Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Iker_Baqueiro]

Perhaps the place to admire him is on a board for cancer survivors. Surviving cancer is an achievement and seperate to racing a bike and doping.

The time for rational discussion over whether or not he was cheating is over, if people can't see the forest for the trees at this point then they are choosing to keep their eyes closed.

That's why I compare them to the flat earthers. You can't have a reasonable discussion.

what the above dude (paid by Armstrong or not paid) is trying to say is:
1) It's not fair that real justice may be served against Armstrong because "he is a cancer survivor".
1) It's not fair that real justice may be served against Armstrong because "he has done too many good things for people".

such a mercenary troll ...

 

[D-Queued]

...1) It's not fair that real justice may be served against Armstrong because "he has done too many good things for too many people".

such a mercenary troll ...

Fixed that for you.

As a self-fashioned miracle, Lance is telling us that he is an overworked messiah - too many people, and too many things. Not one, or the other. Both.

The inference is that all the people are ungrateful.

It is one of his all time best APD (Antisocial Personality Disorder) quotes.

If anyone is confused about whether there is a generous bone in Lance's body, he reminds you that he is keeping count and it isn't charity after all.

Dave.

 

[Astana1]

what the above dude (paid by Armstrong or not paid) is trying to say is:
1) It's not fair that real justice may be served against Armstrong because "he is a cancer survivor".
1) It's not fair that real justice may be served against Armstrong because "he has done too many good things for people".

such a mercenary troll ...

I'm a troll?

I was just critical of Armstrong supporters. Why on earth would I be paid to do that. LOL

 

[Andynonomous]

Wrong post

I'm a troll?

I was just critical of Armstrong supporters. Why on earth would I be paid to do that. LOL

I read his post as referring to something before your post.

 

[Astana1]

I read his post as referring to something before your post.

That's what I was hoping at least.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Perhaps the place to admire him is on a board for cancer survivors. Surviving cancer is an achievement and seperate to racing a bike and doping.

Admiration for surviving? Nah. Thank the general state of medicine and health care, a bit of personal attitude, but mostly being damn damn lucky, and not exactly being at death's door to start with. I have seen people at much more advanced stages battle. Some did impress me, btw.

You again fall in the trap of thinking that because you find it beyond yourself to admire him for anything, other people should therefore react the same to him, and use your standards to judge things by too as being the only possible ones.

"Cheat or not" is not the only scale to judge other people by. "Cheating" is one angle on Lance. There are others.

It is still perfectly possible to see the cheat, maybe the cheat of cheats, and still find aspects about him admirable, or noteworthy, or something that you support or sympathise with, identify with, or whatever.

And I haven't even said how I see the guy, but if the paid troll was aimed at me [by another poster], it's kinda nice to hear that the mods here are paid Lance stooges for a change

Many of the guys I admire or identify with to some extent (they're not my heroes, but I do get something that connects well with my mind) have to do with the things they brought to their racing. Many have been cheating to various degrees. I can dislike Vino for the doping part, and still admire his race mentality. If I can justify it for me for Vino, I would have to remove myself from the rational room if I want to argue that it is beyond human capacity for anyone else to have a similar attitude and find something genuinely redeeming or remarkable that works for them, in Lance.

Especially given that he was part of a field that "we" constantly claim is filled with cheats.

I have no problem with people seeing stuff in Lance that has caught their attention, and possibly not caring so much about some of the things that has you so worked up.

There are people on both sides of the equation with which it is hard to have a calm and rational argument. So far, I put you in that same mix, of folk who stand with determination in one camp, shouting, sneering, and unwilling to contemplate the validity of other angles. Which is what you throw as a blanket accusation to people who support Lance.

BTW, at no point had I even mentioned cancer, so maybe people should look at their own kneejerk assumptions a bit more before accusing others of not being rational or having blinkers on.

 

[ricara]

Speaking of Cancer...

Did you know that testicular cancer has one of the highest cure rates of any cancer? In fact it has a cure rate of "essentially 100% if it has not metastasized [spread]".

Now with WonderBoy, we know that it had spread. As of today, "Even for the relatively few cases in which malignant cancer has spread widely, chemotherapy offers a cure rate of at least 85 percent today." I don't know what the cure rate was 12 years ago, but it probably wasn't a lot different than that.

The bottom line is that WonderBoy was not particularly lucky with regards to beating cancer. In fact, 6 out 7 with metastasized testicular cancer survive.

The "Wonder" about WonderBoy is how in the world he won 7 straight Tours de France!

For more information on testicular cancer, visit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicular_cancer

 

[ricara]

I feel stupid responding to my own post...

...but a thought just occurred to me.

How do we know that WonderBoy's cancer had metastasized?

I have vague recollections of reports that it had spread to his brain. We all thought that he would be dead within weeks. Instead, he seemed to be completely cured within weeks.

Is it possible that the cancer had not metastasized and that part of it was just a publicity stunt to raise attention and make his "comeback" seem even more miraculous than it really was?

After all, without metastasis the cure rate is "essentially 100%".

Just a thought, and not something I would put past Weasel and the WonderBoy.

 

[Francois the Postman]

The bottom line is that WonderBoy was not particularly lucky with regards to beating cancer. In fact, 6 out 7 with metastasized testicular cancer survive.

So those 6 are lucky, as cancer does what it does, and they could have been #7 for pretty much the same money or fighting spirit. But if you have any disease that will probably kill if left untreated, but can be spotted in time, and treated, with damn good odds, you are damn lucky in my book. Others who get that one now, instead of 20 years ago, or got this one instead of some other form of cancer with worse odds, or discovered far too late, are lucky too.

My point however has nothing to with cancer.

It's about some people here stating time and time again that it is impossible to be rational unless you get the pitch forks out and go after the guy. I have plenty of "normal" posters who PM me, saying they are finding it difficult to say "they like him" or "have fond memories of him winning", or "admire him for his dogged determination", "ability to intimidate or win the head-game", or whatever.

On a cycling site for fans of the sport.

It's pathetic that we have become so unwelcoming that normal people feel unable to say anything remotely positive about Lance, and fully expect to be met with much hostility when they do. So much that they are keeping quiet. And, to me, posts like the above are part-responsible for that. And there are countless other examples, it's not even half-way the worst.

Something like that should not become so hard to say. On a cycling site for all people who enjoy cycling or some riders, for whatever reason.

Sure there are folk who can't see any faults with the guy. Not all of them do. Not all folk who like or admire Lance are irrational nutters. Stop shouting them down too, in your private rage.

And this is a case in hand. I made a vague objection, and people are dismissing it based on stuff that was never even said. Dragging in the cancer cards, the troll cards, the being paid cards. It's a joke. And sooo overplayed.

Against someone who doesn't even like him! You couldn't miss the nail further if you tried.

Those kneejerk responses are the reason why some anti-Lancers are as annoying to me as some of the more blatant obfuscaters. Both are killing the rational conversation stone dead.

There are people with blinkers on on both sides of this guy, if you ask me.

 

[Dallas_]

...but a thought just occurred to me.

How do we know that WonderBoy's cancer had metastasized?

I have vague recollections of reports that it had spread to his brain. We all thought that he would be dead within weeks. Instead, he seemed to be completely cured within weeks.

Is it possible that the cancer had not metastasized and that part of it was just a publicity stunt to raise attention and make his "comeback" seem even more miraculous than it really was?

After all, without metastasis the cure rate is "essentially 100%".

Just a thought, and not something I would put past Weasel and the WonderBoy.

Coyle's comedy

train harder

sorry you dont believe in miracles

ricara, your theory fits him like a glove
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[skippythepinhead]

Very intriguing post, Monsieur Postman. I would very much like to have the opportunity to one day evaluate Lance Armstrong in a wider context, in a world in which I get a sense that we know as much as possible about what he did and did not do to win his 7 Tours.

 

[Altitude]

...but a thought just occurred to me.

How do we know that WonderBoy's cancer had metastasized?

I have vague recollections of reports that it had spread to his brain. We all thought that he would be dead within weeks. Instead, he seemed to be completely cured within weeks.

Is it possible that the cancer had not metastasized and that part of it was just a publicity stunt to raise attention and make his "comeback" seem even more miraculous than it really was?

After all, without metastasis the cure rate is "essentially 100%".

Just a thought, and not something I would put past Weasel and the WonderBoy.

I think it's safe to say you've taken your Armstrong obsession to an unhealthy level

 

[benzwire]

Is it possible that the cancer had not metastasized and that part of it was just a publicity stunt to raise attention and make his "comeback" seem even more miraculous than it really was?

Really? At this point seeking professional help may be a good idea. I agree the Altitude; this is no longer a healthy obsession.

 

[thehog]

Perhaps the place to admire him is on a board for cancer survivors. Surviving cancer is an achievement and seperate to racing a bike and doping.

The time for rational discussion over whether or not he was cheating is over, if people can't see the forest for the trees at this point then they are choosing to keep their eyes closed.

That's why I compare them to the flat earthers. You can't have a reasonable discussion.

Yes those boards tell great stories. Like the one where a girl thinks her Aunt failed because he died of cancer. She didn't fight hard like Lance did.

http://www.goal-setting-college.com/inspiration/lance-armstrong/

Hello.
I´am Maria Jose Rodriguez I study in one of the best schools in cali-colombia.I´am some one who fights for what i want and I always hace thought that everything has solution.
As a Topic of the second period of English, Teachers hace shown videos about a personas who is a example to follow I it´s the life of Lance Armstrong. We saw videos on his life and who he is.
Teachers give this articule tous find it interesting because it shows that everything in life is possible despite he problems and if we fight what we dream we can go on.
I had an aunt who had cancer in the frowns but she was discouraged and did not stuggles to get ahead she died.
Lance Armstrong also had cancer and moved on because iknew he wanted. I can compare my aunt situation to Armstrong story but my aunt died because she didn´t fight enough to survive and Armstrong fought and won the battle.

 

[Benotti69]

...but a thought just occurred to me.

How do we know that WonderBoy's cancer had metastasized?

I have vague recollections of reports that it had spread to his brain. We all thought that he would be dead within weeks. Instead, he seemed to be completely cured within weeks.

Is it possible that the cancer had not metastasized and that part of it was just a publicity stunt to raise attention and make his "comeback" seem even more miraculous than it really was?

After all, without metastasis the cure rate is "essentially 100%".

Just a thought, and not something I would put past Weasel and the WonderBoy.

If we know anything about Gunderson is that he will do absolutely anything without a care for morals.

So why not?

The guy is currently trying to style himself as the knight in yella armour leading the fight against cancer, which it wold appear according to reports aint true.

 

[Digger]

Yes those boards tell great stories. Like the one where a girl thinks her Aunt failed because he died of cancer. She didn't fight hard like Lance did.

http://www.goal-setting-college.com/inspiration/lance-armstrong/

Hello.
I´am Maria Jose Rodriguez I study in one of the best schools in cali-colombia.I´am some one who fights for what i want and I always hace thought that everything has solution.
As a Topic of the second period of English, Teachers hace shown videos about a personas who is a example to follow I it´s the life of Lance Armstrong. We saw videos on his life and who he is.
Teachers give this articule tous find it interesting because it shows that everything in life is possible despite he problems and if we fight what we dream we can go on.
I had an aunt who had cancer in the frowns but she was discouraged and did not stuggles to get ahead she died.
Lance Armstrong also had cancer and moved on because iknew he wanted. I can compare my aunt situation to Armstrong story but my aunt died because she didn´t fight enough to survive and Armstrong fought and won the battle.

oh my god

 

[thehog]

oh my god

Landis working with producers from 60 minutes.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/iteam/2011/05/01/2011-05-01_lance_goes_quiet_on_landis_claims.html

"...according to multiple sources close to the case, Landis is working with producers from "60 Minutes."

 

[hrotha]

Mmm, I don't want to be a spoilsport but the whole "fighting a disease" concept started long before Armstrong.

 

[Benotti69]

Mmm, I don't want to be a spoilsport but the whole "fighting a disease" concept started long before Armstrong.

yeah but it has now reached 'cashing in on it' status

 

[hrotha]

yeah but it has now reached 'cashing in on it' status

That's debatable, but the point here is people are implicitly blaming Armstrong for the warped views of that Colombian girl... which are completely in line with how most people see cancer and how they saw it before Armstrong had it.

 

[Benotti69]

That's debatable, but the point here is people are implicitly blaming Armstrong for the warped views of that Colombian girl... which are completely in line with how most people see cancer and how they saw it before Armstrong had it.

for sure. i was having a jibe.

People don't want to hear they or their loved ones were lucky. they want to think that it was a battle that they overcame that something inside them beat it. My wife's cousin, 24, last year had a type of cancer, that i cannot remember the name of now and the wife is not here to ask, but 2 doctor friends of ours said say goodbye to her, but she just continued as best she could with her normal life, a non athletic, work in a shoe shop life, took the treatment, chemo, and appears to have made a complete recovery. No trips anywhere, no reading survivors tales, no religion seeking cures etc.. she continued as normal as possible.

An uncle had a brain tumour and was not lucky.

I dont think people blame Gunderson, i think they mock his selling this mythical battle from deaths door back to the top of Mont Ventoux on his own strength. Big difference.

 

[Polish]

Gosh, with me and flicker banned for two weeks I would have thought THIS thread would have dropped down to page three or four by now lol.

crickets chirp chirp.

Whats that you say? This thread has rocketed past 1000+ posts in our absence - and is now sitting at #3 on the All Time List of Most Popular CN Clinic Threads. Wow.

I guess I should not be TOO suprised considering who the TOP 20 posters have been in this thread. Crap, me and flicker stand out like Bassons and Mancoutie in a TdF Top 20 lol.
Dont spit in the soup lol again.


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[Benotti69]

something speaks volumes

A legal deadline that expired yesterday means that Lance Armstrong cannot now sue former US Postal Service team mate Floyd Landis for defamation as a result of the latter’s accusations that the seven-time Tour de France winner was central to an organised system of doping within the team

http://road.cc/content/news/34994-l...armstrong-sue-floyd-landis-over-doping-claims

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...oes_quiet_on_landis_claims.html#ixzz1L5qK4QW7

 

[D-Queued]

Gosh, with me and flicker banned for two weeks I would have thought THIS thread would have dropped down to page three or four by now lol.

crickets chirp chirp.

...

You might want to read Francois' recent post about trolling behavior. Given that you appear to appreciate being back from vacation, that is, independent of where you rank in this thread.

Once you get through contemplating that, perhaps you or flicker can explain why Lance is ok with the Landis accusations.

A legal deadline that expired yesterday means that Lance Armstrong cannot now sue former US Postal Service team mate Floyd Landis for defamation as a result of the latter’s accusations that the seven-time Tour de France winner was central to an organised system of doping within the team

http://road.cc/content/news/34994-l...armstrong-sue-floyd-landis-over-doping-claims

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...oes_quiet_on_landis_claims.html#ixzz1L5qK4QW7

Given the Lance history of sue everyone, typically on no grounds whatsoever (please refer to the evidence posted on the Emma O'Reilly threads since you were away), no action here can readily be regarded as acceptance and tacit approval.

Dave.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

...but a thought just occurred to me.

How do we know that WonderBoy's cancer had metastasized?

I have vague recollections of reports that it had spread to his brain. We all thought that he would be dead within weeks. Instead, he seemed to be completely cured within weeks.

Is it possible that the cancer had not metastasized and that part of it was just a publicity stunt to raise attention and make his "comeback" seem even more miraculous than it really was?

After all, without metastasis the cure rate is "essentially 100%".

Just a thought, and not something I would put past Weasel and the WonderBoy.

WoW. I never thought anyone would have that opinion. I thought there are pictures and video's with dude having a fishhook scar on his grape?