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[Dr. Maserati]

Just finished David Walsh's book 'From Lance to Landis'

I cant see how their going to pin down Lance on any of the points made. Unfortunately I think the horse is bolted and corporate America stands to lose too much money from Lance being found guilty in any investigation.

That book is 4 years old - while still relevant there has been the confessions of Landis & Hamilton to add to it and that this is now being investigated by the Feds.

The likes of Nike, Oakley and trek just aint gonna let that happen.

They will have little choice - they have already been subpoenaed to produce documents for the investigation. They will just pretend that they had no idea that Armstrong had lied to them.


From ESPN:

A grand jury has been empaneled in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to hear evidence regarding possible doping and fraud charges. Subpoenas have been issued to individuals and corporations. Armstrong sponsors Nike and Trek and three-time Tour winner and outspoken Armstrong critic Greg LeMond were compelled to produce documents related to legal and business dealings with Armstrong, while former Armstrong teammate Tyler Hamilton was called to testify.

 

[AcademyCC]

That book is 4 years old - while still relevant there has been the confessions of Landis & Hamilton to add to it and that this is now being investigated by the Feds.



They will have little choice - they have already been subpoenaed to produce documents for the investigation. They will just pretend that they had no idea that Armstrong had lied to them.


From ESPN:

Landis and Hamilton have changed their story so many times Im not sure they know what they are saying anymore!!!! Whilst I want Lance brought to justice his lawyers will destroy both of there testimony's. As Lance has said himself 'I like our credibility'

My point about corporate america not gonna let this happen is valid. Best legal teams in the country will be fighting tooth and nail for Armstrong. Although we dont know what new evidence has been given . I cant see the smoking gun anywhere? Something that definitely proves he doped.

Everything ive seen so far is defend able unfortunately

 

[AcademyCC]

If he can get away with 6 positive tests for EPO in the L'Equipe story, we may as-well pack it in

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Landis and Hamilton have changed their story so many times Im not sure they know what they are saying anymore!!!! Whilst I want Lance brought to justice his lawyers will destroy both of there testimony's. As Lance has said himself 'I like our credibility'

Both Hamilton & Landis have only changed their story once - and this time it is under the penalty of perjury.

For a guy who likes his credibility we have only heard once from Armstrong about the investigation since May 2010 to deny ownership of the team - and even that lie was quickly exposed.

My point about corporate america not gonna let this happen is valid. Best legal teams in the country will be fighting tooth and nail for Armstrong. Although we dont know what new evidence has been given . I cant see the smoking gun anywhere? Something that definitely proves he doped.

Everything ive seen so far is defend able unfortunately

Corporate America? They have extracted all they want from Armstrong. They do not have to defend him, they will quietly drop him.

To the Blue - you can ignore Landis & Hamilton of you wish - but the Feds haven't.

 

[sherer]

If he can get away with 6 positive tests for EPO in the L'Equipe story, we may as-well pack it in

ah the holy grail for those that say LA is guilty. The problem is one that those tests were just on the B sample. According to the WADA code there is no reference for a second sample to test on.

Has anyone every done a scientific study or urine that's 6 years old. Hw do we know hope EPO reacts after 6 years or more, without that the legal team could come up with anything to counteract this.

Unless the so called positive from Switzerland comes up or all all of USPS say they saw LA take drugs then he may actually get away with this still.

I'd just like the Grad Jury to finish so either this public or dies a death and we can move on

 

[Benotti69]

If he can get away with 6 positive tests for EPO in the L'Equipe story, we may as-well pack it in

Yeah he'll get away just like "Never tested positve" and "most tested athlete" Marion Jones did. She was a bigger fish than Armstrong.

 

[Poursuivant]

Going off what we read in the media, how can Armstrong deny doping could be the question you are asking, instead of how will they pin anything on him. Reports stating that millions of dollars traced in accounts to Ferrari. Reports stating that Armstrong used code names to talk via the phone to the Ferrari's. Would you talk via code names to a "family friend?" Reports that Hincapie has admitted EPO use alogside Armstrong. Legally, that one might not be too damning, but with regards to credibility, I am intrigued to see how Armstrong plays that one. Of course, this is if reports are to be believed...

 

[HL2037]

The likes of Nike, Oakley and trek just aint gonna let that happen.

Don't worry about Nike, Oakley or Trek. They will soon find somebody new to dress up. Phinney, van Gaarderen or even Andy Schleck...

I cant see the smoking gun anywhere? Something that definitely proves he doped.

The investigation is probably not about doping. Is doping even illegal i the US?

 

[HL2037]

Has anyone every done a scientific study or urine that's 6 years old. Hw do we know hope EPO reacts after 6 years or more, without that the legal team could come up with anything to counteract this.

I find it quite difficult to believe that 6 years in a freezer will make artificial EPO turn up in a urine sample that was clean to begin with, don't you?

Unless the so called positive from Switzerland comes up or all all of USPS say they saw LA take drugs then he may actually get away with this still.

Again, the doping in itself is probably not the focus of the investigation

 

[AcademyCC]

'The investigation is probably not about doping. Is doping even illegal i the US?'

The American public will have a fully fledged fit if their Lance is found guilty.

 

[AcademyCC]

Yeah he'll get away just like "Never tested positve" and "most tested athlete" Marion Jones did. She was a bigger fish than Armstrong.

She never tested positive. She admitted taking EPO cause she was about to have a mental breakdown over it. Something tells me Lance aint gonna crack first.

She was a bigger fish that Lance. What planet are you on? He is a demi-god in the states. Only bigger pro athlete over the last 100 years is Michael Jordan.

 

[HL2037]

'The investigation is probably not about doping. Is doping even illegal i the US?'

The American public will have a fully fledged fit if their Lance is found guilty.

I don't disagree. But given the size of the investigation, Lance is probably suspected of worse things than doping.

 

[HL2037]

She never tested positive. She admitted taking EPO cause she was about to have a mental breakdown over it. Something tells me Lance aint gonna crack first.

I can very well imagine Lance having a major meltdown while being cross examined.

 

[AcademyCC]

I can very well imagine Lance having a major meltdown while being cross examined.'

Must have been watching a different guy then. He would have cracked by now if it was going to happen. Hes not a normal human being in any way

 

[Benotti69]

Landis and Hamilton have changed their story so many times Im not sure they know what they are saying anymore!!!! Whilst I want Lance brought to justice his lawyers will destroy both of there testimony's. As Lance has said himself 'I like our credibility'

My point about corporate america not gonna let this happen is valid. Best legal teams in the country will be fighting tooth and nail for Armstrong. Although we dont know what new evidence has been given . I cant see the smoking gun anywhere? Something that definitely proves he doped.

Everything ive seen so far is defend able unfortunately

Back dated TUE 99 TdF
6 samples 2001 TdF
Bribing UCI
Dr Ferarri paid huge sums of money. Ferarri proven to be a doping doctor banned by ICF from working with cyclists.
Landis testimony
Hamilton Testimony
Emma O'Reilly
Frankie Andreu
Betsy Andreu
Stephanie McIlvain
Selling Trek Bikes

I think that (off the top of my head there is more)all that adds up to a smoking bazooka.

 

[Benotti69]

She never tested positive. She admitted taking EPO cause she was about to have a mental breakdown over it. Something tells me Lance aint gonna crack first.

She was a bigger fish that Lance. What planet are you on? He is a demi-god in the states. Only bigger pro athlete over the last 100 years is Michael Jordan.

He's a cyclist. Every quaterback from the last 20 years is still bigger than Armstrong. Every MVP from Baseball in the last 20 years is still bigger than Armstrong. There must be at least 10 current and retired basketball players bigger than Armstrong.

What planet am i on? It aint a planet sponsored by some sport company therefore i dont believe their BS. Armstrong aint as big as the sports peeps would like you to believe.

 

[thehog]

Going off what we read in the media, how can Armstrong deny doping could be the question you are asking, instead of how will they pin anything on him. Reports stating that millions of dollars traced in accounts to Ferrari. Reports stating that Armstrong used code names to talk via the phone to the Ferrari's. Would you talk via code names to a "family friend?" Reports that Hincapie has admitted EPO use alogside Armstrong. Legally, that one might not be too damning, but with regards to credibility, I am intrigued to see how Armstrong plays that one. Of course, this is if reports are to be believed...

Depends on the angle you look at it. I don’t think the Feds are building a case “to prove doping” – The Feds are not a sporting body to prove and sanction against doping. Its fraud.

 

[Benotti69]

Depends on the angle you look at it. I don’t think the Feds are building a case “to prove doping” – The Feds are not a sporting body to prove and sanction against doping. Its fraud.

To prove the Fraud they'll prove he doped.

 

[AcademyCC]

Back dated TUE 99 TdF
6 samples 2001 TdF
Bribing UCI
Dr Ferarri paid huge sums of money. Ferarri proven to be a doping doctor banned by ICF from working with cyclists.
Landis testimony
Hamilton Testimony
Emma O'Reilly
Frankie Andreu
Betsy Andreu
Stephanie McIlvain
Selling Trek Bikes

I think that (off the top of my head there is more)all that adds up to a smoking bazooka.

Ok ill try-

6 samples - no 2nd samples to back it up. Can also throw **** at the lab testing them.

Dr Ferrari - can say the same things he always said - just used him for sports science training and he is the best in the world hence he charges a very high price. Wheres the evidence saying Ferrari def sold him drugs?

Hamilton/Landis- known liers. took money off people to pursue there false legal cases. No credibility at all.

Emma O'reilly - her word against his, will be able to through enough **** on her. Again no solid evidence apart from words. From what I can pick up shes had a horrible time since being involved with the Walsh book.

Frankie/Betsy - only two people their who have testified to hearing the hospital chats. Everyone else present deny's hearing it (although it is Armstrongs inner circle) Enough to discredit them.
Betsy is also down on numerous records saying she hates LAnce - stupid woman

Stephanie Mclvaine has created her own problem. Its not lances problem she lied, he had nothing to do with that. (Ofcourse he did, but thats what hell say)

Selling trek bikes - thats where corporate america will still protect him.

 

[DirtyWorks]

He's a cyclist. Every quaterback from the last 20 years is still bigger than Armstrong. Every MVP from Baseball in the last 20 years is still bigger than Armstrong. There must be at least 10 current and retired basketball players bigger than Armstrong.

What planet am i on? It aint a planet sponsored by some sport company therefore i dont believe their BS. Armstrong aint as big as the sports peeps would like you to believe.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Cycling is the communal doping whipping boy. The UCI has earned this title and has only provided more theater to cover for the sport's doping.

Because of the close association cycling has with doping, Wonderboy is a very good target for prosecution. He's a bad target because he's got lots of money to buy justice.

The possibility that more beloved sports in the U.S. like college football and even tennis dope can't even be discussed publicly. That's how far we have to go before there's any progress.

 

[HL2037]

Must have been watching a different guy then. He would have cracked by now if it was going to happen. Hes not a normal human being in any way

Have you ever seen him in a situation that he didn't control? How does he react when he is forced to answer questions that he didn't approve beforehand? Remember the Kimmage press conference? What will the public think when they see this side of him, that have been hidden so carefully up until now - the rude bully, berating people who are only doing their job?

 

[AcademyCC]

He's a cyclist. Every quaterback from the last 20 years is still bigger than Armstrong. Every MVP from Baseball in the last 20 years is still bigger than Armstrong. There must be at least 10 current and retired basketball players bigger than Armstrong.

What planet am i on? It aint a planet sponsored by some sport company therefore i dont believe their BS. Armstrong aint as big as the sports peeps would like you to believe.

Thats just flat out inccorrect. He won the ESPY (americas biggest sports award) 2003,2004,2005,2006. Himeslf and Tiger are Nikes go to athletes.

 

[Race Radio]

'The investigation is probably not about doping. Is doping even illegal i the US?'

The American public will have a fully fledged fit if their Lance is found guilty.

Once the extent of Armstrong's fraud is exposed to more then just those that follow the sport then American public will have a fit.....but their anger will not be directed at the Feds but the guy pulled the scam that many fell for. Hell hath no fury like a groupie that finds out he/she was duped.

Your welcome to pretend that Landis and Tyler are the only evidence but we all know that is not the case.... are you guys going to start the Hincapie smear campaign soon? How about Jogi? Will he also be a target?

They have multiple witnesses of transportation of drugs across state lines and international boarders......do you really think rational people are going to ignore this and take to the streets to protect a myth that collapsed years ago? Wishful thinking

 

[thehog]

Guys stop taking the bait.... is it not obvious?

 

[Race Radio]

She never tested positive. She admitted taking EPO cause she was about to have a mental breakdown over it. Something tells me Lance aint gonna crack first.

She was a bigger fish that Lance. What planet are you on? He is a demi-god in the states. Only bigger pro athlete over the last 100 years is Michael Jordan.

Marion did not admit because she was going to crack, she did it as part of a plea deal. She did it to spend less time in prison. Lance will do the same