Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Berzin]

I was in Barnes and Noble yesterday flipping though the magazine in question, and I had to remind myself I was in a bookstore and not a vomitorium, because the author of this horrendous piece of garbage made me want to puke.

It was the most effeminate, obsequious display of homo-erotic man-crush drivel ever committed to print. This guy is talking to his teenage daughter and trying to explain why her dad is almost in tears over the the Armstrong drug allegations, and how much he feels betrayed at the age of 46?

How he gazed longingly into her eyes, looking for a glimpse of redemption...and none came. Or something to that effect. Man, that article was terrible. I'm at a loss.

First of all, this cat is not a journalist. He lost all objectivity a long time ago. Second, his insights are so vapid and forced it sounds as if he was in love with Lance, and now has come to the realization that his lover was what everyone else suspected except for him-a drag queen.

In the end, he still gives the cheater props by reminding us of all the "thrills" he gave everyone on the bike during his Tour reign. "They can take away his jerseys, but they can't take my memories!!!"

I've never been so sick in my life after reading an article.

This article is nothing but an excuse to keep the man-crush alive while admitting that yes, it was built on the fraud of cheating. And the lying about the cheating. And the profiteering from said cheating. What it does is it exempts Armstrong from any moral or ethical categorization, as if his Tour wins should exist on a different plane on the strength of his fanboy's love of him. What is missing from this is a sense of outrage that the author has been cheated. He doesn't feel cheated, he feels jilted that his one-night stand didn't propose to him the next morning.

Wonderboy is asking around, trying to the gauge the possibility of a "Confession".

A confession will be met with this-"Well, everyone else was doing it, so no big deal. It proves that the playing field was level. He was still the best".

I want to see two things happen-no acknowledgment whatsoever of any of his Tour wins (his presence totally removed from the Tour record books) and a detailed listing of the drug regimen he was on, right underneath this commercial with an explanation to all his fans letting them know exactly what he was on-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl5RxhLZ5U

 

[lean mean &green]

This could well be the best strategy he can take. He could certainly strike a good deal, because I would expect he would have something on other people involved

i think we might soon be looking at a vague public confession with many qualifications.

if he goes in front of the grand jury it'll get dicey. he'll have to confess to his own use and where he got the drugs but i think he'll have to plead the 5th on more serious charges of fraud, coercion, trafficking, etc.

 

[sniper]

This could well be the best strategy he can take. He could certainly strike a good deal, because I would expect he would have something on other people involved

The Hog? Verbruggen?
Can't wait for these two fools to be ousted for good.

 

[Digger]

Maybe a confession as farcical as Marion Jones - i thought it was flaxseed.

 

[Barrus]

i think we might soon be looking at a vague public confession with many qualifications.

if he goes in front of the grand jury it'll get dicey. he'll have to confess to his own use and where he got the drugs but i think he'll have to plead the 5th on more serious charges of fraud, coercion, trafficking, etc.

If he takes a deal he won't be able to do this or take the full punishment for all the offences

 

[Granville57]

Maybe a confession as farcical as Marion Jones...

Her stance is even more infuriating now.
She breaks down in tears in front of the microphones, confesses to the world, goes to prison and then...changes her tune altogether.

She's now in a position to gain some support for "fessing up" and yet in her recent interviews she blames all on the people around her and STILL claims not to have known what she was really taking.

I lost even MORE respect for her after her current pathetic bs spin.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-november-15-2010/marion-jones
You can see how surprised Jon Stewart is by her attempt at ignorance. He's obviously not that well versed on the specifics of her case but even he could tell something wasn't right.

 

[flicker]

I was in Barnes and Noble yesterday flipping though the magazine in question, and I had to remind myself I was in a bookstore and not a vomitorium, because the author of this horrendous piece of garbage made me want to puke.

It was the most effeminate, obsequious display of homo-erotic man-crush drivel ever committed to print. This guy is talking to his teenage daughter and trying to explain why her dad is almost in tears over the the Armstrong drug allegations, and how much he feels betrayed at the age of 46?

How he gazed longingly into her eyes, looking for a glimpse of redemption...and none came. Or something to that effect. Man, that article was terrible. I'm at a loss.

First of all, this cat is not a journalist. He lost all objectivity a long time ago. Second, his insights are so vapid and forced it sounds as if he was in love with Lance, and now has come to the realization that his lover was what everyone else suspected except for him-a drag queen.

In the end, he still gives the cheater props by reminding us of all the "thrills" he gave everyone on the bike during his Tour reign. "They can take away his jerseys, but they can't take my memories!!!"

I've never been so sick in my life after reading an article.



A confession will be met with this-"Well, everyone else was doing it, so no big deal. He was still the best".

I want to see two things happen-no acknowledgment whatsoever of any of his Tour wins (his presence totally removed from the Tour record books) and a detailed listing of the drug regimen he was on, right underneath this commercial with an explanation to all his fans-

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I liked the 'Crying Game ' myself. Being an American I am unprejudiced,
fair, and believe in diversity. Unfortunatly you do not find Strickland true to himself. I feel he reached into his 'Pocketful of Courage' and manned up, just as the British Soldier did when he faced something that was unfathomable.
In the article I feel Strickland acknowledged the possibility that 'Our' Lance might of partaken in the elixer of victory. It is cycling after all, if you study the history, as my man Jan Ulrich a question of facing 2+2. All entertainment all good!

 

[Digger]

Her stance is even more infuriating now.
She breaks down in tears in front of the microphones, confesses to the world, goes to prison and then...changes her tune altogether.

She's now in a position to gain some support for "fessing up" and yet in her recent interviews she blames all on the people around her and STILL claims not to have known what she was really taking.

I lost even MORE respect for her after her current pathetic bs spin.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-november-15-2010/marion-jones
You can see how surprised Jon Stewart is by her attempt at ignorance. He's obviously not that well versed on the specifics of her case but even he could tell something wasn't right.

Completely agree........

 

[DirtyWorks]

i think we might soon be looking at a vague public confession with many qualifications.

if he goes in front of the grand jury it'll get dicey. he'll have to confess to his own use and where he got the drugs but i think he'll have to plead the 5th on more serious charges of fraud, coercion, trafficking, etc.

That would be a *big* change in daily operations. Huge. I think the man crush article gives the myth an option to survive. Which is consistent with their general operations of maximizing secrecy.

Best case scenario, IMHO is Tailwind's principals are not asked to appear in front of the grand jury. Just drop it on them. Keeping the lies straight between all the liars will be impossible. Defense will be constrained by all the lies. I'm no lawyer though, so I could be 100% wrong.

 

[Granville57]

Wonderboy is asking around, trying to the gage the possibility of a "Confession"

If that ever happened, I would love to see the reaction from, the UCI, the ASO, and all the directors and riders from all those years that got smoked. Not the other podium dopers but those teams and riders that didn't even make the top ten at the Tour (not to say that they were clean either).

Would there be any outrage or condemnation at all?
Would it just be more of the Bjarne Riis spin about leaving the past behind us?
Would other sponsors raise holy hell?
Would Floyd get his jersey back?

 

[Granville57]

A confession will be met with this-"Well, everyone else was doing it, so no big deal. It proves that the playing field was level. He was still the best".

It would also fulfill his role as the Christ-like figure that his minions have been so desperately clinging to for so long. First he shows himself to have super powers; then he saves the world; then he offers himself up as a sacrifice for the sins of his generation.

Cue theme song, new Nike commercial, speaking-tour of redemption.
All hail The Great One. Now he's flawed! Just like us!

This would be all too familiar to anyone acquainted with the unraveling of the early '80s American televangelists. Their BS was flowing so freely across the airwaves to the converted while most other people just ignored them. Then it all came crashing down with dramatic and tearful confessions and begging for forgiveness once they were found out to be frauds, cheats and liars.

Some people turned away, but those with no moral compass of their own soon embraced the new perspective and somehow found some sort of salvation in the sinner before them.

Hallelujah!

 

[Berzin]

You can see how surprised Jon Stewart is by her attempt at ignorance. He's obviously not that well versed on the specifics of her case but even he could tell something wasn't right.

Stewart was taken by surprise but he handled it well. The thing about his interviews is that he reads between the lines and makes comments that lets his audience know that he knows how full of crap the interviewee is.

Those moments are so nuanced it has a tendency to be missed. He was taken aback but responded brilliantly, with the type of sarcastic subtlety that is his trademark.

Marion Jones suffers from a severe narcissistic personality disorder. The arrogance and hubris she displays is astounding. I found it particularly galling how she mentions that none of her teammates from the relay team have "reached out" to her, as if she were the victim in all this, when the fact is they were stripped of their medals because of HER.

 

[thirteen]

Maybe he can recycle the "what am I on" commercial - with a few modifications of course.

(just to let you know that that was appreciated)

 

[thirteen]

If that ever happened, I would love to see the reaction from, the UCI, the ASO, and all the directors and riders from all those years that got smoked. Not the other podium dopers but those teams and riders that didn't even make the top ten at the Tour (not to say that they were clean either).

Would there be any outrage or condemnation at all?
Would it just be more of the Bjarne Riis spin about leaving the past behind us?
Would other sponsors raise holy hell?
Would Floyd get his jersey back?

the hypocrisy this brings up boggles the mind!

 

[oldschoolnik]

Wonderboy is asking around, trying to the gage the possibility of a "Confession"

Groupies will not care because he did it all to "raise awareness" and beat the evil French.

Anyone have a list of all the Journalists and riders he has eviscerated over the years for even asking him questions about whether he doped or not, let alone actually accusing him of doping? I am confident Oprah or Phil Liggett or whatever softball venue he decides to spill on will certainly ask him about this little issue of his past denials.

 

[D-Queued]

Maybe he can recycle the "what am I on" commercial - with a few modifications of course.

....

Always thought the BMS ad leveraging the 'Driven by What's Inside' was a comical admission.

Given the personality, I wouldn't put it past him to have been smirking about that one.

Dave.

 

[Topangarider]

i think we might soon be looking at a vague public confession with many qualifications.

if he goes in front of the grand jury it'll get dicey. he'll have to confess to his own use and where he got the drugs but i think he'll have to plead the 5th on more serious charges of fraud, coercion, trafficking, etc.

Not sure a person can assert 5th Amendment rights in a grand jury proceeding.

 

[flicker]

It would also fulfill his role as the Christ-like figure that his minions have been so desperately clinging to for so long. First he shows himself to have super powers; then he saves the world; then he offers himself up as a sacrifice for the sins of his generation.

Cue theme song, new Nike commercial, speaking-tour of redemption.
All hail The Great One. Now he's flawed! Just like us!

This would be all too familiar to anyone acquainted with the unraveling of the early '80s American televangelists. Their BS was flowing so freely across the airwaves to the converted while most other people just ignored them. Then it all came crashing down with dramatic and tearful confessions and begging for forgiveness once they were found out to be frauds, cheats and liars.

Some people turned away, but those with no moral compass of their own soon embraced the new perspective and somehow found some sort of salvation in the sinner before them.

Hallelujah!

Only one problem there bro. My Lord Armstrong is an atheist, banged two women of excellence Elisa Basso, and Haven Hamilton and never apologized.
Why should he apologize for doping, it never happened, case closed!

 

[Granville57]

Only one problem there bro. My Lord Armstrong is an atheist, banged two women of excellence Elisa Basso, and Haven Hamilton and never apologized.
Why should he apologize for doping, it never happened, case closed!

An admission is quite different from an apology. I would never expect an apology.

Dopestrong might be an atheist but most of his followers certainly are not, and yet the still him give him a pass on that. Cutting him a little slack for needles and pills will be nothing compared to accepting him as a heathen.

 

[flicker]

An admission is quite different from an apology. I would never expect an apology.

Dopestrong might be an atheist but most of his followers certainly are not, and yet the still him give him a pass on that. Cutting him a little slack for needles and pills will be nothing compared to accepting him as a heathen.

Armstrong does have Bill Clintons PR team on his side. Remember this line.

'I never had sex with that woman'

I expect the same rhetoric from Armstrong as Clinton. I would expect something from Armstrong such as ' I know doping is rife in the peloton. I believe in fair sort and never would dope, it is unhealthy, and tarnishes the sport I love so much. The allegations made against me have been made by known drug cheats, liars and jealous bitter individuals.' That is if, the case comes to trial. No Jimmy Baker whining, no tears ruining the mascara Tammy Fay Baker.

 

[Granville57]

Armstrong does have Bill Clintons PR team on his side. Remember this line.

'I never had sex with that woman'

Ahhh...but that wasn't the exact quote. The devil is in the details. Billy's handlers had him playing semantic gymnastics, and it made him look even more foolish in the end. "Sexual relations" was their lame attempt at an escape hatch.

Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDAXGXGiEw

 

[flicker]

Ahhh...but that wasn't the exact quote. The devil is in the details. Billy's handlers had him playing semantic gymnastics, and it made him look even more foolish in the end. "Sexual relations" was their lame attempt at an escape hatch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDAXGXGiEw

I remember this gem from Bill during Hillary's campaign, when Bill C. was addressing a black caucus, campaigning for Hillary 'After all I have done for you people.' A black I worked with did not take kindly to that remark. I think Clinton lost the black vote at that moment.

Did Armstrong make the same comment?

 

[Granville57]

A black I worked with did not take kindly to that remark.

I'm guessing he/she probably wouldn't take kindly to the above remark either.

 

[Barrus]

Stop it with the politics talk

 

[Granville57]

Stop it with the politics talk

Gladly back on topic...

i think we might soon be looking at a vague public confession with many qualifications.

if he goes in front of the grand jury it'll get dicey. he'll have to confess to his own use and where he got the drugs but i think he'll have to plead the 5th on more serious charges of fraud, coercion, trafficking, etc.

If he takes a deal he won't be able to do this or take the full punishment for all the offences

I wanted to ask: What did you mean here? He won't be able to do...what?