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[Cimacoppi49]

You really think that a current pro cyclist is going to run around and tell, after 17 years of silence, that he does/did PEDS and also ratted out Lance. Doesn't seem likely.

More likely that someone in the investigation, or GJ talked either to CBS, or to someone else that told CBS.

Assuming that George was granted immunity for his grand jury testimony, there is no reason for him to maintain his silence with friends. He is also not dependent on Armstrong for his livelihood anymore.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You really think that a current pro cyclist is going to run around and tell, after 17 years of silence, that he does/did PEDS and also ratted out Lance. Doesn't seem likely.

More likely that someone in the investigation, or GJ talked either to CBS, or to someone else that told CBS.

Do you really think George is going to continue the lie and risk going to jail for Armstrong?
What happens when he speaks to people close to him? "What did you say?", "I told the truth".

If it was someone in the GJ or close to the investigation they would have been able to add a lot more detail to exactly GH said.

W/r to the Hincapie confession I would hope that 60 minutes would not bother to report that if it were 3rd-hand info...it must be quite credible. They would not go down over that...

On another track, after yesterday's stage we saw Lance's elusive black-draped form moving around in the crowd...and presumably that was his blond girlfriend that the cam briefly focused on. Does anyone know if he actually spoke to Big George or if the two were on jubilant and congratulatory terms?? ...just curious as the players were there ....George, Lance , Levi..

Remember Georges comments when this news came out? Not much of a denial there.

 

[Polish]

Do you really think George is going to continue the lie and risk going to jail for Armstrong?
What happens when he speaks to people close to him? "What did you say?", "I told the truth".

If it was someone in the GJ or close to the investigation they would have been able to add a lot more detail to exactly GH said.

Remember Georges comments when this news came out? Not much of a denial there.

Agree that George would not lie.

And I would think that George told Lance what he said during the GJ session.
Thats ok right?
I think they are still friends.

And if George tells Lance that he did not talk to 60Minutes, it would be natural for Lance to question "who did?".

Nothing wrong with Lance wanting to get to the bottom of the Witch Hunt Smear Campaign.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Agree that George would not lie.

And I would think that George told Lance what he said during the GJ session.
Thats ok right?
I think they are still friends.

And if George tells Lance that he did not talk to 60Minutes, it would be natural for Lance to question "who did?".

Nothing wrong with Lance wanting to get to the bottom of the Witch Hunt Smear Campaign.

Ah yes but Lance (or more accurately his legal team) didn't just ask "who did" - they have accused the Feds of being the one's to leak information.

 

[Polish]

Ah yes but Lance (or more accurately his legal team) didn't just ask "who did" - they have accused the Feds of being the one's to leak information.

Yes, Lance is concerned about the illegal leaks and smears.

The motion was NOT aimed at the witnessess or their friends and families.
They are allowed to discuss their testimony.
Lance and his lawyers know that duh.

Yes, Lance has accused the FEDs of leaking and smearing.
THAT is the motion set before the Judge.
I think the motion even mentioned some of the FEDs by name.

 

[Cal_Joe]

This is fascinating! Arguments about whose speculations are superior!

Reminds me of that quote - "Fighting over religion is like fighting over whose imaginary friend is best."

But of course, nobody here is a fanatic adherent to any particular viewpoint, so any comparison to religion is obviously invalid.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

This is fascinating! Arguments about whose speculations are superior!

Reminds me of that quote - "Fighting over religion is like fighting over whose imaginary friend is best."

But of course, nobody here is a fanatic adherent to any particular viewpoint, so any comparison to religion is obviously invalid.

No - the argument was not whose 'speculation' is 'superior' - it is which speculation may be more accurate.

I was going to suggest that someone as superior as yourself would not get involved in such frivolous activity but then I remembered this post from you:

Actually, in a legal sense, it may very well be. For further reading -

http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/206584.htm#IIA4

See the part about "Obligation on Government attorneys and support staff"

Don't know if there is a better link, but the source appears credible.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Do you really think George is going to continue the lie and risk going to jail for Armstrong?
What happens when he speaks to people close to him? "What did you say?", "I told the truth".

If it was someone in the GJ or close to the investigation they would have been able to add a lot more detail to exactly GH said.




Remember Georges comments when this news came out? Not much of a denial there.

Yes, I do remember that.
And part of my exhilaration at the whole mess being announced to the public was that my first thought was "that is NOT a denial but a carefully worded comment."

 

[Polish]

This is fascinating! Arguments about whose speculations are superior!

Reminds me of that quote - "Fighting over religion is like fighting over whose imaginary friend is best."

But of course, nobody here is a fanatic adherent to any particular viewpoint, so any comparison to religion is obviously invalid.

Yes, comparision to religion is obviously invalid.

Theologians and Philosophers do not care about cycling lol.
They are futballers gooooooooooooaaaal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2kAnTZBnTg

 

[fatandfast]

Do you really think George is going to continue the lie and risk going to jail for Armstrong?
What happens when he speaks to people close to him? "What did you say?", "I told the truth".

If it was someone in the GJ or close to the investigation they would have been able to add a lot more detail to exactly GH said.




Remember Georges comments when this news came out? Not much of a denial there.

Do you really think that anybody who's job involves living in 4 or 5 countries
and travels in trains,planes and automobiles w guys that are there because the regular guy has a boil or broken collarbone can't forget detail on every level?
Hindcapie's lawyer would have advised him to tell what he remembers exactly which is nothing. Who was on the bus? from the driver to the passengers,nobody can remember this stuff. Did you see Lance get an injection..yes.what was the substance or exp date? How many mils? Was it b12? all things that there can never be an accurate answer to 10 years after you saw it. Did George say things he is unsure of ? probably but who wouldn't be uneasy after a decade and now something that Flandis said is being researched to the highest level.
Is Landis in Colorado? Isn't he needed for every pro event? I hope the race car people can keep this dribble wet until France or the UCI can garnish any money he will ever earn..Lance just confess to something so Landis' rep can burn in a pile of his books

 

[MarkvW]

Yes, Lance is concerned about the illegal leaks and smears.

The motion was NOT aimed at the witnessess or their friends and families.
They are allowed to discuss their testimony.
Lance and his lawyers know that duh.

Yes, Lance has accused the FEDs of leaking and smearing.
THAT is the motion set before the Judge.
I think the motion even mentioned some of the FEDs by name.

Lance is probing for information like he probed Jan Ullrich on Alpe d'Huez.

 

[Random Direction]

b.s.

I can remember almost every detail from my racing days 20 years ago, particularly the naughty stuff that happened in the hotels or en-route.

 

[elizab]

John Goodman and Roseanne Barr.


You guessed it.
Greg and Betsy.
BraHa.
BraHaHa.
Just kidding, just kidding yikes

You are so off. She's way thinner than me and much quieter too.
Try again,
lol
ha ha ha
hee hee hee
lol

 

[thehog]

Love it. The fanboy blood is at boiling point. Go you good thing. Can you handle the heat! I'm lovin it!

Do you really think that anybody who's job involves living in 4 or 5 countries
and travels in trains,planes and automobiles w guys that are there because the regular guy has a boil or broken collarbone can't forget detail on every level?
Hindcapie's lawyer would have advised him to tell what he remembers exactly which is nothing. Who was on the bus? from the driver to the passengers,nobody can remember this stuff. Did you see Lance get an injection..yes.what was the substance or exp date? How many mils? Was it b12? all things that there can never be an accurate answer to 10 years after you saw it. Did George say things he is unsure of ? probably but who wouldn't be uneasy after a decade and now something that Flandis said is being researched to the highest level.
Is Landis in Colorado? Isn't he needed for every pro event? I hope the race car people can keep this dribble wet until France or the UCI can garnish any money he will ever earn..Lance just confess to something so Landis' rep can burn in a pile of his books

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Love it. The fanboy blood is at boiling point. Go you good thing. Can you handle the heat! I'm lovin it!

YOU can not use that or else I will turn you into McDonalds for using a TM statement. Laugh if you want but that is some serious stuff. (just joking with yah)............ Almost as serious as watching you asshats try to get Polish provide quotes and proof for a message board post when the same members can spew forth trash from their collective pie-holes. Good luck with the McDonalds litigation .....

 

[Semper Fidelis]

b.s.

I can remember almost every detail from my racing days 20 years ago, particularly the naughty stuff that happened in the hotels or en-route.

that is pure Random speculation!

 

[Velodude]

Do you really think that anybody who's job involves living in 4 or 5 countries
and travels in trains,planes and automobiles w guys that are there because the regular guy has a boil or broken collarbone can't forget detail on every level?
Hindcapie's lawyer would have advised him to tell what he remembers exactly which is nothing. Who was on the bus? from the driver to the passengers,nobody can remember this stuff. Did you see Lance get an injection..yes.what was the substance or exp date? How many mils? Was it b12? all things that there can never be an accurate answer to 10 years after you saw it. Did George say things he is unsure of ? probably but who wouldn't be uneasy after a decade and now something that Flandis said is being researched to the highest level.
Is Landis in Colorado? Isn't he needed for every pro event? I hope the race car people can keep this dribble wet until France or the UCI can garnish any money he will ever earn..Lance just confess to something so Landis' rep can burn in a pile of his books

The Feds do not have to prove that Armstrong doped to secure a RICO conviction against him.

All that is required is proof that the US Postal team participated in drug taking in the years 2002-2004 in breach of the non doping clause in the sponsorship contract between Tailwind Sports and USPS.

Under RICO persons who were in control of Tailwind Sports or conducted themselves in a manner of directorial authority are exposed to a RICO indictment.

Armstrong was a director of Tailwind Sports.

As per SCA Tribunal deposition Armstrong admitted to having a shareholding in Tailwind Sports (since recanted).

However, a corporation in which he holds shares, Capital Sports & Entertainment, held 50% of the interest in the US Postal team (Armstrong claims only in 2004).

Armstrong conducted himself as a control freak and was seen by all as the major team administrative decision maker. In 1998 he personally engaged the DS services of Johann Bruyneel for the team.

Hence, Armstrong attemptedto falsely distance himself from ownership and control of the team when the Landis allegations were first aired in 2010.

It wasn't my company," Armstrong was quoted as saying. "I can't make it clear enough to you. I don't know. I didn't know the company. I didn't have a position. I didn't have an equity stake. I didn't have a profit stake. I didn't have a seat on the board. I was a rider on the team. I can't be any clearer than that."

Just evidence from riders that the team supplied the drugs and the team gave the drug participation directions will be sufficient. Precise recall of times, dates and events is not that relevant. You can expect the Feds have identified and documented the money laundering operations for amounts due to the team to set up the slush fund used to purchase the team drugs.

 

[Dallas_]

Thanks

A defendant in Federal court can waive the indictment if done in open court on the record. The case then proceeds on a information. All capital charges and those that can result in more than a year in prison must be brought by indictment if not waived. That said, many states allow felonies to be charged by information followed by a preliminary hearing to determine whether there is enough evidence to bind the defendant over for trial this being derived from common law.

However, if the government proceeds on a felony by information, there is a requirement for a preliminary hearing set out in FRCP 5.1 (a) This is generally why Federal felonies are usually brought by indictment. The problem arises because since Erie, there is no Federal common law.

Cimacoppi49, I really look forward to reading your posts. Your Legal Eagle input is much appreciated.

cheers
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[roadfreak44]

Cimacoppi49, I really look forward to reading your posts. Your Legal Eagle input is much appreciated.

cheers
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in regards to legality I must admit if speculation and testimony from self serving sociopaths aka loudest landis and and mom loving tyler humpleton were money
all of you would be billionaires ...it must be disturbing to all howling hyenas everywhere that speculation no matter how often ,viciously or vociferously repeated
in the legal system doesnt equal facts and that my friends is at the bedrock of our legal system.
this is from soemone who is not particularly fond of the unuballer but looks at the endless whining emotional tenor of all these posts and is amused that so far other than the unproven allegations of two self serving people who want a book deal there isnt any evidence . well flioyd has signed on for federal money not actually a book deal and that IS a fact. No conflict of interest or ulterior motives there right? NOpe just a good natured cyclist who was unfairly abused and taken advantage of ...mmm huh..
that funny little thing (evidence) is necessary to convict anyone. so far some people take pretty boys words as fact. sadly though for witch hunters everywhere , allegation is something different from facts and he alleges things. oddly enough to protect himself floyd engaged the services of two attorneys whose retainer is in the six figure range.
How could floyd pay for such legal power costing 250K when hes admitted that hes broke? someone else is covering the ante. whose attorneys were these fine fellows before signing on with old old honest floyd? Why they worked for that fine fellow GReg Lemond. That is a fact but maybe just a conicidence?
Now then lookign at the FACTS who does lemond HATE?
Lemond had 70,000 pages of documents he turned over to the feds. A little excessively obsessive methinks. Isnt paying for someone else to lie
to federal investigators a crime as well? Now my legally challenged friends that is speculation but pretty much in line with the wonderful examples of inductive reasoning and dim intelligence expressed we see so often on here .
It is probably not a coincidence that floyd and lemond made up just before that. what are the legal issues of this speculation? i do know it is illegal to conspire to defame someone and pay for others legal counsel so they can hyde behind a shield. I beleive that is a conspiracy charge.
it is amazing to me the petty ugliness of human spirit that is so often displayed here such as the recent barrrGE BY GOOSE McCHUCKLES. the forum in general reminds me of a village in massachusetts ...was it salem?

heres the latest...levi won by 58 hundredths of a second over christian vandevelde. That PROVES levi must be doping. wait, if he beat him by less than a second and is doping then vandevelde must be doping also . garmin cervleo has been thought of as a clean team but this proves they are doping right?. levi didnt win becuase he has ridden ten tours ? and is incredibly experienced and savvy ...no it isnt experience and millions of miles of racing and insght, nope just dope..hmmm theres a lot of dope(s) on this site...

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>

i have a ton of yella bands and i believe they protect me from cancer...

<snip>

after live$trong there is still the moonies, $cientology, christianity and others all looking for guys like you....

 

[spetsa]

in regards to legality I must admit if speculation and testimony from self serving sociopaths aka loudest landis and and mom loving tyler humpleton were money
all of you would be billionaires...blah, blah, blah... levi didnt win becuase he has ridden ten tours ? and is incredibly experienced and savvy ...no it isnt experience and millions of miles of racing and insght, nope just dope..hmmm theres a lot of dope(s) on this site...

Thanks for chiming in...no go back to reading it's not about the bike for the umpteenth time.

 

[Cobblestoned]

You are so off. She's way thinner than me and much quieter too.
Try again,
lol
ha ha ha
hee hee hee
lol

Liz, you are not doing yourselfs a favour posting around here. Just telling.

btw, did Gollum-Seppelt behave in your place ? Did he slobber during the interview ?

 

[thehog]

Liz, you are not doing yourselfs a favour posting around here. Just telling.

btw, did Gollum-Seppelt behave in your place ? Did he slobber during the interview ?

Just saying. Not just telling. English. Speak English. Makes you look stupid.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Just saying. Not just telling. English. Speak English. Makes you look stupid.

But hoggie, aka Nostradamus's favorite piglet: In fact I AM stupid.
I thought this was clear by now.

Schpeaking Inglisch is so easy to learn - you just get sloppy after a while and forget to pay attention to the perfect and demanding style, which is usually practiced around here by those native Inglischschpeakers.

 

[Dallas_]

Novi's net

Why they worked for that fine fellow GReg Lemond. That is a fact

Agreed, there is plenty of speculation in the clinic, but let us move on.

There is a strong argument that WonderBoy committed perjury at his SCA deposition.

WSJ and SI did some fine investigative reporting. Another fact being they would have checked with their legal advisers before printing.

A subset of available information: WSJ, SI, Floyd, Tyler, Betsy, Frankie, Mike, SCA evidence, US Postal contract with the no PED clause.

You are welcome to put your money on WonderBoy escaping the Novitzky net. Good luck with that bet.

cheers
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