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[Poursuivant]

It can run as long as the Justice Department thinks the investigation warrants it as long as they have an indictment within the statute of limitations.

Thanks for that.

 

[Poursuivant]

One must presume at this point the Feds already have a knee-deep stack of sealed indictments, so the clock will have stopped running on those charges. But there is no requirement that all charges must be either brought or tried simultaneously, so I doubt their choice of timing for serving them would be influenced by the Aspen incident.

Unless RICO is among the charges to be brought. I can see where they would want to delay a RICO trial so that incident could be included.

Thanks for that. Must be torturous for Armstrong, no matter how nonchalant he claims to be, it would be on anyones mind. He says it has no bearing on his life, yet feels the need to taunt Novitzky via twitter. A part of him must be just wanting the indictments to come so he knows what he is up against.

 

[python]

Who claimed they weren't a fan? <snip>

i tentatively see your point and i hate to dog-pile, but didn't you claim to be firmly on the fence wrt mr armstrong ?

if memory serves, you also claimed a desire to gloat over the fact that many posters here will never see texas indicted ?

didn't you also complain that the forum moderation is too anti-armstrong ?

if my memory is right (in fact, it is and your statements have been on record for quite a while) am i entitled to assume you're no longer on the fence and fully switch into a fanboy mode ?

judging by your (and the others) latest post, many think you did but it would be wrong to claim we *know* you climbed off the fence.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Thanks for that. Must be torturous for Armstrong, no matter how nonchalant he claims to be, it would be on anyones mind. He says it has no bearing on his life, yet feels the need to taunt Novitzky via twitter. A part of him must be just wanting the indictments to come so he knows what he is up against.

Yes, he taunts Novi, slings threats at Tyler, plays 'cold shoulder' games with Levi, boots Frankie, ridicules Pelkey, on and on...not to mention hiring so many lawyers he could found a small village....
completely nonchalant. ha.

and love the way some naysayers are frantic to get more info and clarification about everything, as if there is something that they might be missing.

Thanks for posting some interesting info , Cimacoppi...
I'm taking your word for it.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Look back through your own posts and even you will see the desperation.

Wonderboy is going to jail. It will be a slow motion train wreck and in the end it will not matter if the indictments were handed down at Thanksgiving, Easter, or Christmas

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[MarkvW]

Wonderboy is going to jail?

........

We don't know what the charges are. We don't know what the proof is. We don't know who the judge is. It's been about sixteen months since the investigation began.

Reason has nothing to do with pretentious predictions that Armstrong will be indicted, convicted, or sentenced to time

 

[Polish]

Thanks for that. Must be torturous for Armstrong, no matter how nonchalant he claims to be, it would be on anyones mind. He says it has no bearing on his life, yet feels the need to taunt Novitzky via twitter. A part of him must be just wanting the indictments to come so he knows what he is up against.

I think that is the main reason we fanboy/groupies are desperate

What with Lance being tortured and Lance freaking out.
Lance getting fat and Lance going grey.
Big sigh.

I'm going to go out and ride my bike now....
Doubt if my cadence will top 40rpm.

 

[red_flanders]

We don't know what the charges are. We don't know what the proof is. We don't know who the judge is. It's been about sixteen months since the investigation began.

Reason has nothing to do with pretentious predictions that Armstrong will be indicted, convicted, or sentenced to time

Fair points. Also true that we know what a lot of the evidence is or could be, and are probably not far off if you assume what is known publicly is just the tip of the iceberg.

I am very interested in what the feds actually charge him with. That's certainly when it gets interesting.

I certainly hope if the hammer does fall on him, it helps clean up this and several other sports. That's the most good that could come out of it, aside from justice being done in a particular case.

 

[Race Radio]

We don't know what the charges are. We don't know what the proof is. We don't know who the judge is. It's been about sixteen months since the investigation began.

Reason has nothing to do with pretentious predictions that Armstrong will be indicted, convicted, or sentenced to time

Really?

We have 2, or more, saying Armstrong was a source of drugs
Multiple sources for evidence of a payoff and special access for cash (FCPA)
Evidence of millions of $$ in bank transfer to Ferrari
Multiple witness of taking drugs into Switzerland
Witness intimidation? Yeah we got that
Fraud? Yup, got that too
Bags of cash from Post Tour Crit's? Yup, got that
Qui Tam? Yeah, that is going good too.
All run by Doug Millar......highest conviction rate in the nation

At this point the better question would be what is the weakest part of the Government's case.

 

[Velodude]

Really?

We have 2, or more, saying Armstrong was a source of drugs
Multiple sources for evidence of a payoff and special access for cash (FCPA)
Evidence of millions of $$ in bank transfer to Ferrari
Multiple witness of taking drugs into Switzerland
Witness intimidation? Yeah we got that
Fraud? Yup, got that too
Bags of cash from Post Tour Crit's? Yup, got that
Qui Tam? Yeah, that is going good too.
All run by Doug Millar......highest conviction rate in the nation

At this point the better question would be what is the weakest part of the Government's case.

Also:

Money laundering & income tax evasion - private sales of (surplus and end of season) US Postal Trek bikes to fund team doping program (per F Landis).

Money laundering & income tax evasion #2 - alleged over invoicing of US Postal for purchases by conspiratorial third party to provide funds for doping program.

Undertaking medical procedures without a license.

Being in illegal possession of a clinical trial drug and transporting that drug over international borders.

There could possibly be Federal indictments made for bribery of UCI and/or UCI officials and the conduct of LAF charity if LA personally benefited from transactions that were statutorily required to be disclosed and were in breach of compliance requirements of a tax exempt charity.

 

[Race Radio]

Also:

Money laundering & income tax evasion - private sales of (surplus and end of season) US Postal Trek bikes to fund team doping program (per F Landis).

Money laundering & income tax evasion #2 - alleged over invoicing of US Postal for purchases by conspiratorial third party to provide funds for doping program.

Undertaking medical procedures without a license.

Being in illegal possession of a clinical trial drug and transporting that drug over international borders.

There could possibly be Federal indictments made for bribery of UCI and/or UCI officials and the conduct of LAF charity if LA personally benefited from transactions that were statutorily required to be disclosed and were in breach of compliance requirements of a tax exempt charity.

The list goes on....

Blood is a also a controlled substance. The extraction, storage, and transfusion of it is controlled.

The bribery of the UCI would fall under FCPA. It is no surprise that one of Armstrong's many lawyers is a FCPA expert. It will also be no surprise when part of the smear campaign against Miller includes a FCPA case he lost on appeal.

The French transfusion equipment investigation? No, it is not dead. They are waiting for the Federal charges before they file.

But Wonderboy wants everyone to think there is nothing to see, case is going nowhere, witch hunt, blah, blah.....and anyone that questions the myth is just an obsessed stalker. As usual the talking points fail

 

[fatandfast]

As many as 21 elected have chimed in on if Roger Clemens gets tried, Dem or Rep all say the crime has been paid for and that "we" don't have the money for such cases.

Now inside and outsiders can see how politics screws with other branches of government. Armstrong's case will be very expensive, very unpopular and most important a career sinker for lots of politicians. When asked about the pursuit of justice, spending millions on if Lance did something wrong while winning bike races 10 years ago will appear pretty foolish to regular voters who already think the courts are wasting load of cash "fighting crime". If he is not indicted before this years Wall St bonuses go out color him clear. The outrage is coming but toward Pharmstrong at a cost of 10 million,no way.

all is well in France and Belgium today but wait until the expense bills roll in for fact finding missions, the voters will not hear of it.Lance should follow Tyler on twitter so he can avoid the little gnome until this blows over.

Tyler are you takin' that snowshoe job? I hear there is little doping controls in competitive snowshoe racing

 

[JRTinMA]

Troll babble

I asked a question to an obsessed stalker, I didn't reference myself. Move on troll before you get another ban.

 

[Polish]

Really?

All run by Doug Millar......highest conviction rate in the nation

At this point the better question would be what is the weakest part of the Government's case.

Mr Millar IS awesome.
Very very awesome.
More awesome than Bordry or Pound.
WADA and the AFLD are children compared to Mr Millar & FEDs lol.
Carabinieri and Interpol work with the Mr Millar & FEDs.

18months and counting, the FEDs gathering every morsel against Lance.

NO WAY Lance can win this battle.
He would have to be really really REALLY awesome.
C'mon, no one is THAT awesome.
Right?

 

[python]

fanboy babble.

move on fanboy, i asked 4 questions to an obsessed poster using his own words. nothing wrong with being a fanboy except pretending you are not and getting angry when faced with the truth.

 

[python]

One must presume at this point the Feds already have a knee-deep stack of sealed indictments, so the clock will have stopped running on those charges. But there is no requirement that all charges must be either brought or tried simultaneously, so I doubt their choice of timing for serving them would be influenced by the Aspen incident.

Unless RICO is among the charges to be brought. I can see where they would want to delay a RICO trial so that incident could be included.

to the bolded - THAT in my opinion is the likeliest cause for the long time it takes. several posters with legal experience explained the intricacies in the 'legal' thread. i also think that novi and miller realize that moving too fast in a complex case would be counterproductive.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I asked a question to an obsessed stalker, I didn't reference myself. Move on troll before you get another ban.

move on fanboy, i asked 4 questions to an obsessed poster using his own words. nothing wrong with being a fanboy except pretending you are not and getting angry when faced with the truth.

You know, I sometimes have had some little problems with snakeboy, but he has got you dead to rights this time. I'm pretty sure that JRTinMA = Just a Real Troll in MA.

 

[thehog]

You raise a good point. But no one has chimed in for Lance. With the exception of one senator who belives that god created earth and that black people should be slaves. Outside the political area all Lance had in terms of support is Patrick bloody Jonker!

The silence is deafening.

If it was such a waste of money then where is the opposition?

I'd say fried - medium to well done.

As many as 21 elected have chimed in on if Roger Clemens gets tried, Dem or Rep all say the crime has been paid for and that "we" don't have the money for such cases.

Now inside and outsiders can see how politics screws with other branches of government. Armstrong's case will be very expensive, very unpopular and most important a career sinker for lots of politicians. When asked about the pursuit of justice, spending millions on if Lance did something wrong while winning bike races 10 years ago will appear pretty foolish to regular voters who already think the courts are wasting load of cash "fighting crime". If he is not indicted before this years Wall St bonuses go out color him clear. The outrage is coming but toward Pharmstrong at a cost of 10 million,no way.

all is well in France and Belgium today but wait until the expense bills roll in for fact finding missions, the voters will not hear of it.Lance should follow Tyler on twitter so he can avoid the little gnome until this blows over.

Tyler are you takin' that snowshoe job? I hear there is little doping controls in competitive snowshoe racing

 

[Berzin]

i tentatively see your point and i hate to dog-pile, but didn't you claim to be firmly on the fence wrt mr armstrong ?

if memory serves, you also claimed a desire to gloat over the fact that many posters here will never see texas indicted ?

didn't you also complain that the forum moderation is too anti-armstrong ?

if my memory is right (in fact, it is and your statements have been on record for quite a while) am i entitled to assume you're no longer on the fence and fully switch into a fanboy mode ?

judging by your (and the others) latest post, many think you did but it would be wrong to claim we *know* you climbed off the fence.

This is the issue I have also.

How can someone say he doesn't care what happens to Lance one way or another, yet is certain he'll be found innocent in court?

Then spend time addressing not any of the legal issues brought up or any of the facts, but other poster's so-called "obsession" with Armstrong?

Seems to be taking both sides at once so he can cover himself just in case he's wrong. I think at a certain point, despite the fact that I had a post deleted when I addressed this issue, is the problem with letting trolls run amok.

This type of nonsensical stance does not lend itself to addressing the issues at hand, which is what is sorely lacking from the fanboy perspective.

 

[JRTinMA]

This is the issue I have also.

How can someone say he doesn't care what happens to Lance one way or another, yet is certain he'll be found innocent in court?

Then spend time addressing not any of the legal issues brought up or any of the facts, but other poster's so-called "obsession" with Armstrong?

Seems to be taking both sides at once so he can cover himself just in case he's wrong. I think at a certain point, despite the fact that I had a post deleted when I addressed this issue, is the problem with letting trolls run amok.

This type of nonsensical stance does not lend itself to addressing the issues at hand, which is what is sorely lacking from the fanboy perspective.

1) I don't care and rich people who play the game always walk. Its really quite easy. If I am a fan or not is immaterial to the facts. You have to remove the emotion and lies to see the facts. This place is full of both.

2) He came on with his groupie comment and I responded. He used the term obsessed himself and I copied him and used it again. You really have to read and think for yourself instead of believing the lies in here.

3) I have nothing to cover, you will be one of the ones gnashing your teeth if he walks. If he goes to jail I will be wrong, if he walks see how many in the clinic can admit they were. Your post was deleted because it was blatant trolling, imagine that. See just because you disagree does not make me a troll.

4) When you or anybody uses the term fanboy I win. While you are actually doing the trolling it proves you have nothing. Especially from somebody who flip flops all the time on dopers and has absolutely no basis at all. I have taken the same stance all along, he will walk.

 

[red_flanders]

4) When you or anybody uses the term fanboy I win.

How does one win if they haven't taken a side? What exactly are you winning here?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

1) I don't care and rich people who play the game always walk. Its really quite easy. If I am a fan or not is immaterial to the facts. You have to remove the emotion and lies to see the facts. This place is full of both.

Always?

2) He came on with his groupie comment and I responded. He used the term obsessed himself and I copied him and used it again. You really have to read and think for yourself instead of believing the lies in here.

Quite true - which is why I called you on misrepresenting the opinion that Cimacoppi wrote earlier this year.

3) I have nothing to cover, you will be one of the ones gnashing your teeth if he walks. If he goes to jail I will be wrong, if he walks see how many in the clinic can admit they were. Your post was deleted because it was blatant trolling, imagine that. See just because you disagree does not make me a troll.

Isn't the highlighted obsessive?
No-one knows if LA will end up in jail or not - it is nothing more than opinion, which you and they are perfectly entitled to have.

However I don't understand the emotion you have invested in whether people will be right or wrong in the matter.
It is that kind of behavior that calls in to question your motivation when you continue to do so.

BTW - I have been quite clear that I do not think LA will serve any prison time - if I am wrong, I will happily admit it.

4) When you or anybody uses the term fanboy I win. While you are actually doing the trolling it proves you have nothing. Especially from somebody who flip flops all the time on dopers and has absolutely no basis at all. I have taken the same stance all along, he will walk.

He will walk..... as in no prison, perhaps.

We here have gone through an exhaustive list of potential charges that could arise from this investigation, I actually think if there is disappointment it will be in what charges are finally made that they did not include more.
But I feel that they will only proceed with charges that they feel they are exceedingly confident in securing convictions.

So Armstrong may not serve any prison time, he may get a fine that for him is small - but the collateral damage will be that he will be exposed for what he really is and his 'legacy' will be in ruins.
For an egomaniac like Armstrong that in itself will be hardest punishment to take.

 

[ChrisE]

You tell 'em, JRT. You fanboy. Funny how reasoned well thought out takes earns one the label of fanboy.

Right on about the resident schizo Berzin.

 

[JRTinMA]

How does one win if they haven't taken a side? What exactly are you winning here?

Doc will be along soon to explain to the difference between bulleted or numbered sets of text. Its like a "hard stop" only WAY more obvious.

 

[JRTinMA]

You tell 'em, JRT. You fanboy. Funny how reasoned well thought out takes earns one the label of fanboy.

Right on about the resident schizo Berzin.

And they dare call me angry, I was smiling the entire time!