Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Publicus]

Of course I think he was doping.
Of course he paid Ferrari money.

But where does that get us? My beliefs don't count for anything. Possession of dope is almost never done without the dope as evidence. You've got to prove he actually possessed the prohibited chemical. That's almost always done with lab analysis of the seized substance. We ain't getting that with experienced doper Armstrong. Maybe there is conspiracy to possess (if there's a snitch), but the feds don't do multimillion dollar investigations for possession, much less conspiracy to possess.

Ferrari? Can't Lance just say the payments were training consults? What would the feds have to rebut that? Lance might have been stupid on this one, though, because of the money laundering payment reporting statutes. I could see problems if he didn't disclose $10K+ payments as required. That could happen. He wants to hide his relationship with Ferrari so he lies on his disclosure forms. . . . That would be interesting (and no SOL problem either). That one makes sense. Definite possible.

Denial of ownership isn't a crime. The next question is what crime would that false denial be evidence of? I can't think of any.

It is if it obstructs justice. That is still a crime, no? And false denial could be used to prove conspiracy.

Also, too: http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00652.htm

Conspiracy is a continuing offense. For statutes such as 18 U.S.C. § 371, which require an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy, the statute of limitations begins to run on the date of the last overt act. See Fiswick v. United States, 329 U.S. 211 (1946); United States v. Butler, 792 F.2d 1528 (11th Cir. 1986). For conspiracy statutes which do not require proof of an overt act, such as RICO (18 U.S.C. § 1961) or 21 U.S.C. § 846, the government must allege and prove that the conspiracy continued into the limitations period. The crucial question in this regard is the scope of the conspiratorial agreement, and the conspiracy is deemed to continue until its purpose has been achieved or abandoned. See United States v. Northern Imp. Co., 814 F.2d 540 (8th Cir. 1987); United States v. Coia, 719 F.2d 1120 (11th Cir. 1983), cert. denied, 466 U.S. 973 (1984).

 

[Cimacoppi49]

It is if it obstructs justice. That is still a crime, no? And false denial could be used to prove conspiracy.

Also, too: http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00652.htm

An intentional false denial under oath is perjury. There is no statute of limitations problem because the conspiracy is ongoing to the present. I'm surprised Fabiani is allowing any of his minions from the Pit to post on forums anymore.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well yeah …LA stated that he was clean and he also said something along the lines before the comback2.0 that “he would be crazy or something to dope after having cancer”. Duhh

While “we” might have showed it here to be false that does not prove it. Duhh.

Well, there's the rub.
The Feds are not interested in the doping - they will be interested in the criminal enterprise.
The collateral damage for Armstrong is it will not only show he doped, but that he spent considerable sums on the PEDs and on keeping it all quiet.

 

[thehog]

Do I look worried?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-Arizona-Four-Peaks-Urban-Dirt-Triathlon.html

Looks old.

 

[DirtyWorks]

.. Possession of dope is almost never done without the dope as evidence. You've got to prove he actually possessed the prohibited chemical.

This isn't a recreational drug scheme. I don't see why you keep minimizing the awful truths.

Since the PED's in question were/are controlled substances and perhaps even experimental substances probably distributed team-wide, I'd say there's a good chance the delivery system didn't protect the Team.

Add to that the hubris of having the UCI on your side and there's an excellent chance there are many loose ends that will come back to haunt Tailwind.

 

[MacRoadie]

Add to that the hubris of having the UCI on your side and there's an excellent chance there are many loose ends that will come back to haunt Tailwind.

Hubris.

That single word describes the Armstrong and UCI camps to a "T".

 

[Berzin]

The next month is going to be a hard one for you Joe. Good idea to get as many digs in as possible now.

I knew I had something to look forward to this fall besides the Tuesday/Thursday night rides in Central Park!!!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Well, there's the rub.
The Feds are not interested in the doping - they will be interested in the criminal enterprise.
The collateral damage for Armstrong is it will not only show he doped, but that he spent considerable sums on the PEDs and on keeping it all quiet.

Only a doctor would miss the sarcasm.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I knew I had something to look forward to this fall besides the Tuesday/Thursday night rides in Central Park!!!

How could you ever get pumped riding in circles? I mean that little hill on the north side of the park is the only thing besides the rollerbladerrrrs that makes it interesting.

 

[thehog]

How could you ever get pumped riding in circles? I mean that little hill on the north side of the park is the only thing besides the rollerbladerrrrs that makes it interesting.

You forgot one thing...... girls in yoga pants!

Best viewing ride that I do....

The hill on the north side is known as "Harlem Hill"

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You forgot one thing...... girls in yoga pants!

Best viewing ride that I do....

The hill on the north side is known as "Harlem Hill"

the spandex is well used in that park no doubt.

I knew the name of the hill. Used to run there everyday for about 2 years . I nearly was run over by mad rollerblade guy on that hill. I passed him on the way up the hill then coming down he forgot how to control his body and barely missed me but nailed the guy on a Sunday cruiser aka recumbent.

 

[Hugh Januss]

You forgot one thing...... girls in yoga pants!

Best viewing ride that I do....

The hill on the north side is known as "Harlem Hill"

Well it is in Harlem, but we always called it "110th Street Hill". The other hill (with the finish line at the top) is/was "Cat's Paw Hill".

 

[thehog]

the spandex is well used in that park no doubt.

I knew the name of the hill. Used to run there everyday for about 2 years . I nearly was run over by mad rollerblade guy on that hill. I passed him on the way up the hill then coming down he forgot how to control his body and barely missed me but nailed the guy on a Sunday cruiser aka recumbent.

You see some excellent smashes out there... generally some guy running with iPod darts across the road to get smashed up by 50 cyclists.

Did you manage to get out for Lance's twitter run around CP?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I knew I had something to look forward to this fall besides the Tuesday/Thursday night rides in Central Park!!!

i havent listen to "like a rolling stone" for awhile, i would be appropriate

 

[Berzin]

How could you ever get pumped riding in circles? I mean that little hill on the north side of the park is the only thing besides the rollerbladerrrrs that makes it interesting.

Where else am I supposed to ride in NYC when it gets dark around 4:30 pm in the winter?

9W is strictly for the weekends during the fall/winter months, so what else is there? Spinning classes? Not my thing.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You see some excellent smashes out there... generally some guy running with iPod darts across the road to get smashed up by 50 cyclists.

Did you manage to get out for Lance's twitter run around CP?

I would never do a training run with someone as slow as LA. I will not waste my time for people who wear baggy / saggy dukes for running.

Plus or additionaly I just joined twitter about a month ago so no idea when he had his twitt run around central park.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Well it is in Harlem, but we always called it "110th Street Hill". The other hill (with the finish line at the top) is/was "Cat's Paw Hill".

So Cal guy gets around! Did you live there?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Where else am I supposed to ride in NYC when it gets dark around 4:30 pm in the winter?

9W is strictly for the weekends during the fall/winter months, so what else is there? Spinning classes? Not my thing.

From 1980 to 1994 I did my morning training Monday through Friday in CP from 5:15AM until 7am. Occasionally, when I had extra time, I would do .9W to Piermont on a week day. Lighting systems were in use in the dark in both places. We used to ride as long as there wasn't ice on the ground. Those were fun times................

 

[Velodude]

To those devotees of LA who consider his Livestrong charity work will get him off the hook.

Billionaire financier and Wall Street trader, Raj Rajaratnam, was sentenced by a Federal Court to spend 11 years behind bars for the victim less crime of insider trading. There is no parole under the Federal Court system.

Raj Rajaratnam was known for his charity work.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203914304576627191081876286.html

Lawyers representing Mr. Rajaratnam, whose net worth once was an estimated at $1 billion, argued for a sentence of no more than eight years and a month. Family members, friends and associates wrote the court more than 200 letters to support him.

His lead lawyer, John Dowd, didn't appear. Terence Lynam, another lawyer, cited his client's charitable giving and work with a Harlem youth organization.

"Raj Rajaratnam has attempted to make the world a better place," Mr. Lynam said. "If there is a ledger in one's life, he should have some credit to draw upon in that ledger now that things have gone bad."

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/executivesuite/insight/8360284/rajaratnam-a-whizz-kid-who-cheated

There was a better side to the man everyone knew as Raj. In a world where the super rich routinely give money to charities, the convicted insider trader apparently really meant to help, whether it was victims of the Sri Lankan Civil War, of an earthquake in ****stan or of the 9/11 attacks.

"The defendant's response to and care for the less privileged go considerably beyond the norm," [Judge] Holwell said.

 

[thehog]

From 1980 to 1994 I did my morning training Monday through Friday in CP from 5:15AM until 7am. Occasionally, when I had extra time, I would do .9W to Piermont on a week day. Lighting systems were in use in the dark in both places. We used to ride as long as there wasn't ice on the ground. Those were fun times................

I often do the Piermont run on a Sunday. Its a nice ride. The 9W portion I find a bore but Piermont is lovely plus its overrun these days with cyclists. NJ Police also are in ticket mode for red light running.

I still find the CP ride one of the best. There's not many places in the world you can do a almost car free loop in a major city.

 

[Angliru]

To those devotees of LA who consider his Livestrong charity work will get him off the hook.

Billionaire financier and Wall Street trader, Raj Rajaratnam, was sentenced by a Federal Court to spend 11 years behind bars for the victim less crime of insider trading. There is no parole under the Federal Court system.

Raj Rajaratnam was known for his charity work.

...but it appears Rajaratnam was made an example of as a result of the rampant greed on Wall Street that has been brought to surface over the past several years. I'm fearful Armstrong's transgression will not necessarily be seen in the same light when his team brings up his history of charitable acts/contributions weighed against his "crimes".

 

[Polish]

To those devotees of LA who consider his Livestrong charity work will get him off the hook.

Billionaire financier and Wall Street trader, Raj Rajaratnam, was sentenced by a Federal Court to spend 11 years behind bars for the victim less crime of insider trading. There is no parole under the Federal Court system.

Raj Rajaratnam was known for his charity work.

Who the heck has ever heard of Raj Rajatarnam and his charity works?
crickets chirp chirp booyah.

Was there any backlash when Raj was indicted?
crickets chirp chirp booyah.

If you are comparing the response to Raj's indictments to the backlash that will ERUPT with the inevitable Lance indictments - you are sorely mistaken.
Sorely mistaken ouch thats gotta hurt.

Anyway, there has been A LOT of chatter this week in the clinic.
Lots of hater chatter and bonifications.

Therefore, the Fanboys have raised the Indictment Threat Level to Code Red.
Repeat, Code Red.

"Lance will do a perp walk in cuffs on Tuesday or Wednesday"
"Big fluffy fuzzy perp hops. Hop Hop Hop."

 

[MacRoadie]

Therefore, the Fanboys have raised the Indictment Threat Level to Code Red.
Repeat, Code Red.

Just like an amp that "goes to 11", it would appear that the fanboys will now have to find something beyond "Red" for their Idiocy Level...

 

[MacRoadie]

Was there any backlash when Raj was indicted?
crickets chirp chirp booyah.

No, there wasn't any as he is a thieving scumbag who tried to "buy" his way out of a well-deserved prison sentence through self-serving "charitable works" and tax break donations.

Sounds kinda like someone else we know.


Chirp, chirp, booyah...

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Just got off the phone with a friend in law enforcement. He thinks Armstrong was told not to leave the country or he be arrested. I hope they give Polish advance warning of the perp walk so he can be there to erupt.