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[Cobblestoned]

Could this be the most significant news in a while?

Python states that rhubroma's posts are reliable.

The Bonds case is finished for the moment. Why no indictments? Because Novitzky is still gathering evidence.

No wonder the Spin Doctor did not want any digging in Europe!

This is way past a little doping. Way back, RR suggested the IRS was involved.

Hang on - A waste of tax payers money was spun repeatedly. In the wash up, I foresee a tidy profit for the IRS et all.

Be patient. This digging could take a while.
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If python states that rubroma's posts are reliable, it must be like that.
Its like linking someone to a clinicthread as proof.
Damn, a place full of inbreeding, lol.

And please, please make that "ONLY RR suggested the IRS was involved", or you will be entering a world of pain soon.

Well, lets just repeat, what my banned friend polish (wow, he is banned for two weeks because too much Armstrong talk, lol) pointed out from week to week, that RR tells much when day is long, and his hit-rate comes close to that of a shotgun fired from 100m distance.
Next to RR's "exclusive" thoughts, my long time impression now is that he is like a stun grenade, that works with frag-grenades, and hits something from time to time.
Of course people only see the hits of their personal messias.

Anyway, I know he is a hero, because he is able to talk about Lance everywhere and everytime without getting banned for 2 weeks.

Glad that clinic now has some tax-talk to survive the week. Be patient...be patient...I can feel something is coming soon. Darkness. I told you so, but don't blame me if the sun goes up tomorrow. Be patient.

 

[JA.Tri]

Could this be the most significant news in a while?

Python states that rhubroma's posts are reliable.

The Bonds case is finished for the moment. Why no indictments? Because Novitzky is still gathering evidence.

No wonder the Spin Doctor did not want any digging in Europe!

This is way past a little doping. Way back, RR suggested the IRS was involved.

Hang on - A waste of tax payers money was spun repeatedly. In the wash up, I foresee a tidy profit for the IRS et all.

Be patient. This digging could take a while.
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loved the references to washing (machines), water usage etc.

I think the spin doctors have been through (unintentionally) their own spin cycle...in their effort to wash LA's hands (and body) they forgot about all the resulting dirty water.

Unable to discretely dispose of aforementioned dirty water (from all that dirty linen etc), they dumped it in easy reach of Novitsky, FBI etc.

Water analysed, impurities and isotopes traced directly back to LA! "smiles"

 

[Dallas_]

I detailed this very information a few days ago in the "Tsunami" thread.

I should add that the SWISS connection is not just payments. Its the UCI.

Cannot see Ferrari standing on US soil again.

He has visions of dudes in black suits.
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[hrotha]

Cobblestoned, do you ever add anything to the discussion or do you just post to deride those who do?

 

[thehog]

Cannot see Ferrari standing on US soil again.

He has visions of dudes in black suits.
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Can't seem him staying in Italy.

Can't see the UCI existing in its current structure beyond December. Vaughters knows this.

 

[python]

Rhubroma confirmed by the cn

Gazzetta dello Sport reveals more details about Dr Ferrari investigation

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gaz...s-more-details-about-dr-ferrari-investigation

Thursday's edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport has revealed more information concerning the ongoing investigation into infamous sports doctor Michele Ferrari and his possible links to Lance Armstrong and allegations of doping during the years of the US Postal Service cycling team.

 

[D-Queued]

So I read in la Gazzetta dello Sport today that the FBI, working in conjunction with the French Interpol, Italian NAS and the Swiss, have traced a full 15 MILLION euro in deposits to a Swiss bank account held by Michele Ferrari.

It has also been determined that many transfers came from across the Atlantic.

The circle seems to be closing in.

Thanks rhubroma, and thanks python for clarifying and providing the cn link.

Listed in Lance's records as more donations to the fight on doping?

or to pursue the latest water wasting headlines, the trickle is turning into a fountain

Thanks for linking the thoughts. Which is really the point.

Lance's water wastage demonstrates not only Lance's character, but that he has been poisoning his own well.

What image have his actions been nurturing amongst a group that could form a jury of his peers?

Lance may be very happy if/when indictments come through California.

At least there he can try and play the celebrity card. Maybe he can get LiLo to sit in on the jury selection, or an actual trial itself - as some sort of reference point. Even a train wreck can still get celebrity sympathy.

Cobblestoned, do you ever add anything to the discussion or do you just post to deride those who do?

Actually, I am flattered.

The linkage between wildfires and the world's number one water waster is potentially a bit thin.

The salient point, noted above, is about how his actions might affect the impression of his fellow Texans on Gunderson and Livewrong. And/or how they may perceive him once charges are laid and/or a verdict delivered.

What cobblestoned has done is confirm, as he has with the Gazzetta article, that my post was a lot more on target than I might have thought.

Thanks Cobblestoned!

Dave.

 

[rhubroma]

Dude, he was refering to my relating what was in the daily. I never claimed to have inside knowledge of this case and simply have passed on what I read in print. Whereas, however, if your looking for a translation from Italian into English, then I'm your man.

So on that python's indeed correct.

 

[D-Queued]

Rhubroma confirmed by the cn

Gazzetta dello Sport reveals more details about Dr Ferrari investigation

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gaz...s-more-details-about-dr-ferrari-investigation

Thursday's edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport has revealed more information concerning the ongoing investigation into infamous sports doctor Michele Ferrari and his possible links to Lance Armstrong and allegations of doping during the years of the US Postal Service cycling team.

Dave.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Thanks rhubroma, and thanks python for clarifying and providing the cn link.

Listed in Lance's records as more donations to the fight on doping?



Thanks for linking the thoughts. Which is really the point.

Lance's water wastage demonstrates not only Lance's character, but that he has been poisoning his own well.

What image have his actions been nurturing amongst a group that could form a jury of his peers?

Lance may be very happy if/when indictments come through California.

At least there he can try and play the celebrity card. Maybe he can get LiLo to sit in on the jury selection, or an actual trial itself - as some sort of reference point. Even a train wreck can still get celebrity sympathy.



Actually, I am flattered.

The linkage between wildfires and the world's number one water waster is potentially a bit thin.

The salient point, noted above, is about how his actions might affect the impression of his fellow Texans on Gunderson and Livewrong. And/or how they may perceive him once charges are laid and/or a verdict delivered.

What cobblestoned has done is confirm, as he has with the Gazzetta article, that my post was a lot more on target than I might have thought.

Thanks Cobblestoned!

Dave.

No problem, dear Dave.

I am just praising your personal "achievements" achieved in the internet.
Must feel nearly as good as the fanboy's "achievements" during Lance's 7 Tourwins.

Right now, I think you earned yourself a virtual Kinderriegel. Enjoy it.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Dude, he was refering to my relating what was in the daily. I never claimed to have inside knowledge of this case and simply have passed on what I read in print. Whereas, however, if your looking for a translation from Italian into English, then I'm your man.

So on that python's indeed correct.

I never doubted your knowledge, your translation skills, or your statement.
I just don't need a confirmation by the snake, you know.

I just pointed out another fumbling-session.

 

[python]

can we please put away or report the troll in stead of engaging him.

 

[D-Queued]

No problem, dear Dave.

I am just praising your personal "achievements" achieved in the internet.
Must feel nearly as good as the fanboy's "achievements" during Lance's 7 Tourwins.

Right now, I think you earned yourself a virtual Kinderriegel. Enjoy it.

Danke schön.

(Never look a gift horse in the mouth, and never turn down a Kinderriegel)

Dave.

 

[rhubroma]

Danke schön.

(Never look a gift horse in the mouth, and never turn down a Kinderriegel)

Dave.

Bite schone. But the best is Kinder BUENO. Hazelnut cream inside, I mean come on!

 

[python]

Dude, he was refering to my relating what was in the daily. I never claimed to have inside knowledge of this case and simply have passed on what I read in print. Whereas, however, if your looking for a translation from Italian into English, then I'm your man.

So on that python's indeed correct.

he knew that i was responding to this post by slowspoke

Link please! I couldn't find it.

his intention was to disrupt the conversation . exactly the type of issues brought up by granville in 'us against them' again, please do not feed the troll - report him.

to the specifics, how rigorous are italians investigating ferrari tax evasion. i heard it's almost a sport in itself (tax evasion) in italy.

 

[D-Queued]

The American Institute of Philanthropy, the org that 60 Minutes relied upon in it's analysis of Mortenson last night, had the following to say about boy wonder's charity:

"The Lance Armstrong Foundation (LAF), founded by the champion bicyclist and cancer survivor of the same name, is celebrating its 10-year anniversary this year. Wouldn’t you think a charity that receives massive publicity for having one of the most popular causes and most admired celebrities as the face of the organization would be able to easily raise lots of money? Unfortunately this is not the case. LAF spent as much as $45 to raise each $100, exceeding AIP’s 35% recommended fundraising ceiling by a significant margin. While LAF had difficulty raising contributions efficiently, it did prove to be a savvy merchandise marketer. LAF sold over $24 million in merchandise, including the ubiquitous yellow “LIVESTRONG” wristband, as well as clothing, sports gear and even dog leashes. Yet after spending $10 million in solicitation costs, the group brought in only $22 million in contributions, according to AIP’s analysis of LAF’s 2005 financial statements."

This is obviously dated info (Aug 2007) as the charity changed it's name to Livestrong. Nonetheless, it's interesting.

http://www.charitywatch.org/articles/cancer.html

In another example of how fast the mighty fall, the Mortenson story is devolving rapidly:

April 18: Mortenson Concedes He Conflated Parts of Memoir

April 19: Montana AG to investigate Greg Mortenson charity

April 20: Greg Mortenson to be sued by tribesmen he said kidnapped him

That is three strikes. Foreshadowing for Gunderson?

Anyone sent a note to 60 Minutes about Livewrong yet?

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Cobblestoned, do you ever add anything to the discussion or do you just post to deride those who do?

The latter.

However, I enjoy seeing them post (though I rarely read them) as it shows how the event has struck a nerve.
The more they just troll and mention rrrraceradio is a good indicator of how large an impact it has on the investigation - obviously todays news was a direct hit.

 

[Granville57]

Sorry, but I didn't read it on line, as I went out this morning and bought the paper.

What is, "the paper"?


Thanks for getting this in motion. This story is huge and really demonstrates just how incredibly small, and somewhat shortsighted, the recent Bicycling Mag article was. This is the unfolding of what many Clinicians have been made aware of for many months, but to many people that haven't been following the details of the investigation, these will be startling revelations.

the recent police search of Michele Scarponi...was only a small step in the investigation. The most important operations may have already been carried out.

It would seem that there were merely looking for further confirmation of what had already been uncovered.
This is going to be massive by all accounts (pun intended).

The investigators have apparently studied where payments to Dr Ferrari originated from and have frozen some bank accounts and seized the money. There are also apparently traces of cash transfers from the USA to Ferrari in Switzerland.

The Flandis accusations about the financial "advice" he received comes to mind immediately.

 

[D-Queued]

The latter.

However, I enjoy seeing them post (though I rarely read them) as it shows how the event has struck a nerve.
The more they just troll and mention rrrraceradio is a good indicator of how large an impact it has on the investigation - obviously todays news was a direct hit.

Some people just cannot get enough attention, though. You never know how Gunderson feels about his growing fame and notariety.

Dave.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

WoW

Anyone else see the linkage?

Texas Wildfires 2011: Season Among Worst In State History

Dave.

Dave, I think your post was meant to be humorous but please remember that some folks have died in these fires and some have lost their homes. It was a huge waste on his part but there is no link that I can see from 2008 to the fires of 2011.

 

[D-Queued]

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This is going to be massive by all accounts (pun intended).

The investigators have apparently studied where payments to Dr Ferrari originated from and have frozen some bank accounts and seized the money. There are also apparently traces of cash transfers from the USA to Ferrari in Switzerland.

The Flandis accusations about the financial "advice" he received comes to mind immediately.

If the transfers go beyond Armstrong, the investigators are likely to uncover transfers in the seven figures (i.e. 'millions'). Of course, Armstrong alone is believed to have paid out more than a million.

The financial magnitude of the fraud may cause Lance/Fabiani/Public Strategies to rue the day that they decided to play the 'how much is this all costing' card.

Q. And how is Doctor Ferrari paid? Is it paid per visit? Per training session?

A. I don't recall exactly. I mean, based on -- yeah, based on time commitment, and...

Q. Do you have to separately negotiate that fee arrangement with him?

A. I don't remember. I mean, it was not so strict.
...
Q. Do you know the total amount of compensation that you have paid to Doctor Ferrari since you've been using him as a trainer, approximately?

A. No.

Q. Do you think it's in excess of a million dollars?

A. I don't think so.

Q. Is it -- certainly, it's in the range of six figures, is it not?

A. Over the years, perhaps. But I don't recall

Maybe trying to put focus on the money wasn't such a good idea after all.

A likely tactic is also to continue criticisms made by Armstrong’s representatives that the enquiry is a waste of taxpayer’s money.

Live by the sword, die by the sword!

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Dave, I think your post was meant to be humorous but please remember that some folks have died in these fires and some have lost their homes. It was a huge waste on his part but there is no link that I can see from 2008 to the fires of 2011.

Hi Glenn,

Sorry, I did not mean to be off the cuff or make light of a very serious situation, or to be disrespectful in any way to those affected by the massive tragedy.

The point is merely to underscore the contrast between the massive water waster and the environment where that water is being squandered.

Texans praise all things large - but maybe not large water waste.

Dave.

 

[Berzin]

I was considering opening a new thread on the latest Ferrari accusations, but it is pointless, as the information really is preliminary right now and it will just open things up for the trolls to go bananas.

But we are getting an inkling into where the investigation is going. With the Italians on the case, they seem to be making headway into this doctor's practice and this can only be a good thing.

Let's hope there aren't any technicalities to slither through this time around for this snake.

15 million Euros (some of it wired from the United States) in Swiss bank accounts is a lot of money for "training sessions", and I'm glad to see those assets have been frozen.

 

[Oldman]

If the transfers go beyond Armstrong, the investigators are likely to uncover transfers in the seven figures (i.e. 'millions'). Of course, Armstrong alone is believed to have paid out more than a million.

The financial magnitude of the fraud may cause Lance/Fabiani/Public Strategies to rue the day that they decided to play the 'how much is this all costing' card.



Maybe trying to put focus on the money wasn't such a good idea after all.

A likely tactic is also to continue criticisms made by Armstrong’s representatives that the enquiry is a waste of taxpayer’s money.

Live by the sword, die by the sword!

Dave.

GOSH, Lance was the most tested athlete, ever. Who would have thought all of this would be about illegal wire transfers, fraud, distribution of controlled substances, conspiracy. Why this sounds like a RICO case, who would have guessed....oh wait....

 

[thehog]

I was considering opening a new thread on the latest Ferrari accusations, but it is pointless, as the information really is preliminary right now and it will just open things up for the trolls to go bananas.

But we are getting an inkling into where the investigation is going. With the Italians on the case, they seem to be making headway into this doctor's practice and this can only be a good thing.

Let's hope there aren't any technicalities to slither through this time around for this snake.

15 million Euros is a lot of money for "training sessions", and I'm glad to see those assets have been frozen.

Its a lot of money to someone who is a "family friend" and not a "professional" relationship.