Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[JRTinMA]

Don't you all know that I am Evil Incarnate?!

Man, I can hardly believe some of the ****e that Fabiani et al come up with.

I doubt that you are evil at all, just another individual complicit in the doping culture of cycling. You had a chance to take some pictures, unplug the refrigerator, grab some docs with code names and expose one of the biggest frauds in cycling but you chose to look the other way at the time. You had a lot in 2003 and 2004 and probably would have taken it to your grave except that idiot sued you over a couple of outdated laptops. To be fair I don't claim any high ground, not sure I would have had the guts to do it any different, probably would have rolled just like you. I know I wouldn't have agreed to a VN story in 2011 and admitted my shame. The shame is you didn't act when you had the chance isn't it? I hope this doesn't come across as an attack, its not my intent. Since you come on and post, I think that leaves you open to criticism.

 

[Race Radio]

I doubt that you are evil at all, just another individual complicit in the doping culture of cycling. You had a chance to take some pictures, unplug the refrigerator, grab some docs with code names and expose one of the biggest frauds in cycling but you chose to look the other way at the time. You had a lot in 2003 and 2004 and probably would have taken it to your grave except that idiot sued you over a couple of outdated laptops. To be fair I don't claim any high ground, not sure I would have had the guts to do it any different, probably would have rolled just like you. I know I wouldn't have agreed to a VN story in 2011 and admitted my shame. The shame is you didn't act when you had the chance isn't it? I hope this doesn't come across as an attack, its not my intent. Since you come on and post, I think that leaves you open to criticism.

Oh noooo it does not come across as an attack. It comes across as yet another fanboy trying to smear anyone who questions the myth.

Just saying.

 

[webvan]

Looks I missed something, anyone got a link so I can catch up with this stolen laptop sorry?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I doubt that you are evil at all, just another individual complicit in the doping culture of cycling. You had a chance to take some pictures, unplug the refrigerator, grab some docs with code names and expose one of the biggest frauds in cycling but you chose to look the other way at the time. You had a lot in 2003 and 2004 and probably would have taken it to your grave except that idiot sued you over a couple of outdated laptops. To be fair I don't claim any high ground, not sure I would have had the guts to do it any different, probably would have rolled just like you. I know I wouldn't have agreed to a VN story in 2011 and admitted my shame. The shame is you didn't act when you had the chance isn't it? I hope this doesn't come across as an attack, its not my intent. Since you come on and post, I think that leaves you open to criticism.

Ah, texpat didn't know about the refrigerator, what doc's did texpat see to copy? Your criticisms are based on factual inaccuracies.
Also - who was he supposed to go to? The UCI? USAC??

 

[JRTinMA]

Oh noooo it does not come across as an attack. It comes across as yet another fanboy trying to smear anyone who questions the myth.

Just saying.

I knew you would be the first to chime in! Actually any rational thinking is treated just like LA does his distractors, you attack and label. You are just like him actually and I suspect the actual closeted fanboy. I posed a legit response you attacked, just saying.

 

[Race Radio]

Ah, texpat didn't know about the refrigerator, what doc's did texpat see to copy? Your criticisms are based on factual inaccuracies.
Also - who was he supposed to go to? The UCI? USAC??

Exactly. Mike is going to go to these guys http://www.sfweekly.com/2005-09-07/news/tour-de-farce/ and tell them he found some drugs in the house of employer.

Attacking the accuser is a common tactic of Wonderboy.

 

[JRTinMA]

Ah, texpat didn't know about the refrigerator, what doc's did texpat see to copy? Your criticisms are based on factual inaccuracies.
Also - who was he supposed to go to? The UCI? USAC??

You are correct, the drugs were not in a refrigerator they were in a bathroom, changes nothing. There is always a way, the easy way and the hard way. He could have found an outlet, there were plenty of people sniffing for that dopers blood in 03 and 04. Can you think of two reporters genius?

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I knew you would be the first to chime in! Actually any rational thinking is treated just like LA does his distractors, you attack and label. You are just like him actually and I suspect the actual closeted fanboy. I posed a legit response you attacked, just saying.

I think you overstepped and made a few too many presumptions, and not in a speculative way but in a prejudiced way.

I understood what you wrote but the fact is the moment Mike found the Andriol, he confronted Lance and then it went sideways with Lance.

What you presented is simply not the facts.

It's OK to be wrong, just deal with it and we'll all move on, no big deal.

 

[JRTinMA]

Exactly. Mike is going to go to these guys http://www.sfweekly.com/2005-09-07/news/tour-de-farce/ and tell them he found some drugs in the house of employer.

Attacking the accuser is a common tactic of Wonderboy.

He was not an accuser, he was complicit. Lance was the accuser, accused him of stealing laptops and clothing. Stop protecting your hero LA.

 

[JRTinMA]

I think you overstepped and made a few too many presumptions, and not in a speculative way but in a prejudiced way.

I understood what you wrote but the fact is the moment Mike found the Andriol, he confronted Lance and then it went sideways with Lance.

What you presented is simply not the facts.

It's OK to be wrong, just deal with it and we'll all move on, no big deal.

He did not confront him, read the story. He looked the other way.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

You are correct, the drugs were not in a refrigerator they were in a bathroom, changes nothing. There is always a way, the easy way and the hard way. He could have found an outlet, there were plenty of people sniffing for that dopers blood in 03 and 04. Can you think of two reporters genius?

First, he ad a confidentiality agreement with his work contract. Second, the stuff is legit medicine, and his original thinking was it must have been left over from his cancer treatment.

Things are not always as simple as you'd think.

 

[JRTinMA]

First, he ad a confidentiality agreement with his work contract. Second, the stuff is legit medicine, and his original thinking was it must have been left over from his cancer treatment.

Things are not always as simple as you'd think.

Sometimes they are actually.

 

[Race Radio]

I knew you would be the first to chime in! Actually any rational thinking is treated just like LA does his distractors, you attack and label. You are just like him actually and I suspect the actual closeted fanboy. I posed a legit response you attacked, just saying.

You thought the response was legit. Most rational people thought it was absurd.

Please, tell us what Mike was supposed to do....call up the USA cycling and tell them Armstrong was using something he could not pronounce....really?

That you do not realize how absurd your post is only reinforces the validity of my response.

 

[JRTinMA]

You thought the response was legit. Most rational people thought it was absurd.

Please, tell us what Mike was supposed to do....call up the USA cycling and tell them Armstrong was using something he could not pronounce....really?

That you do not realize how absurd your post is only reinforces the validity of my response.

He shouldn't have done a thing, I even said I wouldn't have done it any different. The only thing he shouldn't have done is agree to an article in 2011 he should have done in 2004.

Do you think the 100 or so regular posters in the clinic are rational? Or the 10 super posters for that matter. I don't think people that live on a cycling forum have any special right to claim they represent rational thought. Maybe you are rational and maybe I'm a **** but he posts and I have a right to criticize him, and I was hardly critical.

 

[Granville57]

I doubt that you are evil at all, just another individual complicit in the doping culture of cycling. You had a chance to take some pictures, unplug the refrigerator, grab some docs with code names

By all means, enlighten all of us as to these "documents" and "code names" that he had access to.

Are you suggesting that he should have stolen these documents?

I hope this doesn't come across as an attack, its not my intent.

Spare us the false premise. That was your only intent.

 

[Race Radio]

He shouldn't have done a thing, I even said I wouldn't have done it any different. The only thing he shouldn't have done is agree to an article in 2011 he should have done in 2004.

You do realize he filed a lawsuit in 2004, while Armstrong did everything possible to harass him and threaten to ruin his life?

 

[JRTinMA]

By all means, enlighten all of us as to these "documents" and "code names" that he had access to.

Are you suggesting that he should have stolen these documents?

Spare us the false premise. That was your only intent.

Did you even read the VN interview, Mike mentioned code names genius and he personally chauffeured the doping doctor to the doper. No no he didn't know a thing. He should have exposed a fraud, thats what he should have done.

 

[JRTinMA]

You do realize he filed a lawsuit in 2004, while Armstrong did everything possible to harass him and threaten to ruin his life?

Get your facts straight, your hero filed the lawsuit, Mike countersued.

 

[Race Radio]

Get your facts straight, your hero filed the lawsuit, Mike countersued.

As I said, Mike filed a lawsuit.

 

[Granville57]

The only thing he shouldn't have done is agree to an article in 2011 he should have done in 2004.

How receptive were most people to this information in 2004?

he posts and I have a right to criticize him, and I was hardly critical.

Hardly critical? You do realize that the words you type are right there on the computer screen for everyone to look at, don't you?

You accuse Mike of:
1) being "complicit in the doping culture.
2) not taking some sort of action that only you imagine was available to him.
3) rolling over (an implicitly derogatory statement)
4) use the word "shame" in a negative light without acknowledging that any shame expressed by Mike was due to his association with Pharmstrong.

“I don’t advertise my past, and in some ways it’s a shame, because I think it does give you, as a bicycle mechanic or a bike shop, a bit of credibility to have worked at that level. But I’m frankly ashamed of it.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/02/news/interview-former-armstrong-assistant-ashamed-of-working-for-him_158382

No. You weren't critical at all.

 

[Dallas_]

The only thing he shouldn't have done is agree to an article in 2011 he should have done in 2004.

2004 was most likely the height of the chamois sniffing, Kancerous, hysterical demi-g0d adulation.

Who would have listened to Mike then? Think about it!

have a day

 

[Granville57]

Did you even read the VN interview, Mike mentioned code names genius and he personally chauffeured the doping doctor to the doper. No no he didn't know a thing. He should have exposed a fraud, thats what he should have done.

Anderson’s testimony also claimed that Armstrong used a codename — ”Schumi” — for Dr. Michele Ferrari,

That's one name, not plural as you are suggesting.

But you didn't answer my question.
What documents?!

 

[JRTinMA]

How receptive were most people to this information in 2004?


Hardly critical? You do realize that the words you type are right there on the computer screen for everyone to look at, don't you?

You accuse Mike of:
1) being "complicit in the doping culture.
2) not taking some sort of action that only you imagine was available to him.
3) rolling over (an implicitly derogatory statement)
4) use the word "shame" in a negative light without acknowledging that any shame expressed by Mike was due to his association with Pharmstrong.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/02/news/interview-former-armstrong-assistant-ashamed-of-working-for-him_158382

No. You weren't critical at all.

I never said I wasn't critical. Was he not complicit in the doping culture? Didn't he turn his head? I don't think he should be ashamed at all for doing what he had to do to make a living. For F's sake read the actual testimony, he was paid very little money to be on call 24/7. The shame is what a cheap *** LA is. All I said is don't do the story now, sorry you see it as such an attack. He comes on and posts, does this make him untouchable? I don't imagine anything, he didn't take action, end of story.

 

[Granville57]

Did you even read the VN interview

If the VN interview was the first time any of this came to your attention, and if you think for one second that it was first time it came to my attention, then the absurdity of this exchange is only amplified.

Good luck, Sherlock.

Later...

 

[JRTinMA]

That's one name, not plural as you are suggesting.

But you didn't answer my question.
What documents?!

I did use the plural form of name due to the fact that I structured the sentence wrong. Thats all you have? Did he hear the code name or see it on a document? I don't know be he knew it. I have read the whole testimony, its not the first I have heard of the case. Drop your indignation.