Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[MacRoadie]

Real spontanaity there...

So, Armstrong says jack-all about Levi winning one of the major US stage races even though he's been tweeting away both as himself and Juan Pelota, then after 24 hours (and a few hundred tweets by others wondering where the love was) he finally sends some congrats Levi's way.

Real spontaneous. Congratulating his former team mates and team must be WAY up on his busy Twitter list.

 

[sniper]

so lance's twitt shows he's reading in here, and that he's not plain stupid.
not congratulating levi now would be such a blatantly obvious sign of jealousy that even lance understands.

it's a big **** you to lance on levi's behalf, by the way. ratting him out first and then happily continuing his winning streak for radio shack.

levi owes everything to lance, but rats him out all the same.
that's the kind of friends lance is left with...

IMO, Lance's failure to congratulate levi for his TdS victory looks all the more stupid now, with everybody following him on twitter. That wasn't by accident. Why congratulate him now, but not back then?
indeed, he ignored Levi back then. He wasn't just ****ed at levi, he was probably enfuriated, felt betrayed by one his supposedly loyal companions. Lance is human, you know? He has feelings.

So Lance ignored Levi back then, clear sign of frustration if you ask me.
He also thought or at least hoped levi would fade soon after the TdS. Wrong bet. Levi sticked around.

No more ignoring Levi now...

 

[Poursuivant]

Ive got two questions hopefully someone can help me out with:

1. If Armstrong gets indicted, will we learn about exactly WHO has testified against him and WHAT exactly people have said?

2. Armstrong, as we know, has dismissed any accusations with character assassinations. If Hincapie has testified against him, and we learn of it, how would Armstrong deal with that?

Thanks.

 

[Race Radio]

Troll Babble

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Cloxxki]

2. Armstrong, as we know, has dismissed any accusations with character assassinations. If Hincapie has testified against him, and we learn of it, how would Armstrong deal with that?

Thanks.

The Seven Stages of Grief?
Might take him about 3 seconds till stage 5. He won't be half-way his character assessing exclamation starting with "that little...".

Don't think Lance will have a tear over GH. When he went to ride for himself, most of the broship must have gone with him. See how buddy Floyd was treated when he got principal and independant.

 

[thehog]

I seriously doubt that anyone here hates Armstrong or any other doper. What many of us dislike are dopers and liars. Wanting justice done is not a form of hatred at all. It's just that--wanting justice done.

If there is any hate flowing here, I suspect it comes from the Lance tifosi who are not happy with the reality of the Lance and Co. show. To them I say, "Let's sing another song, boys. This one has grown old and bitter."

Much the problem with Armstrong compared to other dopers was the method. Most dopers doped. Some to keep up, some to win, some because they thought everyone else was doing. But Armstrong not only doped and made sure his team doped but he also went about ensuring everyone didn't get the free run on the gear like he did. From writing letters to the UCI and WADA attempting to out the Spanish to paying for a free pass on the testing he was making sure his doping was better than anyone else.

Probably the worst act of his doping was using it against those who weren't doping or seeking reform from doping. His chase down and kicking the French was good examples of this.

My most sickening memory was the Catlin affair. After watching the 2008 Tour and noticing that the riders had dialled back on the gear he saw an opportunity. He could come back and beat this guys whilst still doping himself. Pretending he had had his own drug testing program and getting Tyler Phinney to sit next to him he parade himself as Mr. Clean knowing full well he had already consulted Ferrari to ready the program for Comeback 2.0.

Thats were Armstrong had no respect for the sport. It was all about him. This is what makes him worst than your average run of the mil doper.

CycleSport magazine make fun of him this month suggesting that Armstrong will make Comeback 3.0 after seeing the times up d'Huez this year. Classic.

Thankfully now he's become a running joke.

And this time the drum-roll is about to happen.... watch this space.

 

[hrotha]

Most dopers doped.

I think we can agree on that.

 

[Dallas_]

Bagman

So, getting back on the subject, does anyone know if former Discovery trainer Pepe Martí part of the Federal investigation?

He seems to have been one of the the "bagmen" who was actually responsible for the trafficking of PED's on the team according to Floyd Landis.

This may be old information, but this site put the information out earlier today-

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landis-contadors-coach-was-a-drug-trafficker

Being Spanish, I cannot see him as one of Novitzky's targets. When was Pepe last on US soil?

Wasn't he the one phoning AC every day at last years TDF? Top up today Berto.

On juicing at Postal team, Novi has more than enough evidence to recoup millions.

Maybe Pepe is on the Spanish radar!
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As usual Berzin, your posts are easy to understand. ie no ad hominems and no obfuscations.
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[sniper]

Much the problem with Armstrong compared to other dopers was the method. Most dopers doped. Some to keep up, some to win, some because they thought everyone else was doing. But Armstrong not only doped and made sure his team doped but he also went about ensuring everyone didn't get the free run on the gear like he did. From writing letters to the UCI and WADA attempting to out the Spanish to paying for a free pass on the testing he was making sure his doping was better than anyone else.

Probably the worst act of his doping was using it against those who weren't doping or seeking reform from doping. His chase down and kicking the French was good examples of this.

My most sickening memory was the Catlin affair. After watching the 2008 Tour and noticing that the riders had dialled back on the gear he saw an opportunity. He could come back and beat this guys whilst still doping himself. Pretending he had had his own drug testing program and getting Tyler Phinney to sit next to him he parade himself as Mr. Clean knowing full well he had already consulted Ferrari to ready the program for Comeback 2.0.

Thats were Armstrong had no respect for the sport. It was all about him. This is what makes him worst than your average run of the mil doper.

CycleSport magazine make fun of him this month suggesting that Armstrong will make Comeback 3.0 after seeing the times up d'Huez this year. Classic.

Thankfully now he's become a running joke.

And this time the drum-roll is about to happen.... watch this space.

That is a good point unaddressed by the LA fanboys claiming to be true cycling fans.

 

[sniper]

Most dopers doped.

I think we can agree on that.

that did indeed also strike me as a plausible hypothesis.

 

[Dallas_]

Flack

Thats were Armstrong had no respect for the sport. It was all about him. This is what makes him worst than your average run of the mil doper.

Thankfully now he's become a running joke.

Yeah valid point Hog, but to me, that pales into insignificance compared to the flack received by Greg, Mike, Betsy, Frankie, Emma, Paul at TOC. ...This incomplete list needs adding to!

If you think for a minute, their lives have turned onto roads they would not normally have chosen.

And all to protect the myth and more importantly the money, because it is always about the dollars and maybe in this case some hidden Swiss currency.

There is an old saying "What goes around, comes around". If he finally does the Perp walk, he only has himself to blame.


Personally, I would like to thank Novitzky et all for their ongoing investigation.
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[Cloxxki]

Yeah valid point Hog, but to me, that pales into insignificance compared to the flack received by Greg, Mike, Betsy, Frankie, Emma, Paul at TOC. ...This incomplete list needs adding to!

If you think for a minute, their lives have turned onto roads they would not normally have chosen.

And all to protect the myth and more importantly the money, because it is always about the dollars and maybe in this case some hidden Swiss currency.

There is an old saying "What goes around, comes around". If he finally does the Perp walk, he only has himself to blame.


Personally, I would like to thank Novitzky et all for their ongoing investigation.
.

Is there a maintained list of people getting their lives negatively altered by his yellowness? And his deeds against rules in general?

 

[rata de sentina]

so lance's twitt shows he's reading in here,

I think he has some 'people' for that stuff. No need for him to stoop so low.

 

[Velodude]

so lance's twitt shows he's reading in here, ..<snip>

Back in 2005 Lance was using a service connected to his blackberry that alerted him every time his name came up on the internet.

In 2011 there must be not enough hours in the day to respond to all alerts

This blogging website has been previously referred to on the forum. Blogger was receiving 10 hits per day. Starting writing an unaffectionate piece on LA and hits reached 300 - mostly from LA related sources.

http://bikezilla.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/lance-armstrong-hes-earned-more-than-bad-press/

Included within those 300 hits were multiple hits per day from the same Blackberry IP, which had me truly excited, because I’d read “Lance Armstrong’s War” and knew that 1. Lance was a Blackberry addict and 2. He had EVERY article with his name in it sent directly to said Blackberry.

 

[Oldman]

Back in 2005 Lance was using a service connected to his blackberry that alerted him every time his name came up on the internet.

In 2011 there must be not enough hours in the day to respond to all alerts

This blogging website has been previously referred to on the forum. Blogger was receiving 10 hits per day. Starting writing an unaffectionate piece on LA and hits reached 300 - mostly from LA related sources.

That would indicate something pathological or institutional. You'd expect someone mimicking NSA data collection ala' the Bourne Identity to be that interested in themselves.

But that would be just crazy.

 

[Polish]

Much the problem with Armstrong compared to other dopers was the method. Most dopers doped.

My most sickening memory was the Catlin affair. After watching the 2008 Tour and noticing that the riders had dialled back on the gear he saw an opportunity. He could come back and beat this guys whilst still doping himself. .

C'mon, the Hog, seriously, 2008 was the dirtiest year since 1998.
Although 2006 and 2007 were filthy also.

I think you have been reading too much Kimmage lol.

Rewind the tape and the truth is in the pain]exhausted portrait of the Austrian Bernard Kohl[/b] - second overall and King of the Mountains - as he collapsed after crossing the line. The moment of the race.

But not everyone was pleased. No, back in the press room, some of the muppets who had glorified the Robo-cop years were bemoaning the lack of “spectacle”. They had spent so much time with their heads up the arses of the cheats, they had forgotten:this is how it looks when it’s clean.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article4407072.ece

Sure, 2008 was the "Clean Tour" hahaha.
2008 Giro was the "Clean Giro" hahaha.

New EPO CERA and the Donkey Brigade.

2009 and 2010 the tide started to turn towards clean again.
Hope we don't backslide like after Lance's first retirement

 

[Berzin]

Being Spanish, I cannot see him as one of Novitzky's targets. When was Pepe last on US soil?

Maybe Pepe is on the Spanish radar!

This is why I asked. If this guy isn't on the radar of the US Feds, one of the police agencies in Europe MUST be on his trail.

Anyone have any Ferrari updates? How's he holding up?

 

[Stevie039]

Back in 2005 Lance was using a service connected to his blackberry that alerted him every time his name came up on the internet.

In 2011 there must be not enough hours in the day to respond to all alerts

This blogging website has been previously referred to on the forum. Blogger was receiving 10 hits per day. Starting writing an unaffectionate piece on LA and hits reached 300 - mostly from LA related sources.

I want him to find my LA Prison Tribute video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMECsLwmzjQ

I wonder what i need to type in to alert him, i'll try "Lance Armstrong breaking news" and "Lance Armstrong indictment issued"

 

[Benotti69]

I think he has some 'people' for that stuff. No need for him to stoop so low.

I imagine he's pretty much 'addicted' to the clinic.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yeah valid point Hog, but to me, that pales into insignificance compared to the flack received by Greg, Mike, Betsy, Frankie, Emma, Paul at TOC. ...This incomplete list needs adding to!

If you think for a minute, their lives have turned onto roads they would not normally have chosen.

And all to protect the myth and more importantly the money, because it is always about the dollars and maybe in this case some hidden Swiss currency.

There is an old saying "What goes around, comes around". If he finally does the Perp walk, he only has himself to blame.


Personally, I would like to thank Novitzky et all for their ongoing investigation.
.

While I agree with the sentiment, the myth was built by the team running Tailwind and CSE. (Knaggs, both Stapletons, Weisel, and more) Perp walks and felony convictions for all of them.

 

[Oldman]

While I agree with the sentiment, the myth was built by the team running Tailwind and CSE. (Knaggs, both Stapletons, Weisel, and more) Perp walks and felony convictions for all of them.

I'll quote again from one of my favorite movies, Trading Places: "it seems the best way to get back at a rich person is to make them poor." Rather see these guys spend alot and lose all social credibility rather than languishing in some low-security country club. Let other aggreived investors go after them on any civil fraud and make their lives a little miserable every f*cking day.

 

[fatandfast]

I'll quote again from one of my favorite movies, Trading Places: "it seems the best way to get back at a rich person is to make them poor." Rather see these guys spend alot and lose all social credibility rather than languishing in some low-security country club. Let other aggreived investors go after them on any civil fraud and make their lives a little miserable every f*cking day.

Check out this weeks Onion about Obama getting reelected using Rep money,same sentiment and very funny. This punishment is never going to fit the crime. Lance is not MC Hammer although he did wear pants like him early on. He is not going to have all his cash taken and from the looks of things he will continue to have earning potential off the bike even while only coming up for air occasionally in his legal cesspool.
You better wish for something else beside financial ruin. With the way he races after long layoffs you are going to have to go way down the list of punishments . Not allowing him to look in a mirror is sure to kill him, but little else has effected Senor Cera

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Check out this weeks Onion about Obama getting reelected using Rep money,same sentiment and very funny. This punishment is never going to fit the crime. Lance is not MC Hammer although he did wear pants like him early on. He is not going to have all his cash taken and from the looks of things he will continue to have earning potential off the bike even while only coming up for air occasionally in his legal cesspool.
You better wish for something else beside financial ruin. With the way he races after long layoffs you are going to have to go way down the list of punishments . Not allowing him to look in a mirror is sure to kill him, but little else has effected Senor Cera

Do you think a stint in prison will impact his earning potential? How might a RICO conviction impact his finances?

Consider:
RICO Laws and Statutes
Imprisonment and heavy fines are often handed down for RICO violations. Specifically, the maximum punishment for an individual on a single RICO charge is imprisonment for twenty years (possibly life if any of the alleged crimes, such as murder, would permit such a punishment), and a fine of $250,000 or twice the proceeds of the offense.

Asset Forfeiture
In addition to decades in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines for RICO violations, you may also have to forfeit any property that was gained in through illegal means. Federal and state authorities are increasingly using asset forfeiture as a form of punishment, and this could mean your television, car, clothes and even your house could be taken away by the government.
http://www.criminaldefensefirm.com/index.php/topics/rico-penalties

 

[fatandfast]

Do you think a stint in prison will impact his earning potential? How might a RICO conviction impact his finances?

Consider:
RICO Laws and Statutes
Imprisonment and heavy fines are often handed down for RICO violations. Specifically, the maximum punishment for an individual on a single RICO charge is imprisonment for twenty years (possibly life if any of the alleged crimes, such as murder, would permit such a punishment), and a fine of $250,000 or twice the proceeds of the offense.

Asset Forfeiture
In addition to decades in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines for RICO violations, you may also have to forfeit any property that was gained in through illegal means. Federal and state authorities are increasingly using asset forfeiture as a form of punishment, and this could mean your television, car, clothes and even your house could be taken away by the government.
http://www.criminaldefensefirm.com/index.php/topics/rico-penalties

this makes sense a guy with no traffics tickets, that runs a non profit, recent retired from his full time job, cancer survivor, businessman,father,husband is going to get pinched because a would be race car racer with an ever improving story said so? You probably think it was a good idea for Ms.Diallo to get legal advise from Flandis in the Dominique Strass
Khan case. You are going to be very disappointed in the outcome for sure.

Even if Lance is found guilty of something the complexity of a world wide web like US Postal will make it pretty hard for anybody to believe that Armstrong is the mastermind of anything. Each passing week has to make you more concerned that Lance may have slipped through the final crack, I know its of concern but you better get a what if plan in place when his next appearance on 60 minutes is for his Ironman finish .

LA may be a scum, womanizer,poor sport, ego maniac but no jury will believe that he could have ever devised a criminal enterprise that would stand this duration. Impossible, not that he didn't dope just that he is smart enough to put in place the people and systems worldwide to not get caught.
you may want to pitch your idea to a screen writer so that Lance can be the villain in an upcoming scifi film.

You have given him super powers over the whole world. I can't wait for them to go over his training logs. On the bike 4-7 hours, massage,food, team meetings, bus, plane and train travels,races, personal appearances, invented a charity worth millions, TV commercials,photo sessions, interviews and in his off time he developed something nobody
else could ,a fool proof plan. He is sounding more like Capt America or Superman

This guy is having kids and dating supermodels and actresses w 1 nad, you better process just how good he is. He reinvented apple juice!! He bought Sachs, spray painted the components and people are waiting in line to buy the stuff. he sells cars with no gas tank!! He sells beer with no taste or calories for money..I don't think you realize who you are dealing with,

 

[Oldman]

Check out this weeks Onion about Obama getting reelected using Rep money,same sentiment and very funny. This punishment is never going to fit the crime. Lance is not MC Hammer although he did wear pants like him early on. He is not going to have all his cash taken and from the looks of things he will continue to have earning potential off the bike even while only coming up for air occasionally in his legal cesspool.
You better wish for something else beside financial ruin. With the way he races after long layoffs you are going to have to go way down the list of punishments . Not allowing him to look in a mirror is sure to kill him, but little else has effected Senor Cera

I was referring to the other, really rich guys. You know, the guys pulling Lance's strings.
Lance's credibility is already gone and he can still make money. You just have to go to the Caesar's Forum shops and see Pete Rose signing autographs for pay at a memorbilia store to witness how easy it is. Lance needs to pay attention to America's Sweetheart Sprinter to see his future.