Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Hugh Januss]

WoW. I never thought anyone would have that opinion. I thought there are pictures and video's with dude having a fishhook scar on his grape?

Photoshopped.

 

[D-Queued]

WoW. I never thought anyone would have that opinion. I thought there are pictures and video's with dude having a fishhook scar on his grape?

There you go with that man on the moon thing, again.

Dave.

 

[Topangarider]

A legal deadline that expired yesterday means that Lance Armstrong cannot now sue former US Postal Service team mate Floyd Landis for defamation as a result of the latter’s accusations that the seven-time Tour de France winner was central to an organised system of doping within the team

http://road.cc/content/news/34994-l...armstrong-sue-floyd-landis-over-doping-claims

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...oes_quiet_on_landis_claims.html#ixzz1L5qK4QW7

Maybe LA is saving his money for a libel/defamation suit against the upcoming 60 Minutes show on him.

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe LA is saving his money for a libel/defamation suit against the upcoming 60 Minutes show on him.

or maybe he's saving/spending it for/on the bent politicians in DC trying to get the feds of his back.

 

[thehog]

A legal deadline that expired yesterday means that Lance Armstrong cannot now sue former US Postal Service team mate Floyd Landis for defamation as a result of the latter’s accusations that the seven-time Tour de France winner was central to an organised system of doping within the team

http://road.cc/content/news/34994-l...armstrong-sue-floyd-landis-over-doping-claims

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...oes_quiet_on_landis_claims.html#ixzz1L5qK4QW7

I posted this 5 hours before you. Why didn't you read my post instead of trying to out do me?

 

[Polish]

That's why I compare them to the flat earthers. You can't have a reasonable discussion.

If the earth were flat, Lance would have won 10 tours.
He couldn't climb you know.

So I guess we can conclude the earth is roundish give or take

 

[AngusW]

If the earth were flat, Lance would have won 10 tours.
He couldn't climb you know.

So I guess we can conclude the earth is roundish give or take

If the earth was flat, we'd all be under water.

 

[D-Queued]

I posted this 5 hours before you. Why didn't you read my post instead of trying to out do me?

If we are going for first place, RR copied RT'd the NYDN Tweet on it last night...

Landis emailed doping accusations about Armstrong 4/30/2010. California statute of limitations on defamation is 1 year. No lawsuit.

http://twitter.com/#!/NYDNSportsITeam/status/64503844163420160

Dave.

 

[flicker]

You might want to read Francois' recent post about trolling behavior. Given that you appear to appreciate being back from vacation, that is, independent of where you rank in this thread.

Once you get through contemplating that, perhaps you or flicker can explain why Lance is ok with the Landis accusations.



Given the Lance history of sue everyone, typically on no grounds whatsoever (please refer to the evidence posted on the Emma O'Reilly threads since you were away), no action here can readily be regarded as acceptance and tacit approval.

Dave.

lAnCe zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Maybe he just knew Landis was down on his luck. Why sue someone who is down, no point.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

lAnCe zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Maybe he just knew Landis was down on his luck. Why sue someone who is down, no point.

Maybe not, tic toc tic toc have a nice fall.

 

[Berzin]

Mmm, I don't want to be a spoilsport but the whole "fighting a disease" concept started long before Armstrong.

Exactly.

Hijacking the "fight" against cancer, as if Armstrong were the one and only person to have ever "fought" cancer and "won" (thus being the only person deserving of "inspirational" status) is becoming a commonplace diatribe for those who are refusing to abandon the Titanic despite the water it's taking on.

Even rats know enough when to jump off a sinking ship.

 

[Polish]

I dont think people blame Gunderson, i think they mock his selling this mythical battle from deaths door back to the top of Mont Ventoux on his own strength. Big difference.

What is this "Mythical Battle" you speak of?
Lance was the first to admit it was luck that led to his survival.

I think you have been reading too many of your own posts.
"deaths door to the top of Mont Ventoux" sure whatever lol.

 

[skippythepinhead]

What is this "Mythical Battle" you speak of?
Lance was the first to admit it was luck that led to his survival.

I think you have been reading too many of your own posts.
"deaths door to the top of Mont Ventoux" sure whatever lol.

The key phrase you either ignored or missed in the post you are lol-ing is that the mythical battle was waged "on his own strength." That Lance's mighty will and once in a generation talent were all that were required to vanquish all comers.

 

[python]

skyppy, don't waste your time, ol' rai ?

rather, let's condense the news about the 'bad boy' landis credibility:

- 'we like our words against his' but... we wont challenge his words, and

- 'The UCI itself threatened to sue Landis after the former rider said that it helped cover up positive tests. A legal firm representing the governing body issued a letter on February 7th demanding a retraction from him within a 15 day period. He declined to do so and, almost three months later, no action has been initiated.http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...kely-to-face-legal-action-from-Armstrong.aspx

i now know whose credibility i'd short sell...

 

[flicker]

skyppy, don't waste your time, ol' rai ?

rather, let's condense the news about the 'bad boy' landis credibility:

- 'we like our words against his' but... we wont challenge his words, and

- 'The UCI itself threatened to sue Landis after the former rider said that it helped cover up positive tests. A legal firm representing the governing body issued a letter on February 7th demanding a retraction from him within a 15 day period. He declined to do so and, almost three months later, no action has been initiated.http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...kely-to-face-legal-action-from-Armstrong.aspx

i now know whose credibility i'd short sell...

When anyone recognizes Landis credibility they recognize his credibility.
My guess is if Landis ever goes to court as a witness against anyone in any doping cases, PEDs, Drug Dealing, Recreational Drugs, DUI cases, and if Landis goes before any opposing barristers who are worth their salt, Landis will be made to be as he is, a most non-credible witness.
Of course the first thing to consider about Floyd is lying to WADA, hacking French computers, taking his defense fund under false pretenses, making the statement' PEDs should be legalized etc.
Of course here in the anti- Armstrong forum all this is forgiven as far as the above 'Landis is not credible' charges go.

"Responsibility is a heavy responsibility." Cheech Marin from the film 'Up in smoke.'

 

[uspostal]

Shouldn't the govermental power to be, be chasing a fraud charge against Floyd. He knowling took money that was for a defense that he knew was a lie. He's admitted to doping, he's a lying cheat, prison is a good place for Chade ti be.

 

[flicker]

skyppy, don't waste your time, ol' rai ?

rather, let's condense the news about the 'bad boy' landis credibility:

- 'we like our words against his' but... we wont challenge his words, and

- 'The UCI itself threatened to sue Landis after the former rider said that it helped cover up positive tests. A legal firm representing the governing body issued a letter on February 7th demanding a retraction from him within a 15 day period. He declined to do so and, almost three months later, no action has been initiated.http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...kely-to-face-legal-action-from-Armstrong.aspx

i now know whose credibility i'd short sell...

Is Pat McQuaid suddenly credible to the forumites now that he admits their were a doping issues in the past?

 

[D-Queued]

Is Pat McQuaid suddenly credible to the forumites now that he admits their were a doping issues in the past?

All great lies have a grain of truth at their center. Apparently not everyone can separate when he speaks the truth, from when he doesn't.

Dave.

 

[flicker]

All great lies have a grain of truth at their center. Apparently not everyone can separate when he speaks the truth, from when he doesn't.

Dave.

Many grey areas in life, just as Massimo Testa said in his article in PRO-CYCLING a few months ago, medicine is not black and white.
The forum group here, now referred to by me as the autobus has chosen truth and transparency. Sadly even in courts of law, transperency is not always seen. I know I know like Malcom Mcdowell says to his truant officer in a "Clockwork Orange" as clear as an unmuddied lake and as clear as an azure sky, those truths are not truths, fallacies really. You know how that turned out when the PM decided to become palsy wowsy with Malcom. I see more here from some of the unmentionables telling truth in their lies. Unmentionable man is not a relative, or a trusted friend, he is an entertainer, soon to be voted into a public office, scary eh?
So going back to someone I can mention without repercussion, McQuaid, Phil and Paul, Bob Roll, the Belgian, British, Aussie, Italian,etc, cycling commentators, really listen, they may not tell the truth we may want/not want to hear, but their cynicism, off beat humor, really screams truth to me.
It is always good to have a quality cabernet with some of the DSs and journalists if you really want black and white.

 

[Astana1]

Admiration for surviving? Nah. Thank the general state of medicine and health care, a bit of personal attitude, but mostly being damn damn lucky, and not exactly being at death's door to start with. I have seen people at much more advanced stages battle. Some did impress me, btw.

You again fall in the trap of thinking that because you find it beyond yourself to admire him for anything, other people should therefore react the same to him, and use your standards to judge things by too as being the only possible ones.

"Cheat or not" is not the only scale to judge other people by. "Cheating" is one angle on Lance. There are others.

It is still perfectly possible to see the cheat, maybe the cheat of cheats, and still find aspects about him admirable, or noteworthy, or something that you support or sympathise with, identify with, or whatever.

And I haven't even said how I see the guy, but if the paid troll was aimed at me [by another poster], it's kinda nice to hear that the mods here are paid Lance stooges for a change

Many of the guys I admire or identify with to some extent (they're not my heroes, but I do get something that connects well with my mind) have to do with the things they brought to their racing. Many have been cheating to various degrees. I can dislike Vino for the doping part, and still admire his race mentality. If I can justify it for me for Vino, I would have to remove myself from the rational room if I want to argue that it is beyond human capacity for anyone else to have a similar attitude and find something genuinely redeeming or remarkable that works for them, in Lance.

Especially given that he was part of a field that "we" constantly claim is filled with cheats.

I have no problem with people seeing stuff in Lance that has caught their attention, and possibly not caring so much about some of the things that has you so worked up.

There are people on both sides of the equation with which it is hard to have a calm and rational argument. So far, I put you in that same mix, of folk who stand with determination in one camp, shouting, sneering, and unwilling to contemplate the validity of other angles. Which is what you throw as a blanket accusation to people who support Lance.

BTW, at no point had I even mentioned cancer, so maybe people should look at their own kneejerk assumptions a bit more before accusing others of not being rational or having blinkers on.

You wasted a ton of time writing that. You basically wrote a verbose posting when all you needed to say is that I am just as irrational as the people I am saying are irrational.

As we learn more about Lance, we see the excuses on his behalf become more and more desperate and creative. They are like the "birthers" in America, grasping at strings that aren't there.

The time for his defending has ended. I don't see how a thinking and informed fan can continue to believe this guy was innocent.

But if they want to keep on going then fine. I'll sit back and enjoy the popcorn.

By the way. Now that I read this post after reading the Private Message you sent me in regards to my previous Avatar, I think that you perhaps are using you are taking your administrative authority a little too seriously.

But I went ahead and changed it for you, so that I wouldn't hurt the sanctity of the magical and clean non-doping forum.

(for those of you who didn't see don't recall/don't care, my avatar as of five minutes ago was two bags of blood, I was told it was an inappropriate avatar outside of the clinic)

 

[Astana1]

...but a thought just occurred to me.

How do we know that WonderBoy's cancer had metastasized?

I have vague recollections of reports that it had spread to his brain. We all thought that he would be dead within weeks. Instead, he seemed to be completely cured within weeks.

Is it possible that the cancer had not metastasized and that part of it was just a publicity stunt to raise attention and make his "comeback" seem even more miraculous than it really was?

After all, without metastasis the cure rate is "essentially 100%".

Just a thought, and not something I would put past Weasel and the WonderBoy.

I agree that he was a cheater, and he uses his cancer fighting efforts as a moral shield, but I find any claim that he made out his cancer to be worse than it was to be really improbable.

 

[flicker]

I agree that he was a cheater, and he uses his cancer fighting efforts as a moral shield, but I find any claim that he made out his cancer to be worse than it was to be really improbable.

My Dad died from colon cancer, also cirrhosis of the liver both preventable.
My Uncle is dying from prostrate cancer, very painful.

Does it have anything to do with Mr. Unmentionable or his unmentionable organization? No.

However, anyone who jokes about, or makes analogies about Lance causing his own cancer, will catch my ire, simply for my own personal reasons.

Also joking about or using an analogy about someone being a cancer to the sport, as Mr. Kimmage has chosen to do is in poor taste, and really does insult anyone afflicted by, or who has family, or friends effected by cancer.

I recommend not speaking about cancer, unless in compassion terms.
Cancer is not a joke.

 

[Digger]

My Dad died from colon cancer, also cirrhosis of the liver both preventable.
My Uncle is dying from prostrate cancer, very painful.

Does it have anything to do with Mr. Unmentionable or his unmentionable organization? No.

However, anyone who jokes about, or makes analogies about Lance causing his own cancer, will catch my ire, simply for my own personal reasons.

Also joking about or using an analogy about someone being a cancer to the sport, as Mr. Kimmage has chosen to do is in poor taste, and really does insult anyone afflicted by, or who has family, or friends effected by cancer.
I recommend not speaking about cancer, unless in compassion terms.
Cancer is not a joke.

That's your personal opinion and feelings - however you do not speak for everyone who has been touched by cancer.

 

[flicker]

That's your personal opinion and feelings - however you do not speak for everyone who has been touched by cancer.

I get the point, as far as peoples feelings about Lance, negative or positive.
Sometimes the peoples' analogies on this forum really make me sick!
Being civil and respectful is an admirable quality.
I talk to my wife, Lances' arrogance was/is? legendary. I think that is a fact, not an opinion. That however has nothing to do with cancer, or cycling, I myself would like to separate Lances' arrogance from cycling.
It is time to move on, he is retired.

 

[Astana1]

My Dad died from colon cancer, also cirrhosis of the liver both preventable.
My Uncle is dying from prostrate cancer, very painful.

Does it have anything to do with Mr. Unmentionable or his unmentionable organization? No.

However, anyone who jokes about, or makes analogies about Lance causing his own cancer, will catch my ire, simply for my own personal reasons.

Also joking about or using an analogy about someone being a cancer to the sport, as Mr. Kimmage has chosen to do is in poor taste, and really does insult anyone afflicted by, or who has family, or friends effected by cancer.

I recommend not speaking about cancer, unless in compassion terms.
Cancer is not a joke.

Agree 100% I think that saying Lance inflated his bout with the disease is going too far IMO.