Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Ferminal]

Gee, um thanks for the support.

You wouldn't be confident?

 

[Polish]

.....Attack the messenger, a common tactic of those with something to hide.

Attack the messenger?
You are a messenger?

You are using the Michelob Ultra causes cancer routine....

Not a case of "attacking the messenger" lol.
Better defined as "confronting a troll".

Why "no hookers and blow" questions lol again.

 

[Anonymous]

Gee, um thanks for the support.

This was part of a very organized effort to smear me for daring to ask questions. A few weeks ago I noticed that several highly placed Livestrong people were following me on Twitter. I sent them a message that I had some questions about the charity and asked if they would the answer them for me. They said yes and their lead spokesperson gave me her email address.

I sent this email list of questions. http://www.scribd.com/doc/51738605/Livestrong-questions

Her response was to refuse to answer my questions via email and say that the only way it could be done would be if I flew to Austin and met them in their offices..... Despite the promises of "Transparency" I got the brush off.

I had no intention of making my questions public however yesterday I looked at my twitter mentions and saw that a wide variety of people who I had never interacted with, followed, or knew, were encouraging their followers to confront me. At first it was harmless, sharing positive stories about how Livestrong helped them, but it quickly degenerated into dozens of personal attacks. Many of these personal attacks included reference to some of the topics I included in my email. As I had yet to post my email it appeared to me as some form of coordinated effort to smear me. My posting of the email was an attempt to clarify the misrepresentations that many people were suddenly claiming of me....of course this just made them step up their campaign.

In the last 24 hours I have been accused of a wide variety of things online and been the target of a flood of insults. My questions remain unanswered.....Attack the messenger, a common tactic of those with something to hide.

You have nothing to worry about. They can huff and puff, but they can't blow your house down. All they can do is the same thing their leader does, try to intimidate those who speak the truth about them. Interestingly, if you want to see the real story on LAF, its there for anyone with a computer and half a brain to see: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6570

"81 cents on the dollar" my a$$!

 

[D-Queued]

Gee, um thanks for the support.

This was part of a very organized effort to smear me for daring to ask questions. A few weeks ago I noticed that several highly placed Livestrong people were following me on Twitter. I sent them a message that I had some questions about the charity and asked if they would the answer them for me. They said yes and their lead spokesperson gave me her email address.

I sent this email list of questions. http://www.scribd.com/doc/51738605/Livestrong-questions

Her response was to refuse to answer my questions via email and say that the only way it could be done would be if I flew to Austin and met them in their offices..... Despite the promises of "Transparency" I got the brush off.

I had no intention of making my questions public however yesterday I looked at my twitter mentions and saw that a wide variety of people who I had never interacted with, followed, or knew, were encouraging their followers to confront me. At first it was harmless, sharing positive stories about how Livestrong helped them, but it quickly degenerated into dozens of personal attacks. Many of these personal attacks included reference to some of the topics I included in my email. As I had yet to post my email it appeared to me as some form of coordinated effort to smear me. My posting of the email was an attempt to clarify the misrepresentations that many people were suddenly claiming of me....of course this just made them step up their campaign.

In the last 24 hours I have been accused of a wide variety of things online and been the target of a flood of insults. My questions remain unanswered.....Attack the messenger, a common tactic of those with something to hide.

An excellent set of questions.

Most/all of which should not pose a problem under general transparency.

RR, you likely would like all of these answered. This does not seem unreasonable at all. Me, I would settle for a (believable) response to even one. I won't even specify.

To suggest that the charity patron and namesake is not swirling in controversy at the moment is folly. That his personal dealings either reflect on the charity and/or involve the charity is no surprise. He himself is trying to make himself inseparable from it.

Clarifying the travel policy, or lack thereof, would be a nice start.

However, as stated above, just pick one and provide an honest answer.

As far as RR providing his name. This is stupid. Nobody should fear an anonymous question. The issue is not RR's identity.

The issue is Lance and the dealings and transparency for the Livestrong charity.

Dave.

 

[Berzin]

I find it strange that they didn't answer even one of those questions.

The beer sponsorship and the HgH questions are particularly scathing.

Good job, Race Radio.

 

[Kennf1]

Someone over on Bicycling.com is very upset with "Mr. Radio."
Race Radio LIES
Just a small portion:

The whole "Fact" routine reminds me of Inspector Clouseau.

 

[Oldman]

Gee, um thanks for the support.

This was part of a very organized effort to smear me for daring to ask questions. A few weeks ago I noticed that several highly placed Livestrong people were following me on Twitter. I sent them a message that I had some questions about the charity and asked if they would the answer them for me. They said yes and their lead spokesperson gave me her email address.

I sent this email list of questions. http://www.scribd.com/doc/51738605/Livestrong-questions

Her response was to refuse to answer my questions via email and say that the only way it could be done would be if I flew to Austin and met them in their offices..... Despite the promises of "Transparency" I got the brush off.

I had no intention of making my questions public however yesterday I looked at my twitter mentions and saw that a wide variety of people who I had never interacted with, followed, or knew, were encouraging their followers to confront me. At first it was harmless, sharing positive stories about how Livestrong helped them, but it quickly degenerated into dozens of personal attacks. Many of these personal attacks included reference to some of the topics I included in my email. As I had yet to post my email it appeared to me as some form of coordinated effort to smear me. My posting of the email was an attempt to clarify the misrepresentations that many people were suddenly claiming of me....of course this just made them step up their campaign.

In the last 24 hours I have been accused of a wide variety of things online and been the target of a flood of insults. My questions remain unanswered.....Attack the messenger, a common tactic of those with something to hide.

I've had a recent attack on my primary email account that only involves this website occurring around 3 pm PST. Not the first account mischief related to who knows? Anyone else getting this treatment?

 

[leftover pie]

I find it strange that they didn't answer even one of those questions.

The beer sponsorship and the HgH questions are particularly scathing.

Good job, Race Radio.

they're pleading the 5th.

 

[Topangarider]

Common sense.

Really? I've enjoyed this forum precisely because contributors provide evidence and support their assertions with facts. I've enjoyed many of your posts but don't see how this story helps LA in any way and I definitely don't find an assertion of common sense as acceptable substitution for facts. You asserted collaboration or cooperation between LA and Strickland as fact when you should have stated thats its merely conjecture.

 

[Race Radio]

Of course I am not concerned, the libel babble comes from their uninformed groupies. No real lawyer would say that

It is comical that they pretend that I am hiding behind the RR name. Wonderboy and his buddies know exactly who I am. The story of how they got that info is disturbing and shows how desperate they are. Will have to save it for another day as I do not want to interfear any current cases.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Really? I've enjoyed this forum precisely because contributors provide evidence and support their assertions with facts. I've enjoyed many of your posts but don't see how this story helps LA in any way and I definitely don't find an assertion of common sense as acceptable substitution for facts. You asserted collaboration or cooperation between LA and Strickland as fact when you should have stated thats its merely conjecture.

I'll add my limited experience in the media. Strickland is a professional and Rodale has been pushing the myth for so long there's no work for Team Pharmstrong. Really. No schemes required by Public Strategies. It's more a case of self interests aligning, strongly.

This is may be the start of a counter offensive. The same 'Lance uses human shield to protect himself from The Law' story may repeat for a while until something better comes along.

 

[BroDeal]

Really? I've enjoyed this forum precisely because contributors provide evidence and support their assertions with facts. I've enjoyed many of your posts but don't see how this story helps LA in any way and I definitely don't find an assertion of common sense as acceptable substitution for facts. You asserted collaboration or cooperation between LA and Strickland as fact when you should have stated thats its merely conjecture.

It helps Armstrong if he believes that he will be publicly exposed. It is better to have a friend frame the doping issue in a way that does Armstrong the least damage. Getting ahead of bad news is a standard technique used in politics. Friends in the media, whether they are journalists, talk show hosts, or whatever, are always used as the conduit. In many cases trial balloons are floated to see how the public reacts. The reaction is then used to shape the public relations campaign.

Armstrong right now is in an extremely bad position if this goes to trial. He would have to defend two fronts. He would need to deny criminal wrongdoing related to fraud, but he would have to do so while maintaining that he did not dope. The risible lies about not doping would destroy the credibility of his denials of criminal wrongdoing.

Bill Strickland has been Armstrong's salad tosser in chief for more than a decade. He has written books for both Armstrong and Bruyneel. He has had better access than anyone who was not part of Armstrong's teams. It is not believable that he could not put one and one together long ago. Men's Health has milked the Armstrong fraud much more than Bicycling, and that magazine could continue to put Armstrong on the cover as he does triathlons. Armstrong has an insatiable need to maintain his celebrity status, so Strickland could likely get another book out of Armstrong in a few years. Both Rodale and Strickland are giving up money. So the obvious question is why did Strickland choose this moment to publish the truth about Armstrong? Why did he and Rodale decide to burn their bridge to Armstrong?

Strickland would have us believe that an admission, presumably from Armstrong, opened his eyes. But his article showed no anger about being not just duped but being used to deceive others. The article was one big unctuous excuse for Armstrong. It reads like it could have been written by Armstrong's PR people with blank spots left for Strickland to insert heartfelt personal info to make the article even more sympathetic. This was not the article that would be written by someone who just figured out that he was a chump.

I think the obvious answer is that this is the first step in a new strategy by Armstrong to soften the public to the fact that he doped. If the information is dripped out slowly then by the time the proof comes or Armstrong is finally forced to admit then he can downplay the significance by saying it is old news.

 

[frenchfry]

RR is doing a lot of the heavy lifting, but he clearly has a lot of support from a dedicated group of cycling enthusiasts. Keep up the good work!

 

[cprior]

Gee, um thanks for the support.

In my small circle of sport-friends I do share these stories once in a while. Not that I had influential friends. But I am happily trickling this down into base-level sport.

I think it is important to counter the party line. The fact that he wore black socks gives me an extra motivation!

 

[Stingray34]

Agreed, highly pertinent questions, especially with regards to the simple inconsistency of a cancer charity's patron promoting alcohol and the site's advertising of HgH 'cures'.

The LAF could do with a thorough going-over by a reputable investigative journalist. The behaviour of some of their representatives seems almost cultish.

Should the current investigation become a trial, methinks a number of them will be lining up to do just that.

Well done, RR - you'd make a good investigative journalist yourself.

 

[veganrob]

Absolutely. Very well done RR.
it is very obvious that the way the LA camp is attacking you they have an awful lot of misdeeds to hide.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Apparently, everyone knows who RR is except me.

In any case, keep up the good work, RR. I hope the empty threats from the Fraudstrong bootlickers don't give you pause for even a microsecond.

Their hero is a lying sack.

 

[jimmypop]

Of course I am not concerned, the libel babble comes from their uninformed groupies. No real lawyer would say that

It is comical that they pretend that I am hiding behind the RR name. Wonderboy and his buddies know exactly who I am. The story of how they got that info is disturbing and shows how desperate they are. Will have to save it for another day as I do not want to interfear any current cases.

Thanks for sharing these anecdotes. More than ever, I hope Armstrong is publicly shamed and loses everything he built on the back of cancer sufferers.

 

[Granville57]

Her response was to refuse to answer my questions via email and say that the only way it could be done would be if I flew to Austin and met them in their offices

Jeezus. RenditionStrong?!
Sounds creepy as hell to me.

Did they offer you "the jet" to make your travel more comfortable and convenient?

 

[Stingray34]

RR, you should consider calling their bluff and visit their offices in Austin. Ask them beforehand what exactly they have in mind to show you or talk to you about, who will be there, how long, etc.

Then, if things are different, you can call them up on that too. Maybe they could arrange having Gunderson there himself to give you 'the look.' Scary stuff.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Of course I am not concerned, the libel babble comes from their uninformed groupies. No real lawyer would say that

It is comical that they pretend that I am hiding behind the RR name. Wonderboy and his buddies know exactly who I am. The story of how they got that info is disturbing and shows how desperate they are. Will have to save it for another day as I do not want to interfear any current cases.

I ,for one, am a fan, RR. Your insight and offerings are much appreciated. I didn't realize that your identity was now known by LA and his clan, though. Someday when it is appropriate I would love to hear the story behind that...
keep up the good work.

 

[D-Queued]

...

Armstrong right now is in an extremely bad position if this goes to trial. He would have to defend two fronts. He would need to deny criminal wrongdoing related to fraud, but he would have to do so while maintaining that he did not dope. The risible lies about not doping would destroy the credibility of his denials of criminal wrongdoing.

...

And the average American will probably connect a lot more dots about doping and lying, number of balls and their size, and hot as donut grease chicks... given the publicity around the current major perjury & doping trial.

'Oh yeah, just another loud-mouth, lying, doping athlete with small/one ball.'

Dave.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow, there are a lot of Armstrong lackies out there. I posted the truth about LAF on Bicycling's website via Charity Navigator ( http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6570 ), and apparently it ruffled some feathers.

LAF is an extension of Mr. Armstrong's ego. There are far better charities to send your money to. The truth of that cannot be hidden.

 

[Polish]

Wow, there are a lot of Armstrong lackies out there. I posted the truth about LAF on Bicycling's website via Charity Navigator ( http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6570 ), and apparently it ruffled some feathers.

LAF is an extension of Mr. Armstrong's ego. There are far better charities to send your money to. The truth of that cannot be hidden.

Yes, there are better charities than LAF duh.
Are there are worse ones duh again.

But choosing a charity to support is a personal decision.
Do not need advice from church ladies or trolls.

My personal favorites are the Red Cross and the Halfway House for Federal Prisoners reentering society...http://www.bop.gov/locations/cc/index.jsp

I will say one thing about the LAF haters and trolls - they sure drum up support for the LAF Charity.
2010 was a GREAT year due to Floyd and all the publicity.
And when indictments come down in 2011 - another great year will happen.
Funny how that works harhar
Everybody's funny, now you're funny too....

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, there are better charities than LAF duh.
Are there are worse ones duh again.

But choosing a charity to support is a personal decision.
Do not need advice from church ladies or trolls.

My personal favorites are the Red Cross and the Halfway House for Federal Prisoners reentering society...http://www.bop.gov/locations/cc/index.jsp

I will say one thing about the LAF haters and trolls - they sure drum up support for the LAF Charity.
2010 was a GREAT year due to Floyd and all the publicity.
And when indictments come down in 2011 - another great year will happen.
Funny how that works harhar
Everybody's funny, now you're funny too....

I assure you that I am not a church lady.

Past that, once the fraud of the century is exposed, people will begin sending their money where it can do the most good. The LAF is a poor choice...if only sheep could see that...glad you have though, that makes you a huckleberry.