Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[MacRoadie]

after live$trong there is still the moonies, $cientology, christianity and others all looking for guys like you....

He forgot "Now, unlike the rest of you, I'm gonna go ride my bike."

 

[MacRoadie]

Agreed, there is plenty of speculation in the clinic, but let us move on.

There is a strong argument that WonderBoy committed perjury at his SCA deposition.

WSJ and SI did some fine investigative reporting. Another fact being they would have checked with their legal advisers before printing.

A subset of available information: WSJ, SI, Floyd, Tyler, Betsy, Frankie, Mike, SCA evidence, US Postal contract with the no PED clause.

You are welcome to put your money on WonderBoy escaping the Novitzky net. Good luck with that bet.

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Probably why, when Armstrong's attorneys demanded an apology from CBS for their Hamilton piece, the response was:

[Armstrong's reps] asked for an apology, which they will never get. We're proud of that story.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Cimacoppi49, I really look forward to reading your posts. Your Legal Eagle input is much appreciated.

cheers
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Thanks.

 

[MacRoadie]

Why they worked for that fine fellow GReg Lemond. That is a fact but maybe just a conicidence?
Now then lookign at the FACTS who does lemond HATE?
Lemond had 70,000 pages of documents he turned over to the feds.

Dude, did you get bumped off the email list or something? LeMond talking points are so 2010. You'd better hook up with Polish and get the debrief. 2011 is all about smear campaigns, witch hunts and leaks.

2011 is the "Year of the Fed."

Oh, and before you launch your next ranting diatribe accusing others of "dim intelligence", you might try buying a dictionary and a thesaurus, or at the very least try learning to run spell check.

 

[thehog]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/iteam/2011/08/26/2011-08-26_lances_lawyers_take_shot_at_feds.html

Lance getting wound up. Again.

You cannot be serious!

 

[Berzin]

Lance getting wound up. Again.

You cannot be serious!

So Lance is getting his attorneys to go on the offensive, as if bullying them is going to work.

Sorry Lance-I know you're doing this "to protect the best interests of cycling", but there is no Simeoni in the Federal courthouse to chase down and intimidate into oblivion.

 

[sniper]

At least Mcquaid is no longer in denial:

“We are looking towards a golden era,” McQuaid told The Associated Press. “We are certainly coming out of a dark period, and we’re not yet through everything.

http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20110819/NEWS0107/108190408/

 

[MarkvW]

So Lance is getting his attorneys to go on the offensive, as if bullying them is going to work.

Sorry Lance-I know you're doing this "to protect the best interests of cycling", but there is no Simeoni in the Federal courthouse to chase down and intimidate into oblivion.

From Lance's perspective, the motion is zero risk. Although the motion has a low probability of success, Lance is rich, so why not throw a few thousand dollars worth of motions at the court and see what happens?

Nobody knows what charges the feds may still be investigating. Lance knows no more about the GJ than anyone who reads the Clinic. Lance is plainly using this motion as a discovery tool.

With no real basis in fact, Lance argues that a GJ leak exists. The feds are obligated to respond and say "No it doesn't, and here's why." The "here's why" part is the information that Lance is after. The feds are trying to keep this (and all their investigation) secret. Lance wants to know what the Feds are up to.

I think that we can reasonably expect that the feds have investigated Lance's assertions of a leak and have found them baseless. The report of that sub-investigation would tell Lance a lot about the primary investigation. You can bet that the feds have presented summaries of that sub-investigation among the materials filed under seal with the court.
Lance would LOVE to see that!

Lance must really be wondering who he can trust now.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

So Lance is getting his attorneys to go on the offensive, as if bullying them is going to work.

Sorry Lance-I know you're doing this "to protect the best interests of cycling", but there is no Simeoni in the Federal courthouse to chase down and intimidate into oblivion.

For an innocent man, Lance is spending a ton of money to have his attorney's try to bully and intimidate the Justice Department. I like to think of it as his attorneys baiting a bear. It won't be long before Grizzly Fed bites down real hard.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

From Lance's perspective, the motion is zero risk. Although the motion has a low probability of success, Lance is rich, so why not throw a few thousand dollars worth of motions at the court and see what happens?

Nobody knows what charges the feds may still be investigating. Lance knows no more about the GJ than anyone who reads the Clinic. Lance is plainly using this motion as a discovery tool.

With no real basis in fact, Lance argues that a GJ leak exists. The feds are obligated to respond and say "No it doesn't, and here's why." The "here's why" part is the information that Lance is after. The feds are trying to keep this (and all their investigation) secret. Lance wants to know what the Feds are up to.

I think that we can reasonably expect that the feds have investigated Lance's assertions of a leak and have found them baseless. The report of that sub-investigation would tell Lance a lot about the primary investigation. You can bet that the feds have presented summaries of that sub-investigation among the materials filed under seal with the court.
Lance would LOVE to see that!

Lance must really be wondering who he can trust now.

I estimate the cost of making these motions, including the PR/Fabiani side, somewhere between $70 and $90 thousand.

It would really be a hoot if the judge gives Armstrong a redacted version that looks like Moses' CIA file in the movie RED.

 

[powerste]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/iteam/2011/08/26/2011-08-26_lances_lawyers_take_shot_at_feds.html

Lance getting wound up. Again.

You cannot be serious!

I LOL'd at the headline "Lance Armstrong's lawyers impatient with government..."

 

[sniper]

I LOL'd at the headline "Lance Armstrong's lawyers impatient with government..."

Yep, Lance's team is clearly pulling the strings here, calling the shots, determining the course of events.

 

[Oldman]

So Lance is getting his attorneys to go on the offensive, as if bullying them is going to work.

Sorry Lance-I know you're doing this "to protect the best interests of cycling", but there is no Simeoni in the Federal courthouse to chase down and intimidate into oblivion.

*edited by mod*

 

[Polish]

I thought Mr Munson was a Hater, but maybe he is a FanBoy?

Or maybe he just wants to see things done properly?
Without "bending or stretching rules".
Hear Hear.

federal prosecutors in Los Angeles are asking a federal judge to make a decision that would violate centuries-old customs and practices of the legal system.

In an investigation as massive and as important as the government's probe of Armstrong, the government prosecutors should be able to protect the integrity of their grand jury's work without bending and stretching the rules.

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/...ake-weak-effort-roger-clemens-retrial-attempt
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[roadfreak44]

after live$trong there is still the moonies, $cientology, christianity and others all looking for guys like you....

guys like me? that require proof of guilt in any given situation and not just innuendo and unsubstantiated allegations?
I hope if you are ever on trial for your life or reputation for a major offense that you get to go in fornt of guys like me. If you got a jury comprised of deep thinkers like yourself your lower exterior portal will be green meadow growth.

 

[powerste]

I thought Mr Munson was a Hater, but maybe he is a FanBoy?

Or maybe he just wants to see things done properly?
Without "bending or stretching rules".
Hear Hear.



http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/...ake-weak-effort-roger-clemens-retrial-attempt
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It's in front of a judge. She doesn't care what you, Munson, or I have to say about it. She's seen the defense motions and prosecutors' responses and unlike Munson or anyone here in the Clinic, she knows what the prosecution has, on whom, and how they got it. She can weigh the evidence and make a decision. When she does, I'm sure we'll talk about it plenty here in the Clinic

Also bear in mind that no indictments have been handed down, so it's not like we're in a trial's discovery phase here or something. AFAIK the defense isn't automatically entitled to anything until a judge decides they are since their client hasn't been legally accused of anything.

Specifically re: Munson, I'm not willing to take him at face value since he shows obvious bias (the prosecutors "are demanding..." that the judge terminate the leak investigation; "supposedly" secret material) and makes some pretty sweeping statements with no supporting examples:
- "In most situations, ex parte communications to a judge are viewed as potentially corrupt and are prohibited."
- "...violate centuries-old customs and practices of the legal system."

And finally he says, "...the government prosecutors should be able to protect the integrity of their grand jury's work without bending and stretching the rules" but despite being a lawyer, doesn't suggest how they could do so.

I've never heard of him before, so I don't know (or care anyway) if he's a fanboy, hater, both, or neither. But given the obvious slant of his article and his decision not to back up his broad assumptions, I'm not impressed so far.

 

[Velodude]

guys like me? that require proof of guilt in any given situation and not just innuendo and unsubstantiated allegations?I hope if you are ever on trial for your life or reputation for a major offense that you get to go in fornt of guys like me. If you got a jury comprised of deep thinkers like yourself your lower exterior portal will be green meadow growth.

So you would conduct yourself in a manner diametrically opposed to that poster who started a thread in The Clinic titled "Lemond the Doper"?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I thought Mr Munson was a Hater, but maybe he is a FanBoy?

Or maybe he just wants to see things done properly?
Without "bending or stretching rules".
Hear Hear.



http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/...ake-weak-effort-roger-clemens-retrial-attempt
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Care to provide some case law supporting Munson's assertion? And I'm still waiting for you to point out a couple of my predictions, Fanboy.

 

[powerste]

Care to provide some case law supporting Munson's assertion? And I'm still waiting for you to point out a couple of my predictions, Fanboy.

Since Munson chose not to do so in his own ESPN piece, I'm with you in hoping that Polish can enlighten us all here. Not at all impressed with the Munson article, regardless of what he might think of LA.

 

[mewmewmew13]

From Lance's perspective, the motion is zero risk. Although the motion has a low probability of success, Lance is rich, so why not throw a few thousand dollars worth of motions at the court and see what happens?

Nobody knows what charges the feds may still be investigating. Lance knows no more about the GJ than anyone who reads the Clinic. Lance is plainly using this motion as a discovery tool.

With no real basis in fact, Lance argues that a GJ leak exists. The feds are obligated to respond and say "No it doesn't, and here's why." The "here's why" part is the information that Lance is after. The feds are trying to keep this (and all their investigation) secret. Lance wants to know what the Feds are up to.



I think that we can reasonably expect that the feds have investigated Lance's assertions of a leak and have found them baseless. The report of that sub-investigation would tell Lance a lot about the primary investigation. You can bet that the feds have presented summaries of that sub-investigation among the materials filed under seal with the court.
Lance would LOVE to see that!

Lance must really be wondering who he can trust now.

I have to say I totally agree with you on this one.

 

[Polish]

Care to provide some case law supporting Munson's assertion? And I'm still waiting for you to point out a couple of my predictions, Fanboy.

You can't be serious.

Dude, do your own homework.
And it is not "a couple" of incorrect predictions.
More than 2......it is Multiple incorrect predictions.

And when you finish with that homework, you can work on tough extra credit:
Find one of your correct predictions.
Needle in a haystack that one.

 

[Dallas_]

Desperado

I hope if you are ever on trial for your life or reputation for a major offense that you get to go in fornt of guys like me. If you got a jury comprised of deep thinkers like yourself your lower exterior portal will be green meadow growth.

If we listen to your theory, then WonderBoy will probably be getting involuntary twitches in his hip region about now.

His legal team are acting like desperadoes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BwOXlGbW6Q

cheers
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[mewmewmew13]

For an innocent man, Lance is spending a ton of money to have his attorney's try to bully and intimidate the Justice Department. I like to think of it as his attorneys baiting a bear. It won't be long before Grizzly Fed bites down real hard.

I like this analogy...it pretty much hits it.

Lance thinks he is puffing his chest and calling the shots...

 

[JRTinMA]

Care to provide some case law supporting Munson's assertion? And I'm still waiting for you to point out a couple of my predictions, Fanboy.

Your predictions have been well documented and to date have been all wrong. Good news is you're safe between imminent and Christmas.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Your predictions have been well documented and to date have been all wrong. Good news is you're safe between imminent and Christmas.

LOL!! Tell me two things I have "predicted" here on this forum. Go ahead, Fanboy. Feel free to consult with Polish. Surprise me.