Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[ChrisE]

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i was going to explain it in great detail but it's probably not necessary. privatizing the USPS would be imbecilic and isn't even an option. full disclosure: i do not work for USPS but did briefly approx ten years ago. truthfully i hated it, but i do know the inner workings fairly well and see many positives and negatives and you haven't got a clue if you're comparing fedex apples to USPS oranges. just think about this, it costs a measly 44 cents to send a letter from NYC to Honolulu!!!!

Yes, and it costs zero to send an email other than the ISP fees.

But, according to your logic if only USPS could charge $1.44 they would thrive in the marketplace.

 

[patricknd]

Bingo! Ahh yes, those wonderful fantasy accounting statements that show what USPS's bottom line would've been in those years without sponsoring the team. Seems like I've heard this somewhere before.

the usps financials are a red herring. it's the water, man, that's the real issue. i've heard whispers of fertilizer use as well. on his grass! in texas!!!!

i'm investigating it now, but if you don't hear from me in a week, well, you'll know what happened......

 

[lean mean &green]

Yes, and it costs zero to send an email other than the ISP fees.

But, according to your logic if only USPS could charge $1.44 they would thrive in the marketplace.

not really what i said at all. i explained as simply as i could why a few billion shortfall might not be a reason to panic for an entity with 70 billion in annual operating costs and a unique inability to adjust their own prices in the short term. i'm not going to derail another thread on USPS fincancials. you have two options in this forum and in life for that matter...

continue to form strong opinions based upon too little information or keep quiet until you have done enough homework to enter a debate intelligently.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Someone asked about # of tests a few pages back.

According to the USADA figures, Lance has had only 27 OOC tests.

Here is a snapshot from the 'Cav - cleanest sport' thread:



27 is a long way from 500.

During the 2000-2010 period, the following US cyclists had more OOC tests than Lance:

53 Amber Neben
45 Jeremy Horgan
41 Heather Irmiger
39 Sarah Hammer
36 Colby Pearce
36 Jennie Reed
36 Laura Van
35 Mike Creed
34 Chris Horner
33 Todd Wells
30 Kirstin Armstrong
30 Rebecca Quin
30 Willow Koerber
29 Fred Rodriguez
29 George Hincapie
29 Jeremiah Bishop
28 Michael Blatchford
28 Sarah Uhl

Dave.

You have neglected to include all the tests performed by il Dottore (Schumi), and other persons/organisations that uni-baller seems reluctant to present to us all.

So he may well be the worlds most tested athlete.....

 

[ChrisE]

not really what i said at all. i explained as simply as i could why a few billion shortfall might not be a reason to panic for an entity with 70 billion in annual operating costs and a unique inability to adjust their own prices in the short term. i'm not going to derail another thread on USPS fincancials. you have two options in this forum and in life for that matter...

continue to form strong opinions based upon too little information or keep quiet until you have done enough homework to enter a debate intelligently.

You stated that USPS was in bad shape because the govt. imposed regulations on them that would not allow them to raise prices. That is exactly what you wrote.

they're losing billions because unlike private business they aren't allowed to raise prices whenever they feel like it. in fact, that's really the most profound way in which they are gov't regulated

I call BS....it is alot more complicated than that and plus your understanding of unregulated supply side economics is upside down. If you want to get down in the dirt and discuss capitalism I'm more than happy to, but lay off the ad-hominems and don't expect me to ignore your confused takes.

 

[MarkvW]

You stated that USPS was in bad shape because the govt. imposed regulations on them that would not allow them to raise prices. That is exactly what you wrote.



I call BS....it is alot more complicated than that and plus your understanding of unregulated supply side economics is upside down. If you want to get down in the dirt and discuss capitalism I'm more than happy to, but lay off the ad-hominems and don't expect me to ignore your confused takes.

A lot more complicated! But you can avoid complication by adopting a governing theory and selecting facts that support that theory!

 

[Oldman]

Lance was a 4 on the UCI list. That must mean he is in the "reminder for late payment zone" for their equipment donations. Popo is seriously delinquent for Pat's stipend...or is Popo included in Hein's franchise rights? I'm sure he didn't transfer all interests to Pat without a residual rider for at least some percentage.

 

[D-Queued]

Lance was a 4 on the UCI list. That must mean he is in the "reminder for late payment zone" for their equipment donations. Popo is seriously delinquent for Pat's stipend...or is Popo included in Hein's franchise rights? I'm sure he didn't transfer all interests to Pat without a residual rider for at least some percentage.

+1

Dave.

 

[lean mean &green]

You stated that USPS was in bad shape because the govt. imposed regulations on them that would not allow them to raise prices. That is exactly what you wrote.

nope. i merely explained why the short term numbers can be misleading. you need to evaluate the USPS on a longer timeline to get a clear picture as there are sometimes years between postage increases. the comparison to one or two profitable quarters for fedex following their own price increase (did you even read the linked article?) was an obviously unfair one. nowhere did i say they should more than triple the cost of first class mail - it is YOU who is not fighting fair by cherry picking my post and by using gross exaggerations.

I call BS....

well that's it. you called BS - you win!

it is alot more complicated than that and plus your understanding of unregulated supply side economics is upside down. If you want to get down in the dirt and discuss capitalism I'm more than happy to, but lay off the ad-hominems and don't expect me to ignore your confused takes.

more complicated?!?!? no sh!t sherlock, that's my whole point and why i clearly labeled it the "short short version".

i'm done with this and i apologize to the rest of the forum for my part in a slight derailment.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Lance was a 4 on the UCI list. That must mean he is in the "reminder for late payment zone" for their equipment donations. Popo is seriously delinquent for Pat's stipend...or is Popo included in Hein's franchise rights? I'm sure he didn't transfer all interests to Pat without a residual rider for at least some percentage.

-2

So that makes it -1 as your result.
Can't agree and it sounds desperate and constructed to suit well.
I guess you have to find an other way to come over Lance "only" getting a 4.
What a dissapointment for the clinic. It's feelable.
They wanted a 10, but can live with any other number.

Anyway, you'll always find a way to satisfy and agree each other.
From 0-10, doesn't matter. Haters know the truth and fumble each other anyway.

Sorry for using words and sentences. Only posting "-2" looks too cute somehow.




Cobblestoned.
__________________

D-cute says he will cooperate with cobblestoned Investigation

"I've done too many good things for too many people"

 

[Anonymous]

-2

So that makes it -1 as your result.
Can't agree and it sounds desperate and constructed to suit well.
I guess you have to find an other way to come over Lance "only" getting a 4.
What a dissapointment for the clinic. It's feelable.
They wanted a 10, but can live with any other number.

Anyway, you'll always find a way to satisfy and agree each other.
From 0-10, doesn't matter. Haters know the truth and fumble each other anyway.

Sorry for using words and sentences. Only posting "-2" looks too cute somehow.




Cobblestoned.
__________________

D-cute says he will cooperate with cobblestoned Investigation

"I've done too many good things for too many people"

You are joking, right? It is so hard to tell sometimes. No, I think ANYONE who watched the race last year knows that The Uniballer was terrified to charge too much...and his results showed that more clearly than ANYTHING lol. I mean, he couldn't see the back of what was left of the front group on the climbs last year...which is a SHARP contrast from the year before...and every other year he doped his way to the podium.

No, I don't think anyone was surprised he was where he was. He knew he was being targeted, because before the whole rodeo kicked off, HE WAS TOLD HE WAS.

You silly revisionist apologists and your silly SSDD lol stuff. Dang.

 

[Polish]

You silly revisionist apologists and your silly SSDD lol stuff. Dang.

"Lance will not start the Tour"
He did
"Lance will not make it into France"
He did
"Lance will not finish the Tour"
He did
"WaaWaa, how can Lance look at himself in the mirror waawaa"
He does
"But Lance is the biggest doper in the history of the sport"
Not even in the top 100. Probably not in the top 500 lol.

Lance raced 13 TdF's.
More than any other multiple Tour winner.

Lance finished a Tour at 37 years old.
Older than any other multiple Tour winner.

2010 was an excellent bookend on an awesome TdF legacy.
Don't even get me started on his other palamares.

 

[red_flanders]

Don't even get me started on his other palamares.

Okay, I'll say it.

He has other palmares?

 

[Polish]

Okay, I'll say it.

He has other palmares?

I think so

 

[Anonymous]

"Lance will not start the Tour"
He did
"Lance will not make it into France"
He did
"Lance will not finish the Tour"
He did
"WaaWaa, how can Lance look at himself in the mirror waawaa"
He does
"But Lance is the biggest doper in the history of the sport"
Not even in the top 100. Probably not in the top 500 lol.

Lance raced 13 TdF's.
More than any other multiple Tour winner.

Lance finished a Tour at 37 years old.
Older than any other multiple Tour winner.

2010 was an excellent bookend on an awesome TdF legacy.
Don't even get me started on his other palamares.

Wow, you'd think the guy you described is worthy of admiration lol. Someone like that shouldn't also have scammed people out of money that could have gone to better run cancer charities so that he could then use cancer and people dying of cancer to cover for his doping lol. But, some people try to hook up with people on death row, so there is no accounting for taste lol.

 

[tockit]

i explained as simply as i could why a few billion shortfall might not be a reason to panic for an entity with 70 billion in annual operating costs and a unique inability to adjust their own prices in the short term.

Both your points are flawed. General Motors had annual operating costs of over 30 billion when they went bankrupt. Operating cost is irrelevent without factoring in income.

And for a company with 'a unique inability to adjust their own prices' as you put it, it's funny that stamp prices have increased 8 times (10 cents) since 2001. That's an average of 1 cent per year. Seems to me like they're pretty 'able' to get price adjustments when they need them.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Okay, I'll say it.

He has other palmares?

Other as being Plural? Not singular to the TDF? Sure he does. WoW.....ummmmm you do know about the World Championship and ummmmmm the 2nds etc...in the Amstel correct? Palmares being Results correct? Ummmmmmmmmmm stage wins in the TDF prior to GT? Ummmmmmmmmmm Vuelta ??? tour de little Dupont / cooors?

Hell call me stupid for thinking he raced in some other places other than the TDF...

 

[Anonymous]

But, some people try to hook up with people on death row, so there is no accounting for taste lol.

Perhaps I've had too much to drink (naw) but that right there is some funny ****.

 

[red_flanders]

Other as being Plural? Not singular to the TDF? Sure he does. WoW.....ummmmm you do know about the World Championship and ummmmmm the 2nds etc...in the Amstel correct? Palmares being Results correct? Ummmmmmmmmmm stage wins in the TDF prior to GT? Ummmmmmmmmmm Vuelta ??? tour de little Dupont / cooors?

Hell call me stupid for thinking he raced in some other places other than the TDF...

Lighten up Francis. Shoulda put a smiley on it. Always better to assume people aren't THAT ignorant I think.<smiley>

Can't in this response and quote you because you took all the smileys and there's apparently a 5-smiley limit. <smiley>

You do get he's got an incredibly limited palmares compared to the greats he's generally compared to, yes?

 

[pedaling squares]

Other as being Plural? Not singular to the TDF? Sure he does. WoW.....ummmmm you do know about the World Championship and ummmmmm the 2nds etc...in the Amstel correct? Palmares being Results correct? Ummmmmmmmmmm stage wins in the TDF prior to GT? Ummmmmmmmmmm Vuelta ??? tour de little Dupont / cooors?

Hell call me stupid for thinking he raced in some other places other than the TDF...

Glenn. Glenn!

Ya done forgot Leadville and Gila!

GLENN!

 

[lean mean &green]

Both your points are flawed. General Motors had annual operating costs of over 30 billion when they went bankrupt. Operating cost is irrelevent without factoring in income.

And for a company with 'a unique inability to adjust their own prices' as you put it, it's funny that stamp prices have increased 8 times (10 cents) since 2001. That's an average of 1 cent per year. Seems to me like they're pretty 'able' to get price adjustments when they need them.

haha, rate increases get rejected a lot more often then they're accepted. besides, how many companies have to even ask the govt before raising prices? the answer is only a select few that are heavily regulated monopolies like the USPS which kinda proves the point.

your original post on this issue was little more than an uninformed rant with buzzwords offered up as a radical fix for the 2nd largest employer in the US. the only support you offered for your position was a profitable quarter for fedex. i provided a simplified overview as to why your comparisons were unfair and there's little dispute over that. ie shortfalls for the USPS are inevitable and even somewhat planned making it necessary for them to be taken with a grain of salt. now in full backpedal we have to dig thru the details to find a contradiction that doesn't exist. i certainly could but don't care to argue out the intricacies of the USPS financials like the implications of declining mail volume, the bitter relationship and mudslinging b/t management and unions, the regulatory committee's finger pointing, their inability to wrestle business away from other delivery services to support the current size of their work force, the impact of volatile fuel costs, underfunded pensions, etc etc etc. this clearly isn't the place for it. start a thread in the cafe or whatever they call it and go nuts, i won't be checking in b/c i don't care that much.

 

[hughmoore]

"Lance will not start the Tour"
He did
"Lance will not make it into France"
He did
"Lance will not finish the Tour"
He did
"WaaWaa, how can Lance look at himself in the mirror waawaa"
He does
"But Lance is the biggest doper in the history of the sport"
Not even in the top 100. Probably not in the top 500 lol.

Lance raced 13 TdF's.
More than any other multiple Tour winner.

Lance finished a Tour at 37 years old.
Older than any other multiple Tour winner.

2010 was an excellent bookend on an awesome TdF legacy.
Don't even get me started on his other palamares.

+1

You forgot,

"There waiting to after the superbowl"
" There waiting until Sammy is finalised"


The latest delays are:

"There waiting for Bin Laden to be captured"
"There waiting for the first moon landing"
"There waiting for Trump to get some new hair"


Regards


Hugh

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

+1

You forgot,

"There waiting to after the superbowl"
" There waiting until Sammy is finalised"


The latest delays are:

"There waiting for Bin Laden to be captured"
"There waiting for the first moon landing"
"There waiting for Trump to get some new hair"


Regards


Hugh

Their, There, or They're?

Their is a possessive pronoun. It always describes a noun.

Note the spelling of their. It comes from the word they, so the e comes before the i.

There is an adverb meaning "that location." It is sometimes used with the verb to be as an idiom. It is spelled like here which means "this location."

They're is a contraction of they are. Note the spelling: The a from are is replaced by an apostrophe.

Examples: Their dog has fleas. (possessive of they)

I put the collar right there. (that location)

There are five prime numbers less than ten.
(with to be)

They're 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7. (contraction of they are)

 

[Berzin]

"Lance will not start the Tour."
He did.

Thanks to Dr. Ferrari.

"Lance will not make it into France."
He did.


"Lance will not finish the Tour."
He did.

All while being the absolute worst teammate in cycling history. Yes, even worse than Hinault was to Lemond.

"WaaWaa, how can Lance look at himself in the mirror waawaa."
He does.

Easy for an arrogant psychopath to do, which also explains your affinity for him.

"But Lance is the biggest doper in the history of the sport."
Not even in the top 100. Probably not in the top 500 lol.

Lance raced 13 TdF's.
More than any other multiple Tour winner.

If I were jacked up on HemAssist, testosterone, Hgh, blood transfusions and had the UCI in my back pocket, I too would have finished all those Tours.

Lance finished a Tour at 37 years old.
Older than any other multiple Tour winner.

Again, thanks to Dr. Ferarri and the help of a peloton that let Astana soft-pedal over the fewest mountain top finishes in recent Tour history.

2010 was an excellent bookend on an awesome TdF legacy.
Don't even get me started on his other palmares.

Hope Rides Again!!! What a disgrace that tour was for Armstrong when he stumbled all over France looking like a washed-up fool who didn't know when to quit.

And his legacy won't be as a TdF winner, but as the biggest fraud the sport has ever seen.

Enjoy marinating in the upcoming legal quagmire along with Armstrong. You two make perfect bedfellows.

 

[hughmoore]

Their, There, or They're?

Their is a possessive pronoun. It always describes a noun.

Note the spelling of their. It comes from the word they, so the e comes before the i.

There is an adverb meaning "that location." It is sometimes used with the verb to be as an idiom. It is spelled like here which means "this location."

They're is a contraction of they are. Note the spelling: The a from are is replaced by an apostrophe.

Examples: Their dog has fleas. (possessive of they)

I put the collar right there. (that location)

There are five prime numbers less than ten.
(with to be)

They're 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7. (contraction of they are)

Thanks I was laughing so hard at the haters when I posted I didnt check my spelling.

You forgot,

"There waiting to after the superbowl"
" There waiting until Sammy is finalised"


The latest delays are:

"They are waiting for Bin Laden to be captured"
"They are waiting for the first moon landing"
"They are waiting for Trump to get some new hair"

and another delay!

They are waiting for "Hope to Ride Again"


Regards


Hugh