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[Semper Fidelis]

And how much will he owe them when his wins are taken away?

That SCA lawsuit has been settled on the facts at the time. If they go back on that ruling then would that be legal?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You really don't understand how this works do you? It's not "their" contract. It belongs to both parties. Armstrong had just as much right to "clarify" as SCA does. In fact he invoked the arbitration process from the contract.

What do you think SCA does? Do they go around just paying athletes money for kicks? They run a business. The monies owned to Armstrong were sub-gambled with other insurers. Like an investment bank they had spread their risk. They had contracts with other parties that he would win and contracts that he'd lose. They probably had contracts that he would be DQ'd.

Yes the doping rumors were always around but the Walsh book was the first time they were published in the public domain. SCA was protecting their position from other parties sueing them.

The seeked clarification on what would happen if he was found to have doped. They had to as they could have been sued themselves.

There was a provision in the contract to hold the monies until such queries could be made. There was also a provision for arbitration if both parties couldn't agree a way forward. Team Armstrong filed a suit without entering into discussions with SCA on the matter.

If you ever worked with contracts you would understand. Is a lengthy a difficult process to put together a document that satisfies both parties. You don't look at it and say "oh that's it I understand" because how would you apply legal context to the doping question when it wasn't prevalent when the contract was written. This was 2002 when Lance was rock solid clean.

We as fans still don't understand how the UCi/WADA/CAS process works how did you expect SCA to? They had to find out and they asked the question and wanted some form of evidence from ASO/UCi to protect their position.

Don't worry they know what went down. They knew their day would come.

Well I will admit that I do not understand how this works. I also do not understand your post.

What I understood from the time that this all was happening real time is that SCA was looking for a way not to pay the bonus. LA got out in front of that with a request to the Arbiter to force SCA into compliance with the original contract.

That reads and sounds a heck of a lot different than what you are describing.

Not sure anyone is worried about what went down. Their day did come (not sure if it was a Tuesday ) and it was in the form of a judgement order to pay the bonus and legal fees. (those legal fees were expensive @ around 2.5million)

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That SCA lawsuit has been settled on the facts at the time. If they go back on that ruling then would that be legal?

From ESPN last year:

S.C.A. could also take action on its own. Jeff Tillotson, the lawyer who represented S.C.A. in the hearing, said the company could try to recoup its money "if it is determined that [Armstrong] used performance-enhancing drugs during that period."

If it were proved Armstrong had given false testimony in the case, SCA could "seek to invalidate the settlement on the grounds that it was procured by fraud," Tillotson said. S.C.A. would have to file a lawsuit in either instance and Tillotson stressed that decision has not been made.

 

[fatandfast]

And how much will he owe them when his wins are taken away?

Rock, paper,scissors? The French courts will be trumped if Lance loses a case in the US? The TDF and UCI say the competent and professional labs and scientists returned results that are accurate. But a court in the US will overturn their findings and judgement?
Even if a little of this stuff comes to pass, we should all assume that the UCI and TDF have little interest in seeing how much more American style damage can be done to the fragile race. If Lance-Landis gate overturns 8 winners in the last 15 years the race will go out of business.

I hope that Pat had the shredder going 24/7 so that all the misdeeds of his admin can just be witnessed visually rather than a written version of his kind of rotten.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Silliness!

Rock, paper,scissors? The French courts will be trumped if Lance loses a case in the US? The TDF and UCI say the competent and professional labs and scientists returned results that are accurate. But a court in the US will overturn their findings and judgement?
Even if a little of this stuff comes to pass, we should all assume that the UCI and TDF have little interest in seeing how much more American style damage can be done to the fragile race. If Lance-Landis gate overturns 8 winners in the last 15 years the race will go out of business.

I hope that Pat had the shredder going 24/7 so that all the misdeeds of his admin can just be witnessed visually rather than a written version of his kind of rotten.

Everyone in Europe knows the deal with Pro cycling and the TdF is bigger than ever.

If Lance goes down it will spark even more interest and money. People traveling to a remote mountainside to secure their spot and hang out for a week aren't going to alter their plans for the reasons you cite.

In 2004 more people went to Alpe d'Huez just to hack a loogie on LA...IOW's you're completely off.

 

[Benotti69]

Rock, paper,scissors? The French courts will be trumped if Lance loses a case in the US? The TDF and UCI say the competent and professional labs and scientists returned results that are accurate. But a court in the US will overturn their findings and judgement?
Even if a little of this stuff comes to pass, we should all assume that the UCI and TDF have little interest in seeing how much more American style damage can be done to the fragile race. If Lance-Landis gate overturns 8 winners in the last 15 years the race will go out of business.

I hope that Pat had the shredder going 24/7 so that all the misdeeds of his admin can just be witnessed visually rather than a written version of his kind of rotten.

It didn't stop Festina's involvement in the TdF

 

[Race Radio]

That SCA lawsuit has been settled on the facts at the time. If they go back on that ruling then would that be legal?

Nope, In this case it would not be the lawsuit but the original insurance agreement that stipulated that Lance got paid if he won the Tour. If his wins are taken from him he is not the winner.....so he does not earn his payment. Rather simple. It would be more focused on the "Cure" langange then the settlement wording.

Given up past victories would be an expected part of any plea deal. Marion Jones gave up her Olympic medals as part of her plea deal. She never tested positive.

 

[Polish]

In 2004 more people went to Alpe d'Huez just to hack a loogie on LA...IOW's you're completely off.

Man that was a GREAT stage!
Awesome.

You realize those jackasses that spat upon Lance made him go even faster.
Probably took 2 minutes off his ascent time.
Lance admitted it made him go a lot faster.
One's own Blood combined with an Adrenaline Rush, natures best PED.
A few more hatefull loogies and Lance would have beat Pantani's Record.
Oh well lol.

You know, probably the only regret I have for Lance NOT being indicted is NOT being able to see his Awesome response. He would have handled those indictments like a shower of loogies. Sad NOT to see that Awesome response.
Same Awesomeness, Different Day.
SADD.

OMG, I realized I forgot to add Lance's Adrenal Gland to his Quiver of Awesomeness. I will add it in fyi....

 

[Neworld]

Man that was a GREAT stage!
Awesome.

You realize those jackasses that spat upon Lance made him go even faster.OMG, I realized I forgot to add Lance's Adrenal Gland to his Quiver of Awesomeness. I will add it in fyi....

Don't forget his Golgi Tendon Organs in his left Flexor digiti minimi brevis.

LA is so awesome, he can even use loogies for propulsion, amazing Polish.

NW

 

[Benotti69]

Don't forget his Golgi Tendon Organs in his left Flexor digiti minimi brevis.

LA is so awesome, he can even use loogies for propulsion, amazing Polish.

NW

His loogies are bigger, faster and stronger than the average athletes loogies

 

[Velodude]

From ESPN last year:

S.C.A. could also take action on its own. Jeff Tillotson, the lawyer who represented S.C.A. in the hearing, said the company could try to recoup its money "if it is determined that [Armstrong] used performance-enhancing drugs during that period."

If it were proved Armstrong had given false testimony in the case, SCA could "seek to invalidate the settlement on the grounds that it was procured by fraud," Tillotson said. S.C.A. would have to file a lawsuit in either instance and Tillotson stressed that decision has not been made.

LA will have problems with SCA and The Sunday Times (UK) over settlements obtained by fraud if the US Gov v Lance Edward Armstrong & Others finds that he doped from evidence relating to the indictments or his plea deal includes an admission to doping.

In the UK a court stamped settlement is a judgment and a judgment obtained by fraud can be overturned with criminal sanctions. Same would apply in Texas.

The Sunday Times have previously indicated they will be pursuing having the settlement set aside.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

Shape shifter too!

His loogies are bigger, faster and stronger than the average athletes loogies

http://www.livestrong.com/teamradioshack/riders_LanceArmstrong/

He's both 5'8" and 177 cm tall at the same time! Also 156.5 depending of course on how much mucus he expectorates.....Didn't he testify during the SCA trial that 74 kg was his lower weight limit? Then he's 5 years older in 2010 and 7lbs lighter..

That plus he (LA) rides a 58cm bike according to CN Maybe he should be called stretch Armstrong? I wonder if CN actually measured LA's bike, or did LA have a dummy bike submitted for CN's perusal???...Wasn't Hincapie riding a 58 and he's 6'3"? He's listed as 191 cm so the english measure to metric works out for him!

 

[MacRoadie]

That plus he (LA) rides a 58cm bike...t need to worry about top tube "accidents"...

 

[thehog]

Well I will admit that I do not understand how this works. I also do not understand your post.

Not sure anyone is worried about what went down. Their day did come (not sure if it was a Tuesday ) and it was in the form of a judgement order to pay the bonus and legal fees. (those legal fees were expensive @ around 2.5million)

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But there was no judgment in the case. None whatsoever. SCA agreed to settle before any judgments were made so indeed you do not know what I'm talking about.

Both parties also signed an agreement not to discuss the case. Which the Armstrong camp broke by announcing it was some form of “vindication” of his doping allegations.

Some people forget what the arbitration process is attempting to achieve – it’s a process by which it encourages both parties to talk and find resolution of their own accord. It’s not a court of judgment. It’s a “facilitation” process not a trial.

I think all of us have seen the videos released by Floyd from the hearings. Only one party turned up looking for resolution. The other party was dancing around the issue of doping and having an awful lot of memory loss about specific events.

 

[fatandfast]

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But there was no judgment in the case. None whatsoever. SCA agreed to settle before any judgments were made so indeed you do not know what I'm talking about.

Both parties also signed an agreement not to discuss the case. Which the Armstrong camp broke by announcing it was some form of “vindication” of his doping allegations.

Some people forget what the arbitration process is attempting to achieve – it’s a process by which it encourages both parties to talk and find resolution of their own accord. It’s not a court of judgment. It’s a “facilitation” process not a trial.

I think all of us have seen the videos released by Floyd from the hearings. Only one party turned up looking for resolution. The other party was dancing around the issue of doping and having an awful lot of memory loss about specific events.

So are you saying that an equal number of events happened to Landis and Lance in the same period? Landis was interviewed as much as Lance? He won or lost or was asked about as many races as Lance? He was in and out of the hospital as much as Lance was? Miles traveled? Where does Landis having less to remember factor in? Was is Armstrong portrayed as a p=ssy because he settled?
Anybody can let the dice role and take the case all the way through the process. SCA must have had a reason to write the check or they wouldn't have. How many kids does Landis have? That in itself should be reason enough that Armstrong should be able to forget what he considers as useless minutiae.

 

[thehog]

So are you saying that an equal number of events happened to Landis and Lance in the same period? Landis was interviewed as much as Lance? He won or lost or was asked about as many races as Lance? He was in and out of the hospital as much as Lance was? Miles traveled? Where does Landis having less to remember factor in? Was is Armstrong portrayed as a p=ssy because he settled?
Anybody can let the dice role and take the case all the way through the process. SCA must have had a reason to write the check or they wouldn't have. How many kids does Landis have? That in itself should be reason enough that Armstrong should be able to forget what he considers as useless minutiae.

I don’t know if you know but you really don’t make a lot of sense.

Of course SCA paid out the money and some. But they were defrauded in the meeting. Based on the evidence presented they decided the best route was to settle – now we know why.

You do realize that it’s a against the law to defraud any form of court don’t you? My personal opinion is the SCA trial is Lance is biggest problem in terms of charges. Because not only did he lie but he convinced/pressured others to do so and defrauded the entire process. It’s very serious.

Not sure what you’re on about with all the Landis stuff but whatever.

Do me a favour and watch the SCA videos then you'll know what I mean about memory.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

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You didn't say what prizes were on offer for the fun test but I did it anyway.

So are you saying that an equal number of events happened to Landis and Lance in the same period? More
Landis was interviewed as much as Lance? Less
He won or lost or was asked about as many races as Lance? More
He was in and out of the hospital as much as Lance was? Less
Miles traveled? Statute or nautical?
Where does Landis having less to remember factor in? Wyoming
Was is Armstrong portrayed as a p=ssy because he settled? Because he is a cool cat.
Anybody can let the dice role and take the case all the way through the process. SCA must have had a reason to write the check or they wouldn't have. How many kids does Landis have? 28.64
That in itself should be reason enough that Armstrong should be able to forget what he considers as useless minutiae.

 

[Spider1964]

Cav assumes Lances mantle

Poor Lance... now he's no longer the most tested athlete

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cycling-is-getting-cleaner-says-cavendish

"In the last three years I've had over 60 dope tests a year and in 2008/09 I was the most tested athlete on the planet," he told Sky Sports.

 

[ChrisE]

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But there was no judgment in the case. None whatsoever. SCA agreed to settle before any judgments were made so indeed you do not know what I'm talking about.

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Some people forget what the arbitration process is attempting to achieve – it’s a process by which it encourages both parties to talk and find resolution of their own accord. It’s not a court of judgment. It’s a “facilitation” process not a trial.

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I get it now.

Tailwind/LA wasn't playing nice in helping SCA understand they had to pay up, so when SCA got sued they decided to prolong the process even longer, finally resulting in an "encouraging" abitration where they ended up not only paying the $5 million, but another 2.5 for their trouble. Again, what a deal and what a great result "encouragement" can achieve.

Do you know how stupid this sounds with your pretzel logic trying to spin this however you can to paint this other than an azz beatdown of SCA? You must be in vertigo right now....I was in San Antonio over the weekend and I went to the Ripley's museum. They had this tunnel with mirrors and lights spinning around, like you are walking into a spinning tube. It would make you dizzy and want to fall over. That must be how you feel with these recent posts. Like Eminem says "I smoke a fat pound of grass, and fall down like a fat ***** that sat down to fast". That is you right about now.

Here's what really happened:

Tailwind/LA: We won, so pay up.
SCA: uh, blah, hospital, uh, walsh, uh, duh
Tailwind/LA: Pay up before I ***** slap you with lawsuit
SCA: uh, uh yeah go ahead....slobber, hiccup
Tailwind/LA: OK, if we arbitrate get your little crony appointee off the panel, pud (judge agrees).
SCA: blah blah, hospital room, blah blah. OK we settle. Here you go and some lawyer fees to match.
Tailwind/LA: Scoreboard *****.

 

[Neworld]

I get it now.

Tailwind/LA wasn't playing nice in helping SCA understand ...

Here's what really happened:

Tailwind/LA: We won, so pay up.
SCA: uh, blah, hospital, uh, walsh, uh, duh
Tailwind/LA: Pay up before I ***** slap you with lawsuit
SCA: uh, uh yeah go ahead....slobber, hiccup
Tailwind/LA: OK, if we arbitrate get your little crony appointee off the panel, pud (judge agrees).
SCA: blah blah, hospital room, blah blah. OK we settle. Here you go and some lawyer fees to match.
Tailwind/LA: Scoreboard *****.

Can't wait to pull this post out after all the Federal sworn testimony is made public and The Sunday times and SCA find new lawyers to suck the last bit of blood out of LA's one stone. Oh and don't forget about Landis' Whistleblower suit (federal whistle-blower lawsuit against his former team — the United States Postal Service squad that included the seven-time Tour winner Lance Armstrong — claiming that the team defrauded the government).

Kinda reminds me of Bush and WMD, 'cause at one point in time some dummies in the Western world believed the information presented to them by the Bush admin. Except for that silly Swedish Diplomat (Hans Blix), Hans looks really silly now doesn't he? Maybe its possible that at the instance in time the SCA tried to question LA and Tailwind there was 'misinformation' or worse, leading to an inappropriate settlement. That settlement may be readdressed in the future with the unearthing of new facts. Or, you and Polish are right and there is in fact a secret cache of weapons still buried in the dunes of Iraq that the rest of the world still cannot find.

NW

 

[Polish]

Can't wait to pull this post out after all the Federal sworn testimony is made public and The Sunday times and SCA find new lawyers to suck the last bit of blood out of LA's one stone. Oh and don't forget about Landis' Whistleblower suit (federal whistle-blower lawsuit against his former team — the United States Postal Service squad that included the seven-time Tour winner Lance Armstrong — claiming that the team defrauded the government).

Kinda reminds me of Bush and WMD, 'cause at one point in time some dummies in the Western world believed the information presented to them by the Bush admin. Except for that silly Swedish Diplomat (Hans Blix), Hans looks really silly now doesn't he? Maybe its possible that at the instance in time the SCA tried to question LA and Tailwind there was 'misinformation' or worse, leading to an inappropriate settlement. That settlement may be readdressed in the future with the unearthing of new facts. Or, you and Polish are right and there is in fact a secret cache of weapons still buried in the dunes of Iraq that the rest of the world still cannot find.

NW

Can't wait to pull this post out after all the Federal sworn testimony is over and the Grand Jury's time limit expires without indictments of Lance.

Oh wait, I just did.

BTW, Hans Blix would not have found any evidence of PEDS with Lance either.
"But Lance used PEDS on his own Team Mates"
Please, give it a rest. Time to move on.
It's time.
Pound/Bordry/Howman/Novitzky/Blix
Nada.

 

[Neworld]

Can't wait to pull this post out after all the Federal sworn testimony is over and the Grand Jury's time limit expires without indictments of Lance...

Facts please Polish.

You just claimed
that the GJ's time
limit has expired.

Facts please...cricket cricket.

Don't worry no one expects you to find the information to support that claim, nor do they expect the post devoid of that fact will stop you from posting like a LA high-school cheerleader, part-time bike salesperson.

NW

 

[Polish]

Facts please Polish.

You just claimed
that the GJ's time
limit has expired.

Facts please...cricket cricket.

Don't worry no one expects you to find the information to support that claim, nor do they expect the post devoid of that fact will stop you from posting like a LA high-school cheerleader, part-time bike salesperson.

NW

A Federal Grand Jury term is 18 months.
May 2010 to December 2011. Check a calendar. Gregorian.
Chant with me.....it is over, it is over, it is over.

 

[Neworld]

A Federal Grand Jury term is 18 months.
May 2010 to December 2011. Check a calendar. Gregorian.
Chant with me.....it is over, it is over, it is over.

What calendar would that be? Yours?
Jim Jones?

"listen to me, drink the purple juice,
drink the purple juice and free yourself Polish.
Be free of the demons I say you.
Be free of this foolishness.
There is life beyond the artificial beliefs of the Polish"

Polish the world is not flat.
Polish evolution exists.
Polish people lie and cheat
Polish LA is a liar and will let you down, hard.
Polish when 10s of people swear before a federal GJ, and evidence is proven as fact, its ok to let go... its ok, drink the purple juice.

NW

 

[Cimacoppi48]

A Federal Grand Jury term is 18 months.
May 2010 to December 2011. Check a calendar. Gregorian.
Chant with me.....it is over, it is over, it is over.

Grand Jury terms can be extended or the matter can be held over for a new Grand Jury. Tell Fabio his client is not out of danger by a long-shot.