Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Dr. Maserati]

I am defending Armstrong now? Gosh, what do you want? A video of me reciting the Pledge of IHateAtmstrong? If you send me a large or extra large dopestrong bike jersey, I will wear it! Is that good enough?

I don't mind your hate. But it's not pragmatism when you insult people who don't demonstrate sufficient LanceHate® to suit your taste.

And hey, go ahead and fixate yourself on Armstrong's body parts, if you want. You're his fan in your own special way. After all, no publicity is bad publicity.

Yes.
As was noted - "But you are continuing to defend LA but try to, amateurishly, appear to be sitting on the fence".

When you continually single out a select group of posters and refer to them as haters, it shows your bias.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Yes.
As was noted - "But you are continuing to defend LA but try to, amateurishly, appear to be sitting on the fence".

When you continually single out a select group of posters and refer to them as haters, it shows your bias.

Like any of this and that really matters?

 

[Cobblestoned]

Rhetorical questions are not required to be answered

But you are continuing to defend LA but try to, amateurishly, appear to be sitting on the fence.

BTW, you consider that "attacks" on LA for his lack of "manliness" are shameful. Suggest you research into the meaning intent of "Juan Pelota", a name LA ascribes to himself as his triathlete alter ego.

The man himself can produce as many jokes as he wants about that issue.
Joking about his ball(s) 24/7
You - NOT !
It's the same with handicapped people. They use to joke about themselfes quiet often. Thats funny.
But if you do those jokes, it would just look....wait (inhale,exhale)....totally uncool.

Comprende ?

 

[MarkvW]

I am defending Armstrong now? Gosh, what do you want? A video of me reciting the Pledge of IHateAtmstrong? If you send me a large or extra large dopestrong bike jersey, I will wear it! Is that good enough?

I don't mind your hate. But it's not pragmatism when you insult people who don't demonstrate sufficient LanceHate® to suit your taste.

And hey, go ahead and fixate yourself on Armstrong's body parts, if you want. You're his fan in your own special way. After all, no publicity is bad publicity.

Yes.
As was noted - "But you are continuing to defend LA but try to, amateurishly, appear to be sitting on the fence".

When you continually single out a select group of posters and refer to them as haters, it shows your bias.

I'm not sitting on a fence! Armstrong's a scum doper, no better than any of the zillion other scum doper cheats in the pro peloton. He was just lucky enough to have Ferrari and a genetically freaky body that was better adapted to cheating than the rest of the doped up pro peloton. The idea that Lance cheated a clean competitor out of a Tour victory is ridiculous. Only a doper was going to ever win the Tour in the EPO years.

The thought of Lance being stripped of his Tour victories is ridiculous! Only a hater would embrace it. If Armstrong gets stripped, then GDR-trained son of Rudy gets the victory? Basso? Kloeden? Hah. That's nothing but a sick joke on everybody.

But as to Lance's body parts and the abuse of fanboys, my distaste for Armstrong doesn't extend that far.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not sitting on a fence! Armstrong's a scum doper, no better than any of the zillion other scum doper cheats in the pro peloton. He was just lucky enough to have Ferrari and a genetically freaky body that was better adapted to cheating than the rest of the doped up pro peloton.

Sounds good so far..........

The idea that Lance cheated a clean competitor out of a Tour victory is ridiculous. Only a doper was going to ever win the Tour in the EPO years.

The thought of Lance being stripped of his Tour victories is ridiculous! Only a hater would embrace it. If Armstrong gets stripped, then GDR-trained son of Rudy gets the victory? Basso? Kloeden? Hah. That's nothing but a sick joke on everybody.

and now your back comfortably on the fence.

As someone who likes their legalize I would have assumed you would want to see those who are caught punished?

But as to Lance's body parts and the abuse of fanboys, my distaste for Armstrong doesn't extend that far.

Psst, you meant 'fanboys & haters'.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Cimacoppi49: You could have made your point regards Polish without the name-calling. You might reconsider your earlier post where you disavowed "attack." Seems to me you are just engaging in another attack.

I have disavowed attack, but will still chide stupidity, especially disingenuous stupidity.

 

[Velodude]

The man himself can produce as many jokes as he wants about that issue.
Joking about his ball(s) 24/7
You - NOT !
It's the same with handicapped people. They use to joke about themselfes quiet often. Thats funny.
But if you do those jokes, it would just look....wait (inhale,exhale)....totally uncool.

Comprende ?

To support your criticism you, and the initiating MarkvW, must exemplify by directing the forum to a post where I have made such a reference prior to pointing out LA's self ridicule through Juan Pelota.

 

[MarkvW]

Sounds good so far..........


and now your back comfortably on the fence.

As someone who likes their legalize I would have assumed you would want to see those who are caught punished?


Psst, you meant 'fanboys & haters'.

I'm not on any fence. If Basso got a Tour victory, would that be justice?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I'm not sitting on a fence! Armstrong's a scum doper, no better than any of the zillion other scum doper cheats in the pro peloton. He was just lucky enough to have Ferrari and a genetically freaky body that was better adapted to cheating than the rest of the doped up pro peloton. The idea that Lance cheated a clean competitor out of a Tour victory is ridiculous. Only a doper was going to ever win the Tour in the EPO years.

The thought of Lance being stripped of his Tour victories is ridiculous! Only a hater would embrace it. If Armstrong gets stripped, then GDR-trained son of Rudy gets the victory? Basso? Kloeden? Hah. That's nothing but a sick joke on everybody.

But as to Lance's body parts and the abuse of fanboys, my distaste for Armstrong doesn't extend that far.

Justice cries out for him to be stripped of all his wins, if he is convicted in a criminal court, by trial or plea, for doping. It has nothing to do with hate.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not on any fence. If Basso got a Tour victory, would that be justice?

If LA is caught and Basso wasn't - then yes, that's how justice works.

 

[Velodude]

I'm not sitting on a fence! Armstrong's a scum doper, no better than any of the zillion other scum doper cheats in the pro peloton. He was just lucky enough to have Ferrari and a genetically freaky body that was better adapted to cheating than the rest of the doped up pro peloton. The idea that Lance cheated a clean competitor out of a Tour victory is ridiculous. Only a doper was going to ever win the Tour in the EPO years.

The thought of Lance being stripped of his Tour victories is ridiculous! Only a hater would embrace it. If Armstrong gets stripped, then GDR-trained son of Rudy gets the victory? Basso? Kloeden? Hah. That's nothing but a sick joke on everybody.

But as to Lance's body parts and the abuse of fanboys, my distaste for Armstrong doesn't extend that far.

But you previously unambiguously supported RaceRadio's opinion on the possible outcome from these prospective proceedings that LA would be stripped of his 2005 victory and 2009 podium (third place).

Now you waver back to a fall back level of support for LA after again conceding he doped but he should retain his ill gotten gains as he was the best doper amongst his doping peers.

We all know that genetic freakdom is an LA concocted myth.

 

[MarkvW]

Justice cries out for him to be stripped of all his wins, if he is convicted in a criminal court, by trial or plea, for doping. It has nothing to do with hate.

Nonsense. And you, as a lawyer, should know better. The eight year UCI limitation period is as much "justice" as the rule against PEDs. Unless, of course, justice means ignoring rules because of hate.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The thought of Lance being stripped of his Tour victories is ridiculous! Only a hater would embrace it. If Armstrong gets stripped, then GDR-trained son of Rudy gets the victory? Basso? Kloeden? Hah. That's nothing but a sick joke on everybody.

Watch the name calling. The answer is back test until there is a clean podium. The consequences of back testing are broad and current. Back testing would discourage doping because the tests are always years behind the PED technology.

Anti-doping program was never about actually having natural performances. It's pretty much about an anti-doping magic side show while the actors on the main stage (federation, promoter, Teams) get away with as much as possible. As long as the talent isn't dying, doping is actually okay.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Nonsense. And you, as a lawyer, should know better. The eight year UCI limitation period is as much "justice" as the rule against PEDs. Unless, of course, justice means ignoring rules because of hate.

Whats funny is you mentioned Basso earlier, a guy who remember only thought about doping - yet he served an almost 2 year suspension.

Why no outrage at that "injustice"?

 

[Cobblestoned]

To support your criticism you, and the initiating MarkvW, must exemplify by directing the forum to a post where I have made such a reference prior to pointing out LA's self ridicule through Juan Pelota.

Mark who ?
What about you pointing out where I stated that you did, dude ?
I would say that chance is high that most of the sad highlights in posting history regarding LA were outmoderated in this well moderated place. Wait...perfectly moderated place.

Not sure about some people's prison phantasies. Still discussed I guess.

Anyway, keep on with your good fight. Still a lot to do.
btw, whats the latest update by your very Armstrong-focused friends about the investigation ? How is it going ?

Last thing, IIRC, was that he wasn't allowed to leave US grounds because of the indictments ?
Well.....did he travel to Hawai on a watercarrier ? That would still be US grounds in international waters.
Thats it. USS Armstrong.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Nonsense. And you, as a lawyer, should know better. The eight year UCI limitation period is as much "justice" as the rule against PEDs. Unless, of course, justice means ignoring rules because of hate.

If the UCI is implicated in a cover-up, watch how quickly the CAS voids Tour titles at the request of WADA.

 

[MarkvW]

Justice cries out for him to be stripped of all his wins, if he is convicted in a criminal court, by trial or plea, for doping. It has nothing to do with hate.

Watch the name calling. The answer is back test until there is a clean podium. The consequences of back testing are broad and current. Back testing would discourage doping because the tests are always years behind the PED technology.

Anti-doping program was never about actually having natural performances. It's pretty much about an anti-doping magic side show while the actors on the main stage (federation, promoter, Teams) get away with as much as possible. As long as the talent isn't dying, doping is actually okay.

I totally agree, but that will never happen so long as the sport's promoter is the sport's doping watchdog. Filthy sport, structurally.

 

[MarkvW]

Whats funny is you mentioned Basso earlier, a guy who remember only thought about doping - yet he served an almost 2 year suspension.

Why no outrage at that "injustice"?

He did more than "think." He conspired to dope.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He did more than "think." He conspired to dope.

Don't worry, I know - that's why he got a 2 year suspension.

Caught, sanctioned - thats how it should work.

 

[Velodude]

Mark who ?
What about you pointing out where I stated that you did, dude ?
I would say that chance is high that most of the sad highlights in posting history regarding LA were outmoderated in this well moderated place. Wait...perfectly moderated place. ...
<snip - irrelevant>...

You have avoided the question as there is no post I have submitted prior to that post, as I forewarned, where I have made reference to that legacy of LA's cancer treatment.

It was comment about and against MarkvW's caustic criticisms against unnamed posters who made reference to his single testicle. I cannot be included in that group.

LA does not consider any reference to his condition is an insult as he is known in the peloton as "powerball", made light of it in an interview with Playboy in 2005, the "Juan Pelota" twitter nick and naming the café in his Mellow Johnnys bike shop in Austin "Juan Pelota Café".

So LA does not consider it self deprecating.

BTW, there are bad reviews of the "Juan Pelota Café". Poor service and substandard coffee. Must only be patronised by fanboys hoping to get a glimpse.

 

[Race Radio]

It is no secret why the feds have high conviction rates. They only charge really tight cases, they don't charge high volume, and they have resources available to the cases they do charge. If anybody gets charged, these factors will come into play. Until then, they do not indicate a likelihood of indictment. Any indication otherwise is misleading.

Hard to see how Ferrari ends up in a United States court.

Of course Ferrari does not end up in US courts, not sure why you assumed that. Regardless he is in serious trouble. I expect him to be charged after the US fed files it's charges

Do you really think there will not be an indictment? Really?

 

[D-Queued]

Of course Ferrari does not end up in US courts, not sure why you assumed that. Regardless he is in serious trouble. I expect him to be charged after the US fed files it's charges

Do you really think there will not be an indictment? Really?

No.

But, I have been waiting a really long time now.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Here’s a talking point for you. Imagine if Armstrong never existed. Where would cycling be now? Festina scandal boy Zulle would have won the 1999 Tour! Gah! Ullrich would have won 2000 to 2003. Kloden would have won 2004 and Basso 2005! Wonder where cycling would be now? Basso would have got burned in 2006 Ullrich the same and Kloden would have been seen as the clean winner! Floyd still would have won 2006 and then tested positive – well no he wouldn’t because if Lance never existed he wouldn’t have learnt how to dope so Oscar still would have won 2006!

Thanks Hog. It's certainly an excellent hypotheses; what if Lance never existed? Where would cycling be today?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Oh krist he's talking to himself again. To answer your question(s) if not for Lance, cycling would have less money and much less expensive doping programs/doctors involved with it.

 

[MarkvW]

Of course Ferrari does not end up in US courts, not sure why you assumed that. Regardless he is in serious trouble. I expect him to be charged after the US fed files it's charges

Do you really think there will not be an indictment? Really?

I really don't know. I can tell you that I would not bet my own money on it. Too many unknown variables and I'm risk averse. Probably wouldn't bet against it either, though.

I can't say Armstrong will be charged unless I can say what he will be charged with.