Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[JMBeaushrimp]

Yes , and they seem to have used the time off to polish up their "Full ***".

And here I was thinking that that turd couldn't get any shinier...

 

[ChrisE]

Yes , and they seem to have used the time off to polish up their "Full ***".

Some of us used our time off wisely, so hopefully you don't dump all of these former banned posters into the same pot.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Ok, it seems the message that we want things to be more about cycling and less about each other isn't sinking in.

I would suggest that all of you stop right here with this bickering, and I am gonna have a chat with the other mods about this. The next post are about Armstrong. No exceptions, or there are consequences.

And the chat will be across time zones, so don't expect action within a few minutes or so. What you all do next will be taken into account too.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Some of us used our time off wisely, so hopefully you don't dump all of these former banned posters into the same pot.

What forum were you trolling during that time?

By the way, welcome back, let's see if you can set a new record for longevity. Of course a couple weeks without getting banned would probably be a record for you.


Edit: I posted this before I saw what you posted just above it. Please have mercy.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Who had been wired fifteen million.

What is the basis for this claim that Armstrong wired Ferrari 15 million euros?

 

[MacRoadie]

What is the basis for this claim that Armstrong wired Ferrari 15 million euros?

It's best summarized here:

U.S. and Italian Authorities Examine Armstrong-Ferrari Ties

Sources close to the U.S. investigation recently told VeloNews that investigators have begun to focus on a years’ worth of secretive financial transactions involving “tens of millions and maybe more.”

Thursday’s report in Gazzetta notes that U.S. and Italian investigators are currently examining a series of bank transfers and cash transactions totaling an estimated 15 million Euros.

All based on an original article in Gazetta dello Sport. The article doesn't state Armstrong's name explicitly (it says "several high-profile cyclists"), but one can infer from the dialog with US authorities and Armstrong's long-time association with Ferrari that LA is a focus of investigation and likely source for the funds.

The article further states that a total of "tens of millions and maybe more" which would mean at least 20 million, but that the 15 million is specifically being looked at by US authorities.

 

[python]

to repeat what has been posted here many times since the news broke out.

armstrong admitted at the sca trial that before 2005 he personally paid ferrari hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It's best summarized here:

U.S. and Italian Authorities Examine Armstrong-Ferrari Ties



All based on an original article in Gazetta dello Sport. The article doesn't state Armstrong's name explicitly (it says "several high-profile cyclists"), but one can infer from the dialog with US authorities and Armstrong's long-time association with Ferrari that LA is a focus of investigation and likely source for the funds.

The article further states that a total of "tens of millions and maybe more" which would mean at least 20 million, but that the 15 million is specifically being looked at by US authorities.

If he was paying that much for doping, it's no wonder he had to stiff ex-teammates out of prize money.

 

[ChrisE]

to repeat what has been posted here many times since the news broke out.

armstrong admitted at the sca trial that before 2005 he personally paid ferrari hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Q. Do you know the total amount of compensation

that you have paid to Doctor Ferrari since you've been

using him as a trainer, approximately?

A. No.

Q. Do you think it's in excess of a million

dollars?

A. I don't think so.


Q. Is it -- certainly, it's in the range of six

figures, is it not?

A. Over the years, perhaps. But I don't

recall.

Not quite the same. Just trying to keep the facts straight around here.

 

[patricknd]

Not quite the same. Just trying to keep the facts straight around here.

this is an internet forum. facts aren't important

 

[Semper Fidelis]

It's best summarized here:

U.S. and Italian Authorities Examine Armstrong-Ferrari Ties



All based on an original article in Gazetta dello Sport. The article doesn't state Armstrong's name explicitly (it says "several high-profile cyclists"), but one can infer from the dialog with US authorities and Armstrong's long-time association with Ferrari that LA is a focus of investigation and likely source for the funds.

The article further states that a total of "tens of millions and maybe more" which would mean at least 20 million, but that the 15 million is specifically being looked at by US authorities.

So you are stating that we can INFER that 15 million all came from LA? OK well stick to that and we will wait and watch just how far that dog will hunt. I think or in my opinion your not on the right trail. We will see.

Oh and please bring the hate and troll pain.

 

[python]

the interesting thing is that the facts were not made any straighter by repeating what was posted many times.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

If he was paying that much for doping, it's no wonder he had to stiff ex-teammates out of prize money.

maybe your on to something only time will tell hu? I doubt him stiffing those guys out of the prize money were the catalyst to pay for his doping program. You may want to call up Nike and those dollllllar dollllllllar billls YO.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

the interesting thing is that the facts were not made any straighter by repeating what was posted many times.

Really you stated the amount LA put towards Dr. Ferrari which was a (in my opinon) made up HUNDREDS of thousands. You made that statement without one quote to any actual evidence (which is many in relation to LA) yet you know the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS?

When presented with the liars words (LA) in the SCA trial you come back with some repeated post of many times?

 

[python]

for those disinterested in the houston gang hijacking the thread, they need only page back to the dq posting the quotes from the sca trial. the rest is an obvious material for the moderators.

 

[Polish]

My sources are telling me that Dr Ferrarri will throw Lance under the bus before the start of the Tour de France.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

for those disinterested in the houston gang hijacking the thread, they need only page back to the dq posting the quotes from the sca trial. the rest is an obvious material for the moderators.

ChrisE quoted the SCA trial what are you talking about Post number Please?

 

[python]

do your own home work. it's all in this thread. if you are not able to page back to the dq quotes already referenced, your goal must be examined by the mods.

 

[Race Radio]

So you are stating that we can INFER that 15 million all came from LA? OK well stick to that and we will wait and watch just how far that dog will hunt. I think or in my opinion your not on the right trail. We will see.

Oh and please bring the hate and troll pain.

As they are talking about money coming from the US it likely came from all his US customers, like Lance and....um, Who else?

 

[MacRoadie]

So you are stating that we can INFER that 15 million all came from LA? OK well stick to that and we will wait and watch just how far that dog will hunt. I think or in my opinion your not on the right trail. We will see.

Oh and please bring the hate and troll pain.

Uh, no, I said:

but one can infer from the dialog with US authorities and Armstrong's long-time association with Ferrari that LA is a focus of investigation and likely source for the funds.

Where did I say that the whole amount came from Armstrong? I simply said that seems to be the number of interest to the US guys, and that Armstrong's relationship with Ferrari makes him a prime candidate for being a source (not THE ONLY source).

I further said:

The article further states that a total of "tens of millions and maybe more" which would mean at least 20 million, but that the 15 million is specifically being looked at by US authorities.

Again, zero mention that all $15 million came from any one rider, simply that that is the number that appears to be of interest to US authorities. Also, that there appears to be funds beyong that, suggesting that American sources aren't the only ones being investigated.

Had you taken into acount the post by flicker that I was responding to, the one that reads:

So, Lance wired Ferrari all that money. You would think that Dr. Ferrari was trying to buy a new Gulfstream, and a villa on Lake Como.

You'd see that I was actually refuting the idea that Armstrong paid the whole $15 million.

 

[python]

Uh, no, I said:



<snip>

As for the rest, nice try in attempting to bait me into a troll dialog but it isn't going to happen.

good sense. i suggest you report it. the parties trying to bait you, me and others are supposedly being watched.

 

[Hugh Januss]

As they are talking about money coming from the US it likely came from all his US customers, like Lance and....um, Who else?

The rest of the "Blue Train" maybe?

 

[Polish]

This post was made on the "No way is Gilbert clean".
Do not want to discuss Lance over there, over here instead....

He (Gilbert) has a lot of time to let his body recover, and being 28 years old, he's hitting prime time now. Notice how his wins and placings have gradually increased since the start of his career (in which 2007 seemed to be an odd year). It isn't as if he's never been around and then he's suddenly stomping on everyone like everyones favourite American.
.

Can I assume you mean Lance as "everyone's favourite American"?
If so, you really can not compare Gilbert to Lance...

Lance has been STOMPING on everyone since day one.

When Gilbert was 21, he won a stage in the Tour Down Under.
Nothing wrong with that at all, kind of cool to be sure.

And when Lance was 21, he won a gruelling rainy cold Road World Championship.
Youngest American or Australian ever to do so. That record will stand a long time.

At 21, Lance also won a stage of the Tour de France.
Again, the youngest American or Australian to do so.

He won the Trofeo Laiguelia too.
Podium on the Tour of Sweden
Podium on the Tour du Pont

STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP

 

[MacRoadie]

good sense. i suggest you report it. the parties trying to bait you, me and others are supposedly being watched.

It's all good.Things cleared up via PM.

 

[Polish]

As they are talking about money coming from the US it likely came from all his US customers, like Lance and....um, Who else?

It has always struck me as a bit odd that dr ferarrri's website/business is written in english not italian. And not the type of english found in a campagnolo catalog translation. But very grammatically correct english instead.

Any customers lurking here on the clinic?
Novitsky is on your trail....