Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Velodude]

Wrong Velodude. Just the opposite really.
Where has a Fanboy ever taken this position?
Its all about a WitchHunt and Waste of taxpayer money.

After all, Fanboys KNOW that a lack of evidence will lead to NO indictments.
Just like it happened with Pound/Bordry/Gendarmes/ETC/ETC/ETC.
SSDD.

Of course, the tinfoil brigade will say "Lance bribed the FDA" when no indictments come down.
You know that is true, right?

Has this person been officially admitted into the hallowed LA Fanboy club, President?

"This" is being investigated . . . .?

I wasn't talking about "this," I was talking about some difficulties of proving fraud with Tailwind related to doping at USPS.

I doubt the FDA is going to get the Attorney General to prosecute bike racers for doping years ago in a foreign country. In an election year?

Maybe if Lance leads them to a distributor (à la BALCO) . . .then I could see a prosecution. Perjury, maybe . . .

So the AG would veto the FDA cos its an election year?

Statistically do Federal indictments plunge every four years?

 

[Polish]

So, the party line now is that one can commit "mad quantities of crime" as long as you're a strong advocate for some cause.

Advocacy as an excuse for crime. Brilliant.

Worked out ok for Robin Hood.

RobinHood.org and RobinHood.com

 

[MarkvW]

We have been over this before - from this thread:

Thanks for the attachment!

 

[Polish]

We have been over this before - from this thread:

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That document was from October 2005.

Lance was "just a rider" back in the days of USPS.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That document was from October 2005.

Lance was "just a rider" back in the days of USPS.

You need to read the document - point no. 4:
The date of the Corporation's incorporation is June 25, 2002 and its period of duration is perpetual.

 

[AcademyCC]

'Armstrong's cycling team was sponsored by the US Postal Service and had pledged to be drug free in return for federal funds. If Armstrong lied and used illegal drugs, he can be indicted for perpetrating a fraud against the United States, conspiracy and drug trafficking. This kind of federal indictment will make the Barry Bonds case (and conviction) seem like very small potatoes.'

 

[MacRoadie]

That document was from October 2005.

Lance was "just a rider" back in the days of USPS.

Even though this has been explained to you a number of times, we'll go through it again for the short bus crowd.

The attached document is an "Application for Certificate of Authority", asking the Secretary of State of Texas to recognize a Maryland corporation and allow it to transact business within the state of Texas.

The date of that corporation's incorporation (per the application) in Maryland was June 25, 2002. The corporation's directors on that date of corporation included one Lance Armstrong.

P.S. And before anyone gets all excited that Armstrong became a director later, I believe Race Radio (?) did a document request with Delaware and found that, besides the original incorporation filing, there were never any amendments to the Delaware corporation. No directors or officers added or removed. It was hard to track down because Delaware doesn't have nice online access to documents. The record of the effort is on here somewhere.

 

[Velodude]

That document was from October 2005.

Lance was "just a rider" back in the days of USPS.

My dear, that was for recognition of a company incorporated in Delaware in the state of Texas.

I would suspect the filing date would be connected to the Texas based SCA case which was running at that date. Lawyers dotting the i's and crossing the t's to avoid losing on a technicality.

LA's professional advisors overlooked obtaining IRS income tax exemption for the LA Foundation until 12 months after it started up and were receiving donations. Would have been very messy.

 

[skippy]

So another Tuesday has all but finished , yawn , time for my sleep , see nothing in this thread that is not SSDD, could we all have a peaceful Christmas ?

Be nice if Holder & Jeff are able to enjoy their Xmas with out the hellions of the mushroom farm yapping at their heels for letting 2011 pass w/out satisfying their craving for " pie in the sky (indictments on Lance related matters )" !

To those that want justice i wish them success in their endeavours , but make sure to remember " Innocent until proved Guilty in a COURT of Law , not a forum !

Twitter made me laugh this week ! They proposed i " follow " a convicted felon by the name of crapp ! Hope i don't read about him for another 8 years !

 

[Cobblestoned]

So another Tuesday has all but finished , yawn , time for my sleep , see nothing in this thread that is not SSDD, could we all have a peaceful Christmas ?

Be nice if Holder & Jeff are able to enjoy their Xmas with out the hellions of the mushroom farm yapping at their heels for letting 2011 pass w/out satisfying their craving for " pie in the sky (indictments on Lance related matters )" !

To those that want justice i wish them success in their endeavours , but make sure to remember " Innocent until proved Guilty in a COURT of Law , not a forum !

Twitter made me laugh this week ! They proposed i " follow " a convicted felon by the name of crapp ! Hope i don't read about him for another 8 years !

Yeah, Peace, man. And happy Christmas days.
This thread is more like Groundhog Day. So, Happy Groundhog Day also.

 

[Polish]

You need to read the document - point no. 4:
The date of the Corporation's incorporation is June 25, 2002 and its period of duration is perpetual.

You need to read point no. 10:
"As of the date of filing..."

Please show a 2002 document that shows Lance as a director.
How about a 2002 director's meeting minutes showing Lance in attendance?
They do not exist, do they?

1999....Lance was just a rider
2000....Lance was just a rider
2001....Lance was just a rider

2002....Lance was just a rider
2003....Lance was just a rider
2004....Lance was just a rider
2005....Lance was just a rider until Oct.

BTW, is the "perpetual" Tailwind still in existence?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Okay, and what about November 22, 1963? Anywhere near Dealy Plaza, huh?!

It was 6 more years before my time! So the answer on the Dealy Plaza location and date is a solid NO.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You need to read point no. 10:
"As of the date of filing..."

I read it - and?

Tailwind was incorporated in Delaware - the linked document is an Application for a Certificate of Authority in Texas.

Please show a 2002 document that shows Lance as a director.
How about a 2002 director's meeting minutes showing Lance in attendance?
They do not exist, do they?

1999....Lance was just a rider
2000....Lance was just a rider
2001....Lance was just a rider

2002....Lance was just a rider
2003....Lance was just a rider
2004....Lance was just a rider
2005....Lance was just a rider until Oct.

BTW, is the "perpetual" Tailwind still in existence?

We went through this also - and you were on that thread doing your usual.

But here it is again for you.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11733&page=3

Delaware does not release its records for 2002 electronically - but it does show the last 5 transactions on the Tailwind account - it was dissolved in 2007, but all the other transactions were in 2002, therefore the list of Directors upthread would be the same.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I read it - and?

Tailwind was incorporated in Delaware - the linked document is an Application for a Certificate of Authority in Texas.





We went through this also - and you were on that thread doing your usual.

But here it is again for you.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11733&page=3

Delaware does not release its records for 2002 electronically - but it does show the last 5 transactions on the Tailwind account - it was dissolved in 2007, but all the other transactions were in 2002, therefore the list of Directors upthread would be the same.

So LA was not or was a director?

What were they doing incorporating in Delaware? Were they thinking to start up a Tailwind Visa Card Corp?

 

[Velodude]

I read it - and?

Tailwind was incorporated in Delaware - the linked document is an Application for a Certificate of Authority in Texas.





We went through this also - and you were on that thread doing your usual.

But here it is again for you.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11733&page=3

Delaware does not release its records for 2002 electronically - but it does show the last 5 transactions on the Tailwind account - it was dissolved in 2007, but all the other transactions were in 2002, therefore the list of Directors upthread would be the same.

And for Polish's sake, to further over ride LA's claims of being solely an employed rider, in 2004 Capital Sports & Entertainment of Austin, Texas acquired a 50% interest in the US Postal Cycling Team.

LA is claimed to be a joint owner of CS&E.

You may note that LA's "donation" of $100,000 to the UCI in 2006 was made by CS&E (on behalf of LA?) according to Pat McQuaid of the UCI.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So LA was not or was a director?

Armstrong was a Director.

What were they doing incorporating in Delaware? Were they thinking to start up a Tailwind Visa Card Corp?

Tailwind started out as a motor sports marketing firm called Disson Furst who were based in Delaware.

 

[Velodude]

So LA was not or was a director?

What were they doing incorporating in Delaware? Were they thinking to start up a Tailwind Visa Card Corp?

As the Doc has pointed out, if there were no changes to the company register after 2002 then the filing in Texas in 2005 must be the state of play in 2002 - LA was a Director in 2002-2005.

Incorporation benefits of Delaware -

http://www.delawareintercorp.com/t-WhyIncorporateinDelaware.aspx

 

[Polish]

So LA was not or was a director?

What were they doing incorporating in Delaware? Were they thinking to start up a Tailwind Visa Card Corp?

He became a 2002 director in 2005.
Backdated directorship lol.

But no paperwork from 2002 showing him as director.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He became a 2002 director in 2005.
Backdated directorship lol.

But no paperwork from 2002 showing him as director.

Poor Polish - I will help you backdate your earlier post:

Originally Posted by Polish
Please show a 2002 document that shows Lance as a director.
How about a 2002 director's meeting minutes showing Lance in attendance?
They do not exist, do they?

1999....Lance was just a rider
2000....Lance was just a rider
2001....Lance was just a rider

2002....Lance was just a rider (and a Director of Tailwind)
2003....Lance was just a rider (and a Director of Tailwind)
2004....Lance was just a rider (and a Director of Tailwind)
2005....Lance was just a rider until Oct. (and a Director of Tailwind)

BTW, is the "perpetual" Tailwind still in existence?

 

[Polish]

Poor Polish - I will help you backdate your earlier post:

Yes, you changing my original post is analogous to the 2005 document changing the original incorporation.

Thank you for making my point.
Lance was not originally listed as a director in either one.

 

[9000ft]

I see the reverse. Take down Armstrong for greed and skip the bankers. The public is baying for blood of somebody who absconded with the public’s money. I’d put Lance’s head up as the prize.

Well there ya go Hog. Go get to work on that. Maybe start with an OWS group or something. I'm sure it will take off like wildfire.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yes, you changing my original post is analogous to the 2005 document changing the original incorporation.

Thank you for making my point.
Lance was not originally listed as a director in either one.

So, in summary we have:

A legal document filed by Bill Stapleton representing that, in October of 2005, Lance Armstrong was a director of Tailwind Sports, a Maryland corporation incorporated in 2002.

We know that at some point in time, prior to that October date, Lance Armstrong became a director for Tailwind Sports, a Maryland Corporation.

While we have not seen a document specifically stating the exact date that Armstrong became a director, a search of records for the Maryland corporation lists the initial incorporation, but no other amendments to the structure, no revisions to corporate ownership, nor any changes to the Board or officers. Any changes to the board, or changes to ownership, voting rights, etc. would require subsequent filings.

Absent any documentation to suggest that Armstrong became a director subsequent to the original incorporation, there has been a reasonable assumption made that he must have been a director from Tailwind's inception.

You, on the other hand, without even a single shred of evidence, no documents, no document search results, etc. have decided to ignore all of this and steadfastly assert that Armstrong was never a director prior to October 2005.

Lance was not originally listed as a director in either one.

By either one, do you mean the Texas corporation too? The one for which Bill Stapleton listed him as a director?

 

[MacRoadie]

He became a 2002 director in 2005.
Backdated directorship lol.

But no paperwork from 2002 showing him as director.

I think you're huffing too much Tri-Flow and Simple Green...

 

[ChrisE]

I don't want to pis in the soup here, but in SCA LA was asked if he was an owner. The dustup on the last few pages is over whether or not he was a director. A little bit of a difference here.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I don't want to pis in the soup here, but in SCA LA was asked if he was an owner. The dustup on the last few pages is over whether or not he was a director. A little bit of a difference here.

It isn't a "dust-up", its a clarification to this earlier post......

I knew Armstrong had an ownership interest in Tailwind, but I didn't know he was a director.

.... as for Armstrong, correct, in that SCA case he was asked had he had an ownership interest in Tailwind, he responded that he had a "small one".