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[Susan Westemeyer]

Source please?

Susan

 

[thehog]

Housewives of Boulder Haven Parchinski offering up a haven for Gunderson?

Tyler's ridiculous defence is often pinned on him alone. Tyler is not stupid and certainly not crazy like Floyd.

He's a smart man who could have made much better choices about the defence. It didn't help that his wife was "lent on" by Armstrong. Armstrong had a vested interest in Tyler denying and he made certain that Hamilton dug himself in deep enough he'd never get out and expose the sham.

Armstrong was also kind enough to make sure Haven never sang by putting her in a position whereby if she did Armstrong had something over her (the cheating).

Haven said she was a "sports marketer" for those years in Girona. She no longer claims any link to Mr. Hamilton or being the former partner of a cyclist.

The book will make interesting reading. More so now since the restaurant incident...

So sad.

 

[sniper]

To tie up a few anomalies in the story.

Tyler was on the patio when dining. The group he was with were almost finished their meals and had ordered dessert. Hamilton went to the bathroom and his path did not pass through the bar. At this time Armstrong was siting in the bar. Hamilton upon completing in the bathroom saw a friend in the bar area. Not knowing Armstrong was there Hamilton took a different path and by not returning to the patio area entered the bar area to greet the friend who had now waved to him. As he approached the friend a hand forcibly came across his chest and stopped his path. Armstrong then began the tirade to which Tyler first reaction was to say "sorry" meaning he didn't want things to end like this. Armstrong went on in full view of his drinking party and the friend of Tyler. Tyler requested that this be taken outside as the situation was getting heated and Lance should calm down. Armstrong continued mainly with the line "I'll tear you apart, my legal team is extensive, large and will make a mockery of you". Eventually Tyler extracted himself from the conversation turned around left the bar and went back out to the patio. Hamilton and his party were then asked to finish their dessert and leave. The group was upset with the bill and the treatment and thought not to leave a tip. As they left they were chased down and one of the group wanting to diffuse the situation left a nominal tip.

vague story, Hog.

So if Tyler hadn't unexpectedly picked the different route, nothing would have happened?

Also, Tyler knows LA has an extensive legal team. In fact, the whole world knows. Seems unlikely to me that LA would have chosen those words.

 

[thehog]

Source please?

Susan

????? Not everything has a ink. And if you hear something by conversation you can't provide that as a source.

None the less everything I've written appears in several articles. I'm clearing up that Hamilton would not have seen Lance from walking out of the bathroom. Its because he entered the bar area to greet his friend. The friend saw everything and has gone on record saying as such.

Someone needs to draw a mock-up of the restaurant. Patio, to bathroom, to bar, dining area.
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On Saturday night, Hamilton went to dinner with friends at Cache Cache, unaware that Armstrong is a frequent patron there, Manderson said. Hamilton told Manderson he was walking through the crowded bar area on his way back from the men's room when he spotted a woman he knew and approached her, only to feel Armstrong's hand on his chest stopping him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=6658817&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

 

[thehog]

LA was lurking somewhere in the restaurant, watching and waiting... When he saw an opportunity to position himself in TH's path he took it.

The patio area where Hamilton is visible from the bar. There were a lot of people there that night so he may not have been able to see out onto the patio.

 

[thehog]

This story made me

http://cachecache.supertour.com/#p=314720&y=175.14679&pi=0

The virtual tour on the website you can clearly see cameras in the bar area on the roof. (Thanks Velocentric). They don't look for show. They are 360 degree cameras. All restaurants have them in the bar area. Protects against staff pinching your cash from the tills!

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

????? Not everything has a ink. And if you hear something by conversation you can't provide that as a source.

I didn't say link, I said source. Being told something by someone who witnessed it, for example, is a source.

If you don't give any indication at all as to where you have it from, it leads one to think that it was invented.

Susan

 

[theswordsman]

When the story first came out, I took Tyler's suggestion that they go outside at face value. Once I read that his dinner party was out on the patio, it made an awful lot of sense, especially if Lance had already started ripping into him. It would have been good to have friendly witnesses who might step up and intervene, maybe even get photos or videos on their phones. Since Lance knew in advance that Tyler was there, and that he had friends outside, it also makes (evil) sense that he'd keep the home field advantage with a protective layer of minions.

 

[Cobblestoned]

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[Cobblestoned]

If you read through the thread, and take the time to PM a mod, you will find that they do quite a bit of research before they permanently ban someone. IP research, etc.



Also, the explanation states that he was a "returning" troll. If he was banned before for trolling, then the user name he used before could not be re-used. If he created a new user name to circumvent the previous ban, then that is a sockpuppet account.

Wikipedia - Sockpuppet

That sounds all so good, and just....optimistic.
I guess you also believe in god and everyone who smiles to you.

Problem is somewhere else, too. Still waiting for a hater beeing lifetime-banned and using a sockpuppet.

 

[Barrus]

That sounds all so good, and just....optimistic.
I guess you also believe in god and everyone who smiles to you.

Problem is somewhere else, too. Still waiting for a hater beeing lifetime-banned and using a sockpuppet.

Buckwheat?

 

[BillytheKid]

When the story first came out, I took Tyler's suggestion that they go outside at face value. Once I read that his dinner party was out on the patio, it made an awful lot of sense, especially if Lance had already started ripping into him. It would have been good to have friendly witnesses who might step up and intervene, maybe even get photos or videos on their phones. Since Lance knew in advance that Tyler was there, and that he had friends outside, it also makes (evil) sense that he'd keep the home field advantage with a protective layer of minions.

So let me get this straight. LA rides a 100-mile fundraiser in Franklin, TN. Flies back to Aspen the same day just to hunt down TH at a favourite restaurant of his? A reporter and editors from Outside at a eatery next door. Do you think they might have had a view of the patio. How could Armstrong "keep the home field advantage?" LA must be some kind of evil wizard if he had the power to force TH and crew (spell bound) to his turf.

The truth is TH and his friends from Outside look to be the ones seeking out Armstrong in this case. Outside reporter Abe Streep never mentions if he was "working" during this foray into Armstrong country. I worked almost 20 years as a journalist. I find it hard to believe the Streep and Outside where not their for a reason. We will see if Outside gets a cover story out of this one.

One of the reasons I left the trade is that too many, but not all, reporters and some editors where approuching stories as already written and seeking quotes and events that already fit their narrative. Journalist do poke around. They have to. I will always look on this one though as suspicious. I doubt they didn't know that the Cache Cache was not a LA hang out. Reporters live and die by tips and information that lead to a story. There is nothing wrong with this, unless your using information to create a story. I doubt we will ever know the full part Outside and Streep played in this affair. Where they looking to place TH in the way of LA?

None of us where there. The exact events reported should not be taken as fact until something more concrete comes up.

 

[jackwolf]

When the story first came out, I took Tyler's suggestion that they go outside at face value. Once I read that his dinner party was out on the patio, it made an awful lot of sense, especially if Lance had already started ripping into him. It would have been good to have friendly witnesses who might step up and intervene, maybe even get photos or videos on their phones. Since Lance knew in advance that Tyler was there, and that he had friends outside, it also makes (evil) sense that he'd keep the home field advantage with a protective layer of minions.

It also makes perfect sense for the camera to be non-functional, as otherwise we would immediately have a good set of witnesses who couldn't deny being there and who could possibly be subpoenaed. It seems Jodi Larner is in very big trouble (we all agree there will be at least evidence of the deleting/overwriting/formatting, right?), but Armstrong has probably gained a lot if the footage is never recovered. It doesn't mean it's looking good for him, though. I'm now fairly confident we have crossed the critical point and there's no way back. After so many years of getting away with so much s*** he probably thought he was made of Kryptonite.

 

[cat6cx]

The truth is TH and his friends from Outside look to be the ones seeking out Armstrong in this case. Outside reporter Abe Streep never mentions if he was "working" during this foray into Armstrong country. I worked almost 20 years as a journalist. I find it hard to believe the Streep and Outside where not their for a reason. We will see if Outside gets a cover story out of this one.

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So those crafty journalists knew LA would fly back to Aspen after a charity ride in TN just so he could make it to dinner at cash cash?

Your conclusions seem improbable. We already know that Lance knew Tyler was there before LA went into the bar. The owner has stated that. Looking at the evidence so far it seems more likely LA was seeking the confrontation.

 

[thirteen]

It also makes perfect sense for the camera to be non-functional, as otherwise we would immediately have a good set of witnesses who couldn't deny being there and who could possibly be subpoenaed. It seems Jodi Larner is in very big trouble (we all agree there will be at least evidence of the deleting/overwriting/formatting, right?), but Armstrong has probably gained a lot if the footage is never recovered. It doesn't mean it's looking good for him, though. I'm now fairly confident we have crossed the critical point and there's no way back. After so many years of getting away with so much s*** he probably thought he was made of Kryptonite.

i've not seen any proof that there was tampering with the cameras and/or hard drives.

is this truly a fact? or just mass clinic speculation?

 

[dbrower]

Just speculation about erasure.

 

[Cerberus]

i've not seen any proof that there was tampering with the cameras and/or hard drives.

is this truly a fact? or just mass clinic speculation?

I asked something similar a couple of pages back, but didn't get an answer. I'm pretty sure it is the latter, since if it was a fact, you'd think it would have been reported by the actual media and linked to somewhere in thread.

 

[BillytheKid]

So those crafty journalists knew LA would fly back to Aspen after a charity ride in TN just so he could make it to dinner at cash cash?

Your conclusions seem improbable. We already know that Lance knew Tyler was there before LA went into the bar. The owner has stated that. Looking at the evidence so far it seems more likely LA was seeking the confrontation.

Entirely possible. Journalists call their spies sources. A difference in name only. An example would be the fact that flight plans have to be filed in advance...

Pre 911, we would monitor air traffic control using what is commonly known as a "police scanner." This in case of a problem flight. I don't know if these frequencies are as open as they use to be, but all you really have to have is the # of his jet or a spook at the airport.

Just because TH was there in advance means nothing if LA was know to pay almost daily vistis.

I not saying this was or is the case, but yes entirely possible. Info can from any where.

And yes journalists are crafty, very much so.

 

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[Cobblestoned]

i've not seen any proof that there was tampering with the cameras and/or hard drives.

is this truly a fact? or just mass clinic speculation?

Proven by the clinic of course. Like everything that is anti-Lance and pro-Tyler.
Same goes for evil Lance's travelplan, timeline and treatment of poor poor Tyler and his great idea. But I guess it wasn't Tylers plan.
He was influenced by some cool friends, journos and perhaps trapped in the situation.
I guess those guys had much fun.

Anyway, most cams are just Attrappen and I think that in that part of US, they still use VHS tapes. lol
Not everything that shines is golden.

 

[thirteen]

Just speculation about erasure.

I asked something similar a couple of pages back, but didn't get an answer. I'm pretty sure it is the latter, since if it was a fact, you'd think it would have been reported by the actual media and linked to somewhere in thread.

Proven by the clinic of course. Like everything that is anti-Lance and pro-Tyler.

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Anyway, most cams are just Attrappen and I think that in that part of US, they still use VHS tapes. lol
Not everything that shines is golden.

thank you. i thought so... so many things are treated like facts here, that sometimes you have to ask. (and, sometimes, multiple times )

Cobblestoned, i agree. i think a lot of cams are there merely for show... they may have worked at one time, but many can't be fussed to fix them.

 

[BillytheKid]

Proven by the clinic of course. Like everything that is anti-Lance and pro-Tyler.
Same goes for evil Lance's travelplan, timeline and treatment of poor poor Tyler and his great idea. But I guess it wasn't Tylers plan.
He was influenced by some cool friends, journos and perhaps trapped in the situation.
I guess those guys had much fun.

Anyway, most cams are just Attrappen and I think that in that part of US, they still use VHS tapes. lol
Not everything that shines is golden.

Aspen is about as upscale as you can get in the U.S. Haven for the wealthy. Quit guessing about a place you never been.

 

[cat6cx]

Entirely possible. Journalists call their spies sources. A difference in name only. An example would be the fact that flight plans have to be filed in advance...

Pre 911, we would monitor air traffic control using what is commonly known as a "police scanner." This in case of a problem flight. I don't know if these frequencies are as open as they use to be, but all you really have to have is the # of his jet or a spook at the airport.

Just because TH was there in advance means nothing if LA was know to pay almost daily vistis.

I not saying this was or is the case, but yes entirely possible. Info can from any where.

And yes journalists are crafty, very much so.

So I think we are in agreement. It is possible that TH knew in advance (use of scanner technology), but it is highly, highly improbable.

Thanks.

I assume you believe in miracles?

 

[frenchfry]

Aspen is about as upscale as you can get in the U.S. Haven for the wealthy. Quit guessing about a place you never been.

Haven was there too? Wish I had of been there to see that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So let me get this straight. LA rides a 100-mile fundraiser in Franklin, TN. Flies back to Aspen the same day just to hunt down TH at a favourite restaurant of his? A reporter and editors from Outside at a eatery next door. Do you think they might have had a view of the patio. How could Armstrong "keep the home field advantage?" LA must be some kind of evil wizard if he had the power to force TH and crew (spell bound) to his turf.

The truth is TH and his friends from Outside look to be the ones seeking out Armstrong in this case. Outside reporter Abe Streep never mentions if he was "working" during this foray into Armstrong country. I worked almost 20 years as a journalist. I find it hard to believe the Streep and Outside where not their for a reason. We will see if Outside gets a cover story out of this one.

One of the reasons I left the trade is that too many, but not all, reporters and some editors where approuching stories as already written and seeking quotes and events that already fit their narrative. Journalist do poke around. They have to. I will always look on this one though as suspicious. I doubt they didn't know that the Cache Cache was not a LA hang out. Reporters live and die by tips and information that lead to a story. There is nothing wrong with this, unless your using information to create a story. I doubt we will ever know the full part Outside and Streep played in this affair. Where they looking to place TH in the way of LA?

None of us where there. The exact events reported should not be taken as fact until something more concrete comes up.

So after Outside have gone to all the trouble of stalking out LA and predicting his return and that he was going to be sitting at the bar at the exact time Tyler felt 'the urge' they then miss it completely by sitting at the patio enjoying dessert?