.

 

[Dallas_]

Official AFLD confirms FDA have requested samples

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrongs-urine-samples-requested-by-us-authorities

cheers

 

[this_is_edie]

Official AFLD confirms FDA have requested samples

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrongs-urine-samples-requested-by-us-authorities

cheers

Just a translation of the Le Monde article. Nothing new.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Is it correct to assume, that after said testing on samples is complete, that the results will remain unknown to the general pub until after it is appropriately brought out in the trial/legal proceedings?

Some of you are definitely way more knowledgeable as to methodology and inside info, so realize that some of us are still trying to catch up on everything...

Things are certainly getting more interesting, as there actually may be some questions put to rest one way or another in the near future...
cheers,
mew

 

[Race Radio]

I doubt they will be raking through 12 year old urine samples whilst huge corperate crooks like Angelo Mozilo escape prosecution. Their systems don't work like that.

Angelo is a Belgie? Who knew?

Duffy, Duffy, Duffy

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I doubt they will be raking through 12 year old urine samples whilst huge corperate crooks like Angelo Mozilo escape prosecution. Their systems don't work like that.

He personally paid about $70M USD to settle the case. Not exactly "escaping"....

But why would you doubt they will hesitate to examine any form of evidence?

 

[Dallas_]

Belgium has also opened an investigation.....but shhhh, don't tell anyone

Interpol working in the background. Novitzky did a good job of setting that up.

cheers

 

[mr. tibbs]

Why is the Team Radioshack website's address http://www.livestrong.com/teamradioshack/?

 

[BotanyBay]

Why is the Team Radioshack website's address http://www.livestrong.com/teamradioshack/?

Because Armstrong earns money every time a person visits, that's why.