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JRTinMA said:
I doubt that you are evil at all, just another individual complicit in the doping culture of cycling. You had a chance to take some pictures, unplug the refrigerator, grab some docs with code names and expose one of the biggest frauds in cycling but you chose to look the other way at the time. You had a lot in 2003 and 2004 and probably would have taken it to your grave except that idiot sued you over a couple of outdated laptops. To be fair I don't claim any high ground, not sure I would have had the guts to do it any different, probably would have rolled just like you. I know I wouldn't have agreed to a VN story in 2011 and admitted my shame. The shame is you didn't act when you had the chance isn't it? I hope this doesn't come across as an attack, its not my intent. Since you come on and post, I think that leaves you open to criticism.

Your post does seem a bit overwrought. You do realize that post was made on the 1st of Feb. 2011? On vacation or just catching up? Did you see the current news headlines and decide we were probably getting too uppity and decided to pay us a visit?

And one more thing, if Texpat did have a photo would you have believed it was actually taken in LA's Girona apartment?
 
Elagabalus said:
Your post does seem a bit overwrought. You do realize that post was made on the 1st of Feb. 2011? On vacation or just catching up? Did you see the current news headlines and decide we were probably getting too uppity and decided to pay us a visit?

And one more thing, if Texpat did have a photo would you have believed it was actually taken in LA's Girona apartment?

Nah, I come by now and then and catch up, I don't have to be her 24/7 to have an opinion. One only needs to come on once a month to read the same rehashed old news. It seems he could have had a lot more than a picture of some dope. I would have believed him but then again by 2004 I was pretty sure I knew the score. I think most of the spurned LA autograph seekers on this site probably wouldn't have though, I see your point.
 

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Why the big spike in Livestrong.com traffic?
MOMENTOUS Activity Spike wow.
No TdF in sight this time of year....what gives?

Santa Monica-based LIVESTRONG.COM, the fitness and healthy living site run by Demand Media, said this morning that it has seen a "momentous activity spike" in usage of the site. Livestrong.com said it had over 12 million unique visitors in January 2011, an all-time traffic high for the site. Livestrong said the numbers place it as the largest, single website in the United States in the health category, according to comScore. Livestrong.com is a joint venture of Demand Media and Lance Armstrong.

http://www.socaltech.com/livestrong_com_claims_traffic_record/s-0034099.html#
 
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Well, for some odd reason I feel the need to wade into this muck. Here goes:

JRTinMA said:
I doubt that you are evil at all, just another individual complicit in the doping culture of cycling. You had a chance to take some pictures, unplug the refrigerator, grab some docs with code names and expose one of the biggest frauds in cycling but you chose to look the other way at the time.

In a way you're right about complicity on my part, hence the shame. The reality was that I had a mortgage, a new son, and a friend who I believed was effing up his life monumentally. I learned very early in the game what happens to people who got on the wrong side of things with him, and to be perfectly frank, I was scared. Still, I counselled LA on a variety of moral issues, all of which fell on deaf ears. Take your pick. Cheating is cheating, in my book, and I made it abundantly clear that I did not approve, whether in marriage or business or sport. Therein lies the source of the friction between him and I.
Sure, I could've taken photos or whatever. Yes, it would have been a far more faithful exposition of my own moral grounding, but I really was conflicted. He was my friend. I didn't know the whole story, but was pretty sure what was going on. It was only later when I was labelled the "disgruntled employee" which painted an entirely different and inaccurate picture of the relationship.
If a friend murdered his wife, you can be sure that I would turn him in, but this stuff...tough call. Again, shame on me.
Still, you have demonstrated a lot of ignorance of the case.
JRTinMA said:
You had a lot in 2003 and 2004 and probably would have taken it to your grave except that idiot sued you over a couple of outdated laptops.
Once again your ignorance is showing. What he did was a preemptive legal strike to cower me into not filing a suit for wrongful dismissal and breach of contract. Remember, I was fired unceremoniously, had an attempt made at forcing me to sign a non-disclosure agreement which would have made me liable to pay a million dollars for even saying that I worked for the guy. When I refused, the defamation and threats started. They started what Stapleton called WWIII. I was scared ****less. No money. A family to support. A mortgage. And my reputation. It was me against a force of nature in the bike industry and in Austin where I called home.
The laptop was very valuable to him for some strange reason. I'm sure you can figure it out. Or maybe not you, but many of the more thoughtful folks around here can, I'm sure.

JRTinMA said:
To be fair I don't claim any high ground, not sure I would have had the guts to do it any different, probably would have rolled just like you. I know I wouldn't have agreed to a VN story in 2011 and admitted my shame. The shame is you didn't act when you had the chance isn't it? I hope this doesn't come across as an attack, its not my intent. Since you come on and post, I think that leaves you open to criticism.

Well, I had done a really good job of rebuilding my life down here. Very few people knew of my history, but I carried a heavy burden which was quite liberating to unload to Neal Rogers. It was catharsis.
Maybe you know no shame. If so, please accept this nomination for beatification. Congratulations.
The shame is that I didn't leave the job earlier when I knew that things were not on the up and up. Extenuating circumstances will do that.
The shame is that I was mixed up in the whole affair, which I believed at the onset would have set me up with the shop I wanted, and the credibility to go with it.
The shame is the irony of it all.
Again, I should have done a lot of things differently, like never quitting graduate school for a life in the glamourous world of cycling. I'll always wish that I'd had the balls (and money) to bail out at the first sign of trouble, which was about six weeks into the job, but there was a contract that we had agreed on.

JRTinMA said:
He was not an accuser, he was complicit. Lance was the accuser, accused him of stealing laptops and clothing. Stop protecting your hero LA.

Really, I don't know why I bother. Where have you been Rip Van Winkle?
 
TexPat said:
Well, for some odd reason I feel the need to wade into this muck. Here goes:



In a way you're right about complicity on my part, hence the shame. The reality was that I had a mortgage, a new son, and a friend who I believed was effing up his life monumentally. I learned very early in the game what happens to people who got on the wrong side of things with him, and to be perfectly frank, I was scared. Still, I counselled LA on a variety of moral issues, all of which fell on deaf ears. Take your pick. Cheating is cheating, in my book, and I made it abundantly clear that I did not approve, whether in marriage or business or sport. Therein lies the source of the friction between him and I.
Sure, I could've taken photos or whatever. Yes, it would have been a far more faithful exposition of my own moral grounding, but I really was conflicted. He was my friend. I didn't know the whole story, but was pretty sure what was going on. It was only later when I was labelled the "disgruntled employee" which painted an entirely different and inaccurate picture of the relationship.
If a friend murdered his wife, you can be sure that I would turn him in, but this stuff...tough call. Again, shame on me.
Still, you have demonstrated a lot of ignorance of the case.

Once again your ignorance is showing. What he did was a preemptive legal strike to cower me into not filing a suit for wrongful dismissal and breach of contract. Remember, I was fired unceremoniously, had an attempt made at forcing me to sign a non-disclosure agreement which would have made me liable to pay a million dollars for even saying that I worked for the guy. When I refused, the defamation and threats started. They started what Stapleton called WWIII. I was scared ****less. No money. A family to support. A mortgage. And my reputation. It was me against a force of nature in the bike industry and in Austin where I called home.
The laptop was very valuable to him for some strange reason. I'm sure you can figure it out. Or maybe not you, but many of the more thoughtful folks around here can, I'm sure.



Well, I had done a really good job of rebuilding my life down here. Very few people knew of my history, but I carried a heavy burden which was quite liberating to unload to Neal Rogers. It was catharsis.
Maybe you know no shame. If so, please accept this nomination for beatification. Congratulations.
The shame is that I didn't leave the job earlier when I knew that things were not on the up and up. Extenuating circumstances will do that.
The shame is that I was mixed up in the whole affair, which I believed at the onset would have set me up with the shop I wanted, and the credibility to go with it.
The shame is the irony of it all.
Again, I should have done a lot of things differently, like never quitting graduate school for a life in the glamourous world of cycling. I'll always wish that I'd had the balls (and money) to bail out at the first sign of trouble, which was about six weeks into the job, but there was a contract that we had agreed on.



Really, I don't know why I bother. Where have you been Rip Van Winkle?

I know plenty of shame, I never claimed to take the moral high ground. You had a chance to to the right thing and you passed on that, you also chose to be complicit by your own words. It ended in a lawsuit that you claim to be preemptive and I will take you at your word. If you had done the right thing it would have ended the same way, a lawsuit. I pass no judgement, I simply pointed out my issue with the VN article, Im glad it offered you an outlet and maybe some healing. You come here and post and that leaves you open to criticism, sorry your forum friends see it different. I wasn't that critical, simple asked a few questions. You want to see critical, look at what happens to JV, a guy who actually is trying to clean up the vomit in aisle 5. Thanks and sorry you had to wade into the mess.
 
TexPat said:
Well, for some odd reason I feel the need to wade into this muck. Here goes:



In a way you're right about complicity on my part, hence the shame. The reality was that I had a mortgage, a new son, and a friend who I believed was effing up his life monumentally. I learned very early in the game what happens to people who got on the wrong side of things with him, and to be perfectly frank, I was scared. Still, I counselled LA on a variety of moral issues, all of which fell on deaf ears. Take your pick. Cheating is cheating, in my book, and I made it abundantly clear that I did not approve, whether in marriage or business or sport. Therein lies the source of the friction between him and I.
Sure, I could've taken photos or whatever. Yes, it would have been a far more faithful exposition of my own moral grounding, but I really was conflicted. He was my friend. I didn't know the whole story, but was pretty sure what was going on. It was only later when I was labelled the "disgruntled employee" which painted an entirely different and inaccurate picture of the relationship.
If a friend murdered his wife, you can be sure that I would turn him in, but this stuff...tough call. Again, shame on me.
Still, you have demonstrated a lot of ignorance of the case.

Once again your ignorance is showing. What he did was a preemptive legal strike to cower me into not filing a suit for wrongful dismissal and breach of contract. Remember, I was fired unceremoniously, had an attempt made at forcing me to sign a non-disclosure agreement which would have made me liable to pay a million dollars for even saying that I worked for the guy. When I refused, the defamation and threats started. They started what Stapleton called WWIII. I was scared ****less. No money. A family to support. A mortgage. And my reputation. It was me against a force of nature in the bike industry and in Austin where I called home.
The laptop was very valuable to him for some strange reason. I'm sure you can figure it out. Or maybe not you, but many of the more thoughtful folks around here can, I'm sure.



Well, I had done a really good job of rebuilding my life down here. Very few people knew of my history, but I carried a heavy burden which was quite liberating to unload to Neal Rogers. It was catharsis.
Maybe you know no shame. If so, please accept this nomination for beatification. Congratulations.
The shame is that I didn't leave the job earlier when I knew that things were not on the up and up. Extenuating circumstances will do that.
The shame is that I was mixed up in the whole affair, which I believed at the onset would have set me up with the shop I wanted, and the credibility to go with it.
The shame is the irony of it all.
Again, I should have done a lot of things differently, like never quitting graduate school for a life in the glamourous world of cycling. I'll always wish that I'd had the balls (and money) to bail out at the first sign of trouble, which was about six weeks into the job, but there was a contract that we had agreed on.



Really, I don't know why I bother. Where have you been Rip Van Winkle?

Mike, sorry you feel that you had to answer this guy. Some people think they can challenge others when they don't have even a fraction of the facts, nor do they even stop to think about that.
karma comes around...

It is very chilling to hear anecdotes from many like you who have gotten themselves 'on the wrong side' of Lance. Creepy...hard to deny how one person can repeatedly induce this intimidation and unease.

Yes, you do everything in life differently as a new parent---been there. It affects every decision and colors one's choices more that almost anything else.

Anyway, very eloquently said, hope your life takes a calmer turn in the future and the best of luck to you.
...and thoughts are with you and all who have been involved in the horrible quake.
cheers
 
mewmewmew13 said:
Mike, sorry you feel that you had to answer this guy. Some people think they can challenge others when they don't have even a fraction of the facts, nor do they even stop to think about that.
karma comes around...

It is very chilling to hear anecdotes from many like you who have gotten themselves 'on the wrong side' of Lance. Creepy...hard to deny how one person can repeatedly induce this intimidation and unease.

Yes, you do everything in life differently as a new parent---been there. It affects every decision and colors one's choices more that almost anything else.

Anyway, very eloquently said, hope your life takes a calmer turn in the future and the best of luck to you.
...and thoughts are with you and all who have been involved in the horrible quake.
cheers

Awwww. When I had kids I made all the right choices, my bad ones were all prior. I hope since you seem to imply any decision made for the good of the kids no matter the consequences is good that somebody more grounded is in their life.
 
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JRTinMA said:
I know plenty of shame, I never claimed to take the moral high ground. You had a chance to to the right thing and you passed on that, you also chose to be complicit by your own words. It ended in a lawsuit that you claim to be preemptive and I will take you at your word. If you had done the right thing it would have ended the same way, a lawsuit. I pass no judgement, I simply pointed out my issue with the VN article, Im glad it offered you an outlet and maybe some healing. You come here and post and that leaves you open to criticism, sorry your forum friends see it different. I wasn't that critical, simple asked a few questions. You want to see critical, look at what happens to JV, a guy who actually is trying to clean up the vomit in aisle 5. Thanks and sorry you had to wade into the mess.

You failed again to see the nuance.
And please don't be so cool with JV--at least I've been upfront. He's far more complicit than I.
 
TexPat said:
You failed again to see the nuance.
And please don't be so cool with JV--at least I've been upfront. He's far more complicit than I.

Just because I don't agree with you completely doesn't mean I don't see the nuance. Complicit is like unique, there are no degrees. You are clean and always have been like my heros or you played the game.
 
Tax evasion!
Not too surprising though, in the scope of this story....shady in one thing shady in another.

Is this the first time it has been actually 'formally announced' in the media as to what Novitsky is putting down on his calling card? I have tried to keep up with this whole affair since its inception and I am STILL fuzzy on things, new developments, what is true vs media spew, etc...
sheesh!
 
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Guys, I have been saying Tax Evasion since day 1#

Novtizky spent 10 years at the IRS as an investigator
 
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This is just another....article based on that AFLD comment, isn't it.

I know 1000s of them from Germany and they are adding wrong facts or their wishes to that articles for a long time now. Repeating 1000 times that LA is the target and what this investigation "really" is about for months, doesn't make it right.
SSDDDC
DC=different country :D

But of course Lance in topic makes it a sensational new information and update.
 
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Cobblestoned said:
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SSDDDC
DC=different country :D

hey great, good to see Lie$trong finally got you on their program:rolleyes:


Cobblestoned said:
But of course Lance in topic makes it a sensational new information and update.

of which it has attracted you to keep continuously posting about it too:rolleyes:
 
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Benotti69 said:
hey great, good to see Lie$trong finally got you on their program:rolleyes:




of which it as attracted you to keep continuously posting about it too:rolleyes:

I am just here to help you.
 
Cobblestoned said:
This is just another....article based on that AFLD comment, isn't it.

I know 1000s of them from Germany and they are adding wrong facts or their wishes to that articles for a long time now. Repeating 1000 times that LA is the target and what this investigation "really" is about for months, doesn't make it right.
SSDDDC
DC=different country :D

But of course Lance in topic makes it a sensational new information and update.

Double-posting in quick succession? Something bothering you?

Of course, we can fully expect you to continue your broken record as Lance exhausts the appeal process.

And, you know what?

As far as your posting contributions, and Lance's prospects, you are right.

SSDD.

Dave.
 

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Race Radio said:
Guys, I have been saying Tax Evasion since day 1#

Novtizky spent 10 years at the IRS as an investigator

Yes RR, you have been saying tax evasion since day 1. Impressive.

And not just that, since day 1 you have been saying fraud too.
And drug distribution, and organized doping program ringleader, and trafficking, and hookers and blow and jetfuel and livestrong.com and being mean to betsy and intimidating greg and selling bikes on ebay and flushing manrod's blood and bribing the UCI $500,000 etc etc etc. Impressive.

Yes, all great predictions.

But an even more impressive prediction - predict that Novitzsky would have leaked the indictment details of tax evasion to a spanish cyling website that needs to translated for many readers through google. Or predict a tree Octopus
 
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