Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Race Radio]

You're completely right as usual. I have no issue with LA paying the price, I'm the most righteous ****er you will ever meet. Sometimes I don't get the level of devotion. When RR said he doesn't know the guy I was even more surprised, I reserve that level of doggedness for people who have actually wronged me. Oh well to each his own, anyway I swore off slagging on posters, strictly topics from now on. I'm going to follow your example!

Reading is not a strength for you is it?

 

[BroDeal]

I view this as a major win. When Armstrong's most ardent defenders like JRTinMA are denying that they are fans of his, you know the S.S. Armstrong is taking on water fast. Iceberg Novitzky dead ahead. All rats abandon ship. Every rat for himself.

I cannot wait for House to come here and tell us that he always thought that Armstrong was doping.

 

[Oldman]

actually he had ample time after chemo. if you're health is reasonably good (other than the cancer, of course) you can bounce back from the chemo quickly.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? After losing all muscle mass you think there's a legal way to "bounce back quickly". Didn't work for me.

 

[Digger]

I know you don't believe me but I have never been a Lance fan either. Never owned a trek and actually never owned any pro kit. This all started because some cat felt it was ok to make some snarky comment to fat guy on a treadmill. I don't see how that behavior is okay at all. I do admit its fun to take the other side, its fun to see the usual cast of characters jump in, but alas I have forgone that fun for some serious clinic debate, pffft.

On a serious note, I was in a trial all week, what was LA's big announcement he tweeted about a few weeks ago? Was it the Strickland article? That seems weird.

I made the comment because of the Radioshack kit........in no way whatsoever did I make the comment because of the weight. I am not like that when it comes to those issues believe me. Absolutely not. Just wanted to clear that little part up.

 

[Digger]

actually he had ample time after chemo. if you're health is reasonably good (other than the cancer, of course) you can bounce back from the chemo quickly.

In the time frame outlined - to not finishing one day races and short stage races, to fourth in the Vuelta in a few months. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[thehog]

actually he had ample time after chemo. if you're health is reasonably good (other than the cancer, of course) you can bounce back from the chemo quickly.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? After losing all muscle mass you think there's a legal way to "bounce back quickly". Didn't work for me.

Thank-you. Some reality to the situation. Its one thing for Armstrong to "come back" from cancer but to pretend to fellow cancer suffers that not only can you "come back" but you come back "physically stronger" is deception beyond words.

I wonder how many Doctors who've had to tell their patients that they their road to recovery after chemo will be long and hard for the patient to tell them "Lance came back stronger". I've seen it with my own eyes. So sad.

 

[thehog]

 

[JRTinMA]

Reading is not a strength for you is it?

Didn't realize once 20 years ago constituted knowing somebody. Didn't mean to sell your relationship short.

 

[patricknd]

actually he had ample time after chemo. if you're health is reasonably good (other than the cancer, of course) you can bounce back from the chemo quickly.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? After losing all muscle mass you think there's a legal way to "bounce back quickly". Didn't work for me.

do you really think he lost all that much muscle mass? from the muscle standpoint, and blood values i came back fast. it took longer to recover from chemo brain than anything else.

 

[Anonymous]

You're completely right as usual. I have no issue with LA paying the price, I'm the most righteous ****er you will ever meet. Sometimes I don't get the level of devotion. When RR said he doesn't know the guy I was even more surprised, I reserve that level of doggedness for people who have actually wronged me. Oh well to each his own, anyway I swore off slagging on posters, strictly topics from now on. I'm going to follow your example!

..Don't go overboard there, you'd still have a hard time telling me from a 3rd grader sometimes...

 

[Race Radio]

Troll babble.

Wonderboy does not have friends, he has employees.

 

[Oldman]

do you really think he lost all that much muscle mass? from the muscle standpoint, and blood values i came back fast. it took longer to recover from chemo brain than anything else.

Based on what he had said (granted this was only in person and not in print); his bedridden period took him to ground zero. He could hardly sit on a trainer for the first week of attempting to ride and while he could have been exagerating his infirmity for dramatic effect; the description came from him.

 

[patricknd]

Based on what he had said (granted this was only in person and not in print); his bedridden period took him to ground zero. He could hardly sit on a trainer for the first week of attempting to ride and while he could have been exagerating his infirmity for dramatic effect; the description came from him.

how did your experience compare? i'm not being combative, by the way, i'm curious.

 

[JRTinMA]

Pointless babble

Get over it.

 

[Oldman]

how did your experience compare? i'm not being combative, by the way, i'm curious.

I forced myself to get on a trainer after each down (bad) day of treatment for sanity's sake. In relative terms it wasn't "working out" but it probably helped. I didn't try to hang in a Pro 1,2 race until 3 months after stopping treatment and that was tough on flat ground. I also did not have any EPO or steroids prescribed because we'd hoped to avoid that but it was tempting based on how bad I felt.I] My hematocrit dropped 20% in two weeks and the headaches were insane. The hemo bottomed out at 30% below normal but rebounded after treatment within 4 weeks.

 

[patricknd]

I forced myself to get on a trainer after each down (bad) day of treatment for sanity's sake. In relative terms it wasn't "working out" but it probably helped. I didn't try to hang in a Pro 1,2 race until 3 months after stopping treatment and that was tough on flat ground. I also did not have any EPO or steroids prescribed because we'd hoped to avoid that but it was tempting based on how bad I felt.I] My hematocrit dropped 20% in two weeks and the headaches were insane. The hemo bottomed out at 30% below normal but rebounded after treatment within 4 weeks.

that's a fast bounce back. i did 3 months chemo, then surgery, then 2 months chemo and radiation. like you, both times my blood was back to normal within a month. i did steroids and i was able to workout 6 days a week throughout, although there were days when i really had to force myself.

 

[sartain]

Wonderboy does not have friends, he has employees.

AND business associates, and of course JK?

 

[BroDeal]

how did your experience compare? i'm not being combative, by the way, i'm curious.

The first year I was pretty useless and did not exercise much. The second I rode quite a lot but was hella weak. I remember riding with a fat buddy who was a hundred pounds heavier than me, and he would kill me on hills. It was depressing. On lots of short climbs I knew what gear I used to jam up the climbs with, so it was frustrating to be forced to use a way smaller one. It did not help that before I would do stupid stuff like climb to ski resorts in my big ring and a low cadence. Third year was much better but I still was not as strong as before.

 

[patricknd]

The first year I was pretty useless and did not exercise much. The second I rode quite a lot but was hella weak. I remember riding with a fat buddy who was a hundred pounds heavier than me, and he would kill me on hills. It was depressing. On lots of short climbs I knew what gear I used to jam up the climbs with, so it was frustrating to be forced to use a way smaller one. It did not help that before I would do stupid stuff like climb to ski resorts in my big ring and a low cadence. Third year was much better but I still was not as strong as before.

i was lucky being at sea level, it's way easier. did you do radiation too? that was what i had the hardest time getting over.

 

[BroDeal]

i was lucky being at sea level, it's way easier. did you do radiation too? that was what i had the hardest time getting over.

No radiation.

I started at 155 pounds and 8% body fat. I was lucky because it was early spring, and I had gained some weight during winter. If I had been diagnosed a month later then I would have weighed my usual 150. At the end of the summer I would have weighed 148. I finished chemo at 134 pounds. The loss of muscle mass affected me a lot because I had always loved to climb out of the saddle in a big gear, like 3000+ feet out of the saddle virtually the entire time.

 

[patricknd]

No radiation.

I started at 155 pounds and 8% body fat. I was lucky because it was early spring, and I gained some weight during winter. If I had been diagnosed a month later then I would have weighed my usual 150. At the end of the summer I would have weighed 148. I finished chemo at 134 pounds. The loss of muscle mass affected me a lot because I had always loved to climb out of the saddle in a big gear, like 3000+ feet out of the saddle virtually the entire time.

I actually gained from 170 to 190. I took a nausea med called emend that worked great on me, and with the steroids I was eating all the time. I got fat but kept my muscle really well.

 

[thehog]

http://www.theservicecourse.com/2011/03/raising-awareness.html - an essay on the BiCycling article.

 

[webvan]

Not bad, I'm surprised he doesn't taunt Strickland for not giving any insight on why he decided all of a sudden that LA was a doper other than "he must have doped because everyone was doping and look it doesn't matter because all the champs got caught". That missing link has me annoyed since day one.

 

[BroDeal]

Not bad, I'm surprised he doesn't taunt Strickland for not giving any insight on why he decided all of a sudden that LA was a doper other than "he must have doped because everyone was doping and look it doesn't matter because all the champs got caught". That missing link has me annoyed since day one.

I am surprised that he uses so much space describing the possible financial fallout to Rodale, how tough of a decision it must have been, and Strickland's moral wrangling but never considers that this remarkable turnaround was done with Armstrong's okay. Strickland's article was a hagiography of Armstrong. Even with the doping content, a more--dare I say it--positive picture of Armstrong could hardly be drawn. The article ends by praising him for being a bad ass bike racer.

 

[Topangarider]

I am surprised that he uses so much space describing the possible financial fallout to Rodale, how tough of a decision it must have been, and Strickland's moral wrangling but never considers that this remarkable turnaround was done with Armstrong's okay.

what's your evidence that Armstrong approved Strickland's article and/or the author's public assertion that LA doped?