Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Cal_Joe]

Care to provide some case law supporting Munson's assertion? And I'm still waiting for you to point out a couple of my predictions, Fanboy.

Actually, I would be interested in any summaries of case law supporting or discrediting Munson's assertions. Also, I think it would be best if that discussion were carried out in the existing legal thread found here -

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=9234

The reason I am suggesting that thread is that there are some ground rules (that have been heavily enforced) that will make for a better discussion - see

We had a thread like this back on the good old days on DPF.

Basically a place to post questions and answers on legal issues in a civil manner, with (hopefully) competent US attorneys answering the questions. It's not a place to debate the issues, but a place to learn more about the nuts and bolts. Statutes, applicable laws, evidentiary issues, etc.

For example, there is an ongoing misunderstanding (and one not limited to this forum by any means) with regard to circumstantial evidence. Many people believe eyewitness testimony is circumstantial and a blood bag is direct evidence, when in fact the opposite is true.

Some ground rules, per the management:

No bickering, off topic discussions, trolling, baiting, or even attempts at being humorous. Keep it pragmatic, concise and to the point. Otherwise the thread will soon lose its significance

When it digresses in long back and forths, because someone wants to be right or can't let the debate go, I'll have to do a whole lot of cleaning up

Any takers?

 

[Anonymous]

This is fascinating! Arguments about whose speculations are superior!

Reminds me of that quote - "Fighting over religion is like fighting over whose imaginary friend is best."

But of course, nobody here is a fanatic adherent to any particular viewpoint, so any comparison to religion is obviously invalid.

You sure do post a lot in Lance threads...(You are the biggest fraud here. You aren't fooling anyone.)

 

[Velodude]

You can't be serious.

Dude, do your own homework.
And it is not "a couple" of incorrect predictions.
More than 2......it is Multiple incorrect predictions.

And when you finish with that homework, you can work on tough extra credit:
Find one of your correct predictions.
Needle in a haystack that one.

Polish, in relation to your non responsive response to the question put I refer you to John McEnroe, enfant terrible tennis player who always wore a head sweat band to hide his circumcision scar, who once famously said:

"Answer my question ..the question, jerk!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Vxr8EEyc4

 

[Cimacoppi49]

You can't be serious.

Dude, do your own homework.
And it is not "a couple" of incorrect predictions.
More than 2......it is Multiple incorrect predictions.

And when you finish with that homework, you can work on tough extra credit:
Find one of your correct predictions.
Needle in a haystack that one.

Still waiting for those exact "predictions" I made that have not come to fruition. If you and your MA fanboy friend had any, I think we would have seen them by now.

You might want to look at these cases regarding grand jury secrecy prior to the completion of the grand jury's investigation.
See United States v. Moten, 582 F.2d at 662-63; United States v. Colonial Chevrolet Corp., 629 F.2d at 949; In re Grand Jury Proceedings Northside Realty Assocs., 613 F.2d 501 (5th Cir. 1980); In re Antitrust Grand Jury, 805 F.2d 155 (6th Cir. 1986); United States v. Clavey, 565 F.2d 111 (7th Cir. 1977), cert. denied, 439 U.S. 954 (1978); In re Grand Jury Proceedings in Matter of Freeman, 708 F.2d 1571 (11th Cir. 1983).

Note the cert. denied. Lance is bullsh**ing the judge on the case. That will not get him very far (that's a prediction, vague though it is as to defining "very far"). He should just wait for the indictment and he'll have everything he wants to defend himself. Patience is a virtue.

 

[JRTinMA]

LOL!! Tell me two things I have "predicted" here on this forum. Go ahead, Fanboy. Feel free to consult with Polish. Surprise me.

For some cat in his 60's you throw around fanboy a lot. Sounds a little foolish. Take that google law degree and do some research, you won't have to look very hard.

 

[Race Radio]

Still waiting for those exact "predictions" I made that have not come to fruition. If you and your MA fanboy friend had any, I think we would have seen them by now.

Don't hold your breath, I am still waiting for evidence of Novitzky leaking

 

[Polish]

Your predictions have been well documented and to date have been all wrong. Good news is you're safe between imminent and Christmas.

LOL!! Tell me two things I have "predicted" here on this forum. Go ahead, Fanboy. Feel free to consult with Polish. Surprise me.

JRTinMa is right Cima.
ALL your predictions have been wrong.
Show us ONE correct one?

Anyway, way back when in my "Prediction Poll" you predicted Lance would be indicted by St Valentines Day 2011.

Wrong lol.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=12064

 

[Polish]

Don't hold your breath, I am still waiting for evidence of Novitzky leaking

Lol.

This coming from the guy who told us "Bruyneel and Lance flushed Floyd's blood" in the toilet out of spite.

And "Lance bribed the UCI $500,000"

Two of the biggest incorrect myths floating around the Clinic.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Lol.

This coming from the guy who told us "Bruyneel and Lance flushed Floyd's blood" in the toilet out of spite.

And "Lance bribed the UCI $500,000"

Two of the biggest incorrect myths floating around the Clinic.

"Bruyneel flushed Floyd's blood down the toilet after Lance ordered him to."

"Lance gave the UCI $500,000 to keep them quiet and called it a donation for a Sysmex machine....but he couldn't really recall the exact amount or the times of donation."

These sound more correct, Thanks ,Polish, for pointing them out.

 

[Race Radio]

And "Lance bribed the UCI $500,000"

Are you calling Wonderboy a liar? He told many friends, teammates, and staff this and the figure was always the same.

Let us know when you find the leak.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Amazing about how once a week or so this thread devolves into the gutter. It's almost to the point where it's no longer informative, but just a spray fest where people can come in and post anything from opinions to nonsense to insults.

I'd think some of you would know better and rise above it, maybe not. I guess I can handle the lack of substance, but when you reduce yourselves to baiting and insulting each other, it makes me wonder if I need to get the ban hammer out.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Amazing about how once a week or so this thread devolves into the gutter. It's almost to the point where it's no longer informative, but just a spray fest where people can come in and post anything from opinions to nonsense to insults.

I'd think some of you would know better and rise above it, maybe not. I guess I can handle the lack of substance, but when you reduce yourselves to baiting and insulting each other, it makes me wonder if I need to get the ban hammer out.

Point taken, Alpe.

 

[JA.Tri]

Amazing about how once a week or so this thread devolves into the gutter. It's almost to the point where it's no longer informative, but just a spray fest where people can come in and post anything from opinions to nonsense to insults.

I'd think some of you would know better and rise above it, maybe not. I guess I can handle the lack of substance, but when you reduce yourselves to baiting and insulting each other, it makes me wonder if I need to get the ban hammer out.

Some time ago I really enjoyed reading this thread...even contributed (shock). While I visit on occasion, I have, for some time, been disappointed by both the personal attacks and the lack of new thoughts/information. Way back when it was great to read the "news", consequent debate and speculation.

That is the crux..."we" are awaiting some real news...rather than clutter this thread with detritus, please exercise a modicum of discretion...

 

[epo1999]

I agree. If you don't have a link to a new article about the investigation, there really isn't a need to post. Although I just did...

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Amazing about how once a week or so this thread devolves into the gutter. It's almost to the point where it's no longer informative, but just a spray fest where people can come in and post anything from opinions to nonsense to insults.

I'd think some of you would know better and rise above it, maybe not. I guess I can handle the lack of substance, but when you reduce yourselves to baiting and insulting each other, it makes me wonder if I need to get the ban hammer out.

What did you expect? The thread is a free fire zone for Polish's trolling. For an unfathomable reason members feel that it is necessary to respond, as if they are debating a serious poster. From there it is SSDD.

The purpose of the baiting is to make the thread worthless. It has succeeded.

 

[jackwolf]

What did you expect? The thread is a free fire zone for Polish's trolling. For an unfathomable reason members feel that it is necessary to respond, as if they are debating a serious poster. From there it is SSDD.

Agreed one hundred per cent. There seem to be a few intelligent people posting here, but it baffles me how these otherwise very intelligent individuals keep biting the bait over and over. Lads, just ignore the muppet and stop wasting your time and that of readers.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

What did you expect? The thread is a free fire zone for Polish's trolling. For an unfathomable reason members feel that it is necessary to respond...

While I understand your frustration to some degree, it doesn't mean people need to reduce themselves to insults. Nor does it mean, as you say, one has to post, or even acknowledge other posters. There is also the ignore feature.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

While I understand your frustration to some degree, it doesn't mean people need to reduce themselves to insults. Nor does it mean, as you say, one has to post, or even acknowledge other posters. There is also the ignore feature.

If there was a feature to ignore all posts that quote Polish then that might work. As it is the ignore function is near worthless.

 

[Benotti69]

While I understand your frustration to some degree, it doesn't mean people need to reduce themselves to insults. Nor does it mean, as you say, one has to post, or even acknowledge other posters. There is also the ignore feature.

why is the one poster allowed to continue contributing the most to this thread because they have the name Lance in their non sensical posts?

Polish appears to be the autisitic child that gets away with it because of his autism....

 

[jackwolf]

If there was a feature to ignore all posts that quote Polish then that might work. As it is the ignore function is near worthless.

My brain seems to do the job just right, and I don't even use the "ignore" feature. With the very rare exception, I automatically skip any post by him or in which he is quoted. I read the occasional one for the entertainment value. I only advice other people to ignore him because any newbies and potential readers of this forum, not knowing who he is, may waste a considerable amount of time figuring out he's just a troll or a fruitcake. They may also be put off by the amount of rubbish that he, with the unwitting co-operation of others, generates. If everybody ignores him, he'll either get bored or find it increasingly difficult to justify his salary to his employer.

 

[JRTinMA]

My brain seems to do the job just right, and I don't even use the "ignore" feature. With the very rare exception, I automatically skip any post by him or in which he is quoted. I read the occasional one for the entertainment value. I only advice other people to ignore him because any newbies and potential readers of this forum, not knowing who he is, may waste a considerable amount of time figuring out he's just a troll or a fruitcake. They may also be put off by the amount of rubbish that he, with the unwitting co-operation of others, generates. If everybody ignores him, he'll either get bored or find it increasingly difficult to justify his salary to his employer.

Can all of you take your whining, insults and trolling to another thread. Try moderators or this forum blows.

 

[SirLes]

Perhaps the word "interesting" can be removed from the title as it is no longer accurate.

It could be reintroduced when there actually is something interesting to report so we'd know whether to have a look.

 

[jackwolf]

Perhaps the word "interesting" can be removed from the title as it is no longer accurate.

It could be reintroduced when there actually is something interesting to report so we'd know whether to have a look.

Perhaps somebody could publish a compilation titled "Another-Interesting-Piece-I-Found-on-Lance-Armstrong's Interesting Posts"? Bi-annual issues perhaps?

 

[jackwolf]

Can all of you take your whining, insults and trolling to another thread. Try moderators or this forum blows.

Ooops, touché. Have we just found the Kryptonite?

 

[uspostal]

What did you expect? The thread is a free fire zone for Polish's trolling. For an unfathomable reason members feel that it is necessary to respond, as if they are debating a serious poster. From there it is SSDD.

The purpose of the baiting is to make the thread worthless. It has succeeded.

I think more than just 1 person is doing this stuff. Lets not throw it on one guy because he disagrees with you position. This thread stopped being serious months ago, but its all good as long as the people posting realize it.