Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Polish]

Wow that was fast Polish. Do you keep that pic above your bed or in the water closet? Kidding bubs. But that must be in the 'emergency Forum photo' pile beside your computer. Yikes!

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[Race Radio]

This thread is in desperate need of some news.

Even a Hoggiedamus prediction would be better that this awesomeness aerobar drivel.

RR, please something!

OK. How how about some legal stuff?

The guy who has the potential to spend the most amount of time in Prison is Ferrari. He is screwed. Doping multiple riders and laundering millions of $$ exposes you to much more time in prison then flying around on your dope jet. He could be looking at spending the rest of his life in jail

Did you know that the Feds have a 91% conviction rate? The vast majority of these come from guilty pleas. Few cases go to trial and even fewer do the Feds lose. Of the 98,000 total Federal criminal defendants last year only 286 were acquitted by a jury.

Wonderboy has a choice. He can fight the case for years, spend what is left of his money on lawyers, and spend a long time in prison....or work out a deal, save himself and the government money, and spend a much shorter time in prison.

 

[knewcleardaze]

Armstrong is not going to go to prison. Should anything come of this, it will be quietly settled. Worst case scenario for LA is to pay any back taxes and fines, penalties and interest. Any drug trafficking will be explained away as part of his medicinal regime.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Armstrong is not going to go to prison. Should anything come of this, it will be quietly settled. Worst case scenario for LA is to pay any back taxes and fines, penalties and interest. Any drug trafficking will be explained away as part of his medicinal regime.

Since you predict the future so well, could you send me the winning Powerball numbers for next week? Thanks.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

OK. How how about some legal stuff?

The guy who has the potential to spend the most amount of time in Prison is Ferrari. He is screwed. Doping multiple riders and laundering millions of $$ exposes you to much more time in prison then flying around on your dope jet. He could be looking at spending the rest of his life in jail

Did you know that the Feds have a 91% conviction rate? The vast majority of these come from guilty pleas. Few cases go to trial and even fewer do the Feds lose. Of the 98,000 total Federal criminal defendants last year only 286 were acquitted by a jury.

Wonderboy has a choice. He can fight the case for years, spend what is left of his money on lawyers, and spend a long time in prison....or work out a deal, save himself and the government money, and spend a much shorter time in prison.

My experience dealing with the Dept. of Justice is that US Attorneys will not indict unless they feel they have a slam dunk case. If you are the subject of an indictment, it's deal or prison time. Your choice. As you point out, most people deal and plead guilty.

 

[Berzin]

Since you predict the future so well, could you send me the winning Powerball numbers for next week? Thanks.

Powerball? Wasn't that Armstrong's nickname within the peloton?

 

[thehog]

This thread is in desperate need of some news.

Even a Hoggiedamus prediction would be better that this awesomeness aerobar drivel.

RR, please something!

Here’s a talking point for you. Imagine if Armstrong never existed. Where would cycling be now? Festina scandal boy Zulle would have won the 1999 Tour! Gah! Ullrich would have won 2000 to 2003. Kloden would have won 2004 and Basso 2005! Wonder where cycling would have be now? Basso would have got burned in 2006 Ullrich the same and Kloden would have been seen as the clean winner! Floyd still would have won 2006 and then tested positive – well no he wouldn’t because if Lance never existed he wouldn’t have learnt how to dope so Oscar still would have won 2006!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I'm going to stay on topic, since this is the L thread, even though this post is to question how any milligram of credibility or attention can be attributed to tardo's posts. I've followed this thread from the beginning and have seen how tardo obviously knew absolutely all of nothing about cycling, it's history, it's facts and tried to post random facts (many just made up) in order to breath while buried in that great yellow and brown cave.

Now what I see is someone who writes what appears to be drivel coming from the poor 8 yr old kid who came to school stinky every day but had a crush on the bestest kickball player who didn't know they were alive.

Only now, they have 10,000 hours of cycling trivia under their belt and the pile of garbage is truly inspiring.

The tone, manner of writing, and absudity of tardo's posts leave me in wonder as to the point. Intern? Stalker? The best poser troll I've ever seen?

One piece of good cop bad cop rubbish after another.

Let's throw out 10 random "facts of awesomeness".... oh, oops, you caught me on 3 of the lies.....

Yes, yes, I've heard it before, amusing... c'mon people?
I see every single post from tardo as someone standing there simply saying, "neener neener" and we keep falling for it.
Ok, that was my post for the month. Back to his highness, L.

wat? no idea

 

[Oldman]

Powerball? Wasn't that Armstrong's nickname within the peloton?

That, or the Texas Juggernut.

 

[Boeing]

OK. How how about some legal stuff?

The guy who has the potential to spend the most amount of time in Prison is Ferrari. He is screwed. Doping multiple riders and laundering millions of $$ exposes you to much more time in prison then flying around on your dope jet. He could be looking at spending the rest of his life in jail

Did you know that the Feds have a 91% conviction rate? The vast majority of these come from guilty pleas. Few cases go to trial and even fewer do the Feds lose. Of the 98,000 total Federal criminal defendants last year only 286 were acquitted by a jury.

Wonderboy has a choice. He can fight the case for years, spend what is left of his money on lawyers, and spend a long time in prison....or work out a deal, save himself and the government money, and spend a much shorter time in prison.

how about qualifying your assumptions with something other than bitterness and ego?

Seems a reasonable request knowing you make the same demands of those opposed to you point of view

less dogmatic more authentic

 

[Semper Fidelis]

OK. How how about some legal stuff?

The guy who has the potential to spend the most amount of time in Prison is Ferrari. He is screwed. Doping multiple riders and laundering millions of $$ exposes you to much more time in prison then flying around on your dope jet. He could be looking at spending the rest of his life in jail

Did you know that the Feds have a 91% conviction rate? The vast majority of these come from guilty pleas. Few cases go to trial and even fewer do the Feds lose. Of the 98,000 total Federal criminal defendants last year only 286 were acquitted by a jury.

Wonderboy has a choice. He can fight the case for years, spend what is left of his money on lawyers, and spend a long time in prison....or work out a deal, save himself and the government money, and spend a much shorter time in prison.

I have a feeling that his legal team will tell him to fight it. His legal team up to this point do not appear to be that sharp. (in my opinion)

To the Dirtyworker I am not certain what it is that you read into my post and called me out for. I believe you read my post to be something that was propping up the myth? I was pointing out that some say he will be a good triathlete but in my opinion he does not do the training in running or swimming that will make him a good triathlete. I am not sure how that is read to be propping him up.

 

[lean mean &green]

wat? no idea

i thought the post was pretty clear but i'll translate:

tardo = an insulting name implying someone is *** = polish

the post was childish but kinda funny, let me know if that doesn't clear it up.

 

[Cobblestoned]

OK. How how about some legal stuff?

The guy who has the potential to spend the most amount of time in Prison is Ferrari. He is screwed. Doping multiple riders and laundering millions of $$ exposes you to much more time in prison then flying around on your dope jet. He could be looking at spending the rest of his life in jail

Did you know that the Feds have a 91% conviction rate? The vast majority of these come from guilty pleas. Few cases go to trial and even fewer do the Feds lose. Of the 98,000 total Federal criminal defendants last year only 286 were acquitted by a jury.

Wonderboy has a choice. He can fight the case for years, spend what is left of his money on lawyers, and spend a long time in prison....or work out a deal, save himself and the government money, and spend a much shorter time in prison.

Well, thats something like a reliable prediction again.
Thank you. We'll add it to the list.

Prison or prison. Prison will always be prison. No choice. Just long and short.

Lance will be THE man in prison. Surrounded by hundreds of prisoners, telling all the brilliant cycling storys. Hope no one forces himself into same prison as LA, just to hear all those cool storys.

 

[MarkvW]

It is no secret why the feds have high conviction rates. They only charge really tight cases, they don't charge high volume, and they have resources available to the cases they do charge. If anybody gets charged, these factors will come into play. Until then, they do not indicate a likelihood of indictment. Any indication otherwise is misleading.

Hard to see how Ferrari ends up in a United States court.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

It is no secret why the feds have high conviction rates. They only charge really tight cases, they don't charge high volume, and they have resources available to the cases they do charge. If anybody gets charged, these factors will come into play. Until then, they do not indicate a likelihood of indictment. Any indication otherwise is misleading.

Hard to see how Ferrari ends up in a United States court.

I think it more likely that Ferrari will be charged in Italy and tried with evidence obtained in part through our DoJ.

 

[Polish]

I think it more likely that Ferrari will be charged in Italy and tried with evidence obtained in part through our DoJ.

Hey, why can't the Italians waste their OWN taxpayer's money?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Hey, why can't the Italians waste their OWN taxpayer's money?

Nice try at deflection, Putz. I guess you forgot that they're helping the DoJ. One hand washing the other to go after perps. Kiss Fabiani for me.

 

[Kretch]

War on Drugs 3.0

OK. How how about some legal stuff?

The guy who has the potential to spend the most amount of time in Prison is Ferrari. He is screwed. Doping multiple riders and laundering millions of $$ exposes you to much more time in prison then flying around on your dope jet. He could be looking at spending the rest of his life in jail

Did you know that the Feds have a 91% conviction rate? The vast majority of these come from guilty pleas. Few cases go to trial and even fewer do the Feds lose. Of the 98,000 total Federal criminal defendants last year only 286 were acquitted by a jury.

Wonderboy has a choice. He can fight the case for years, spend what is left of his money on lawyers, and spend a long time in prison....or work out a deal, save himself and the government money, and spend a much shorter time in prison.

Thanks RR for trying to get us back on topic.

I'm wondering if the time this is all taking is related to the following hypothesis.

As I see it we are at the beginnings of the "War on Drugs 3.0".

WoD 1.0 was the '20s and prohibition.

WoD 2.0 is the current battle regarding illicit recreational drugs.

WoD 3.0 is PEDs in sport.

The use of PEDs is pervasive world-wide in all professional sports. As per Howman, http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/howman-more-money-in-doping-than-heroin its monetary value exceeds that of the heroin trade. Professional cycling, despite all of our bytching and moaning, is at the forefront of at least recognizing and exposing the level of the problem. LA's case is potentially the watershed moment or tipping point if you wish. For Joe Public he is an icon with a truly "awesome" (please allow me to use your favourite adjective Polish) story. Exposing this story for the awesome fraud that it is just might make Joe sit up and notice. (And this story is way beyond simple use as per the Jones, Bonds & Clemens cases). This just might make Joe P wonder if perhaps professional sport is heading in the wrong direction. The simple fact is that for his little Joe or Joette Jr to have any future in any sport, beyond frigging around in the backyard, entails the use of PEDs. Does Joe P really want a world like that? Although I don’t typically give Joe P much credit, I reckon that even he would say NO.

WoD 1.0 and 2.0 were/are not terribly successful. I’m wondering if Feds are now conflicted with what to do regarding WoD 3.0. On the one hand you potentially have Joe P wanting something done to protect Joe and Joette Jr. and on the other you have enormously powerful institutions (IOC, MLB, NFL, ATP, FIFA, NHL etc. etc.) wanting to maintain the hugely profitable status quo. Procycling is insignificant in this context, but LA’s case might just be the irritant to make the mob of elephants start scratching.

Potshots welcome.

 

[MacRoadie]

Hey, why can't the Italians waste their OWN taxpayer's money?

Since they're already helping the US investigators on their own dime, aren't they doing that already?

 

[MarkvW]

Cimacoppi49: You could have made your point regards Polish without the name-calling. You might reconsider your earlier post where you disavowed "attack." Seems to me you are just engaging in another attack.

 

[Velodude]

Hey, why can't the Italians waste their OWN taxpayer's money?

Polish, Italy, like Greece & others, have no taxpayer's money left. Berlusconi's "bunga bunga" parties have taken a toll on the public purse

 

[Velodude]

Cimacoppi49: You could have made your point regards Polish without the name-calling. You might reconsider your earlier post where you disavowed "attack." Seems to me you are just engaging in another attack.

Am I correct in pointing out your Forum status is "senior member"?

 

[MarkvW]

Am I correct in pointing out your Forum status is "senior member"?

Is a rhetorical question really a question?

 

[Velodude]

Is a rhetorical question really a question?

Rhetorical questions are not required to be answered

But you are continuing to defend LA but try to, amateurishly, appear to be sitting on the fence.

BTW, you consider that "attacks" on LA for his lack of "manliness" are shameful. Suggest you research into the meaning intent of "Juan Pelota", a name LA ascribes to himself as his triathlete alter ego.

 

[MarkvW]

Rhetorical questions are not required to be answered

But you are continuing to defend LA but try to, amateurishly, appear to be sitting on the fence.

BTW, you consider that "attacks" on LA for his lack of "manliness" are shameful. Suggest you research into the meaning intent of "Juan Pelota", a name LA ascribes to himself as his triathlete alter ego.

I am defending Armstrong now? Gosh, what do you want? A video of me reciting the Pledge of IHateAtmstrong? If you send me a large or extra large dopestrong bike jersey, I will wear it! Is that good enough?

I don't mind your hate. But it's not pragmatism when you insult people who don't demonstrate sufficient LanceHate® to suit your taste.

And hey, go ahead and fixate yourself on Armstrong's body parts, if you want. You're his fan in your own special way. After all, no publicity is bad publicity.