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This seems like the approrpriate thread. Could someone explain to me, did Lance really come 3rd in the 1998 Velo d'Or.

It says so on Wikipedia, maybe not the most reliable source, but if he did, how? I know he came 4th in the Vuelta but Mollema is hardly going to get named 3rd best cyclist for this year on that achievment in 2011. Was it maybe the comeback and the surprise of it that got him 3rd?
 
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The Hitch said:
This seems like the approrpriate thread. Could someone explain to me, did Lance really come 3rd in the 1998 Velo d'Or.

It says so on Wikipedia, maybe not the most reliable source, but if he did, how? I know he came 4th in the Vuelta but Mollema is hardly going to get named 3rd best cyclist for this year on that achievment in 2011. Was it maybe the comeback and the surprise of it that got him 3rd?
Yellow became the new gold, right in the 1998/99 comeback years.

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Seriously though, I think you answered your own question. Heck, I was impressed by his comeback. I chose to believe in the better nature of mankind. Why wouldn't I?
 
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it was very impressive (without hindsight)..

4th in a GT for a classics rider....and then 4th in a tough (conditions and course) worlds..

he moved up immensely in my estimations after those rides

the superdominance was yet to come and with it any credibility
 
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The Hitch said:
This seems like the approrpriate thread. Could someone explain to me, did Lance really come 3rd in the 1998 Velo d'Or.

It says so on Wikipedia, maybe not the most reliable source, but if he did, how? I know he came 4th in the Vuelta but Mollema is hardly going to get named 3rd best cyclist for this year on that achievment in 2011. Was it maybe the comeback and the surprise of it that got him 3rd?

Sympathy......
 

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it was very impressive (without hindsight)..

4th in a GT for a classics rider....and then 4th in a tough (conditions and course) worlds..

he moved up immensely in my estimations after those rides

the superdominance was yet to come and with it any credibility

Ya - I thinks that's a fair assessment.
Particularly in light of him being a DNF at Paris Nice and looking as though he was going to leave the sport.
 

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http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_...nited-front-agencies-authorities-deter-doping


It was a rare non-courtroom public appearance for Novitzky, who has been at the forefront of the recent, ongoing investigation of Lance Armstrong and other figures in professional cycling. Novitzky didn't go anywhere near the Armstrong case in his remarks last week, but he did address in general terms a topic targeted by critics during prosecutions of high-profile athletes such as baseball players Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and Olympic track star Marion Jones.

"What is the federal government doing involved in these cases?" Novitzky asked rhetorically. "Sports doping is not illegal. Other activities that go along with it are."

(USADA CEO Travis Tygart, who moderated the panel discussion, noted that the U.S. government also has a mandate to advance anti-doping efforts through a global UNESCO treaty signed in 2008.)

Novitzky outlined the boilerplate reasoning for the FDA's involvement -- the fact that many PEDs, such as the designer steroids unearthed in BALCO, are "dangerous, unapproved drugs that haven't been tested on anybody." Such drugs become "trend-setters," Novitzky said, obtained first by elite athletes, then dribbled out into the general population.

Then Novitzky cited a factor behind these investigations that's more difficult to quantify.

"I personally have had the unfortunate experience of speaking to parents of kids who are no longer with us because of use or aftereffects of use of steroids," he said. "They told me the reason they were doing that was because they were looking up to their role models."

A few minutes later, Novitzky addressed what he called the "myth" that doping is necessarily a function of personality.

"I've had, in the last 10 years, a really unique opportunity in a very unique setting to have dozens and dozens and dozens of very candid discussions with users of these drugs," Novitzky said. "Most of the time, most of these athletes were very, very candid with me about what they were doing, why they were doing it, how much they were doing ...

"I've talked with people in certain sports that [say], 'You know, we don't have a drug problem in our sport, our athletes are good people.' A majority of the athletes that I spoke with, I consider they were pretty good people. They were good people that made bad decisions."
 

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thehog said:
http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_...nited-front-agencies-authorities-deter-doping


It was a rare non-courtroom public appearance for Novitzky, who has been at the forefront of the recent, ongoing investigation of Lance Armstrong and other figures in professional cycling. Novitzky didn't go anywhere near the Armstrong case in his remarks last week, but he did address in general terms a topic targeted by critics during prosecutions of high-profile athletes such as baseball players Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and Olympic track star Marion Jones.

"What is the federal government doing involved in these cases?" Novitzky asked rhetorically. "Sports doping is not illegal. Other activities that go along with it are."

(USADA CEO Travis Tygart, who moderated the panel discussion, noted that the U.S. government also has a mandate to advance anti-doping efforts through a global UNESCO treaty signed in 2008.)
"I've talked with people in certain sports that [say], 'You know, we don't have a drug problem in our sport, our athletes are good people.' A majority of the athletes that I spoke with, I consider they were pretty good people. They were good people that made bad decisions."

Chills me having Novitzky, Howman, Floyd and Tygart all in New York last week. Exciting times.
 
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Bonnie Ford has a good review of last weeks meeting, including some quotes from Novitzky
http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_...nited-front-agencies-authorities-deter-doping


"What is the federal government doing involved in these cases?" Novitzky asked rhetorically. "Sports doping is not illegal. Other activities that go along with it are."


Novitzky outlined the boilerplate reasoning for the FDA's involvement -- the fact that many PEDs, such as the designer steroids unearthed in BALCO, are "dangerous, unapproved drugs that haven't been tested on anybody." Such drugs become "trend-setters," Novitzky said, obtained first by elite athletes, then dribbled out into the general population.

"I personally have had the unfortunate experience of speaking to parents of kids who are no longer with us because of use or aftereffects of use of steroids," he said. "They told me the reason they were doing that was because they were looking up to their role models."
 
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Who would have thought that there would appear another article on that conference/summit.
Ok, THAT is shocking and interesting "news" on Lance. He's done.

I'll go. bye bye

 

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Thanks for the update Hog.

thehog said:
http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_...nited-front-agencies-authorities-deter-doping


It was a rare non-courtroom public appearance for Novitzky, who has been at the forefront of the recent, ongoing investigation of Lance Armstrong and other figures in professional cycling. Novitzky didn't go anywhere near the Armstrong case in his remarks last week, but he did address in general terms a topic targeted by critics during prosecutions of high-profile athletes such as baseball players Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and Olympic track star Marion Jones.

"What is the federal government doing involved in these cases?" Novitzky asked rhetorically. "Sports doping is not illegal. Other activities that go along with it are."

(USADA CEO Travis Tygart, who moderated the panel discussion, noted that the U.S. government also has a mandate to advance anti-doping efforts through a global UNESCO treaty signed in 2008.)

Novitzky outlined the boilerplate reasoning for the FDA's involvement -- the fact that many PEDs, such as the designer steroids unearthed in BALCO, are "dangerous, unapproved drugs that haven't been tested on anybody." Such drugs become "trend-setters," Novitzky said, obtained first by elite athletes, then dribbled out into the general population.

Then Novitzky cited a factor behind these investigations that's more difficult to quantify.

"I personally have had the unfortunate experience of speaking to parents of kids who are no longer with us because of use or aftereffects of use of steroids," he said. "They told me the reason they were doing that was because they were looking up to their role models."

A few minutes later, Novitzky addressed what he called the "myth" that doping is necessarily a function of personality.

"I've had, in the last 10 years, a really unique opportunity in a very unique setting to have dozens and dozens and dozens of very candid discussions with users of these drugs," Novitzky said. "Most of the time, most of these athletes were very, very candid with me about what they were doing, why they were doing it, how much they were doing ...

"I've talked with people in certain sports that [say], 'You know, we don't have a drug problem in our sport, our athletes are good people.' A majority of the athletes that I spoke with, I consider they were pretty good people. They were good people that made bad decisions."
 
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What was it that was supposed to happen on Tuesday again? :confused:

Not sure, but I took the hog up on his bet and never heard back from him. I think someone else did too and I did not see a response to that offer to take him up on his bet.
 
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Lance's lawyers have to eat too.

Absolutely! They have families to feed and cloth, private school tuition to pay, vacations to take (time permitting), trophy wives to pamper and expensive cars to buy. :rolleyes:
 
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Cimacoppi48 said:
Absolutely! They have families to feed and cloth, private school tuition to pay, vacations to take (time permitting), trophy wives to pamper and expensive cars to buy. :rolleyes:

Yes, but to be fair there will be several girls at the Yellow Rose who will have trouble with their tuition bills if this continues much longer
 

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Yes, but to be fair there will be several girls at the Yellow Rose who will have trouble with their tuition bills if this continues much longer

That sounds tragic - maybe I should set up up a Foundation to raise awareness of their plight?
 

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Donations accepted only in $1.00 increments?

Yes - to spread around the awareness.

I have come up with a Yellow Rose wrist band.
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What was it that was supposed to happen on Tuesday again? :confused:

The Fed Courts have just opened out here in California.
Code Red - The mallards have landed - Code Red.
The Penny is in the Old Man's hat.
Repeat:
The Penny is in the Old Man's Hat.

Btw, 9000ft, if the indictments do NOT come today due to unforseen problems - does not really matter. They WILL come eventually. Inevitable.

There is NO way Mr Novitzky can back down now.
He has to indict Lance.
His "Rock Star" status depends on it.
The indictments will come.

Imagine the disappointment if Lance is given a pass!
Mr Novitzky will NOT be invited back to next year's Conference.

And Mr Novitzky might no longer be investigating Sports Celebrities.
Instead he might be interviewing poulty farmers, cantalope growers, and migrant workers. Salmonella and Listeria.
Talking to parents of kids that are no longer with us because they ate tainted fruit or chicken. Just like their role models.

Yes, the indicments will come.
Inevitable.

And don't think Lance won't love the attention.
He will love the attention.
His lawyers will love the attention.
Will be an epic legal battle of awesomeness.
 

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Go Floyd!!!

VeloNews: What’s your take on David Howman’s recent comments about the statements you’ve made about the UCI protecting certain people? Why has it taken him so long to back your position?

Floyd Landis: Unfortunately it took the risk of the facts coming to light to get the president of WADA to admit what they’ve known all along. Unfortunately he continues to maintain that they have done a reasonable job of synchronizing the anti-doping rules between labs and federations when he knows without a doubt that it has been a complete failure. Until WADA admits they’ve failed they’ll never be in a position to make progress.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...cials-apparent-support-for-his-charges_199303

VN: Do you think it’s a good idea for the sport to look at an alternative to the UCI calendar and create another league where the teams take part in revenue sharing?

FL: As long as the UCI is involved cycling will never make progress. The incentive of leaders like (Pat) McQuaid is to be promoted to the board of the IOC and not to make cycling what it can be. Cycling is a stepping stone when it deserves to be something to be aspired to.
 
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