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[Ferminal]

CyclingNews is not the only organisation they spoke to….. but Lance hates cyclingnews… why speak to them?

No one else listened?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Still nothing out there except the CN story, that I can find. NY Times, Daily News and Post have nothing yet. A friend of mine says they're likely waiting for a perp walk later today or tomorrow, but I find that difficult to believe.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Still nothing out there except the CN story, that I can find. NY Times, Daily News and Post have nothing yet. A friend of mine says they're likely waiting for a perp walk later today or tomorrow, but I find that difficult to believe.

I would assume that it was CN that contacted Fabiani, not the other way around - as they also had Mark Stichel lined up to put some context on the developments in the case. A slow news day with nothing new.

 

[goober]

Lance is going to have a very nice THANKSgiving.

 

[Boeing]

Still nothing out there except the CN story, that I can find. NY Times, Daily News and Post have nothing yet. A friend of mine says they're likely waiting for a perp walk later today or tomorrow, but I find that difficult to believe.

If they are waiting for a Perp Walk, Timing now with the Penn State thingy is problematic. Unless its LA himself

 

[Race Radio]

No perp walk. I don't see any charges happening this year.

 

[thehog]

If they are waiting for a Perp Walk, Timing now with the Penn State thingy is problematic. Unless its LA himself

Nah..... everyone is screaming for action... they want Pedeo's and PED users locked up...... strike!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Still nothing out there except the CN story, that I can find. NY Times, Daily News and Post have nothing yet. A friend of mine says they're likely waiting for a perp walk later today or tomorrow, but I find that difficult to believe.

If this goes like the BALCO story, mainstream media will not print a "hey, remember us?" story or even explosive bits from a trial or two. Wonderboy is a very minor celebrity to the mainstream media customer. They tend to summarize lots of story progress in a couple of line inches for a minor personality.

Something must have happened inside the Wonderboy team along the lines of "Why are we paying you every month and seeing no press?"

If they don't get any action from the AP, that would be a clue to how far Wonderboy has already fallen. This sets mainstream media up perfectly for damning indictment stories from the grand jury. It's worth repeating, this is just part of the mainstream media build up and subsequent tear down.

 

[Polish]

I'm guessing early January. None of the lawyers on either side would relish this starting during the holiday season.
.

Last year at this very time you were predicting that Target Letters would go out soon after Thanksgiving. Fed's working during the holidays....

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11252

Now this year you feel there is no relish?
Why the change of heart?

Don't get me wrong. I'm no scrooge.
Important to spend quality time during the holiday seasons.

But it would have been nice if the Grand Jury could have been wrapped up in the traditional 18 months.
That clock is just about to tick tock out on that.
Have to file for an expensive extension?

What is the procedure for an extension?

Maybe indictments will be launched right under the wire?
Hail Mary Pass?
Buzzer Beater?
Tape Measure Home run?

 

[Boeing]

Nah..... everyone is screaming for action... they want Pedeo's and PED users locked up...... strike!

If by everyone you mean Race Radio and his clones then you have over estimated their value

 

[Race Radio]

Last year at this very time you were predicting that Target Letters would go out soon after Thanksgiving. Fed's working during the holidays....

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11252

Now this year you feel there is no relish?
Why the change of heart?

Don't get me wrong. I'm no scrooge.
Important to spend quality time during the holiday seasons.

But it would have been nice if the Grand Jury could have been wrapped up in the traditional 18 months.
That clock is just about to tick tock out on that.
Have to file for an expensive extension?

What is the procedure for an extension?

Maybe indictments will be launched right under the wire?
Hail Mary Pass?
Buzzer Beater?
Tape Measure Home run?

Armstrong, and others, have already received their target letters for the Qui Tam case.

Thanks for the link to the old thread. Notice this

This is far from over, it has just begun.

 

[Velodude]

Fabiani needs to get his lies straight.

First he said that George's testimony was a Grand Jury leak, now he admits that George never spoke to the Grand Jury. George volunteered to talk to the Federal investigators, something some of use have been saying for months.

Does not take much searching to discredit Fabiani

“It’s the cycling world and it’s a small world, so when witnesses are going before the grand jury at least in the past we’ve always known about it. In addition journalists from the AP stake out the grand jury room in Los Angeles every Wednesday afternoon so they know who is coming and going and they’ve not reported anybody since last October,” Fabiani said

Popovych was ambushed on a visit to the US and appeared before the Grand Jury on Wednesday, November 3, 2010.

 

[red_flanders]

Yip - its quite a change from this quote to ESPN right after the CBS piece:

"In its unpardonable zeal to smear Lance Armstrong, CBS has also attacked the reputation of George Hincapie," Armstrong spokesman Mark Fabiani said in a statement Sunday. "We are confident that the statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate and that the reports of his testimony are unreliable."

Quite honestly, I don't see anything in that quote or the story that does anything but add credence to Fabiani's message that the "reports of his testimony are unreliable".

Seems the reports that have him testifying to a Grand Jury may well have been unreliable. Either way, I don't see Fabiani ever confirming that GH testified before the GJ, at least not in the quoted story.

RR generally knows what he's on about though, so I don't doubt that Fabiani said this, but can someone link to a story where he actively responds in some way confirming that GH did testify before a GJ? Thanks.

 

[Polish]

Armstrong, and others, have already received their target letters for the Qui Tam case.

Thanks for the link to the old thread. Notice this

Yes, you have been saying for a long time that this is "far from over".
You have been saying it for years now.
Far from over.

Big Deal. I have been saying "waste of taxpayer money" for a long time too.
Waste of Taxpayer Money. True today as it was a long time ago.

But what is the point of quoting yourself?
A bit pathetic don't you think?
Patting yourself on the back for an obvious statement.

Although patting yourself on the back is a great stretching exercise while riding. Especially on long rides. Great for the neck and shoulders. Try it

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Quite honestly, I don't see anything in that quote or the story that does anything but add credence to Fabiani's message that the "reports of his testimony are unreliable".

C'mon- this is what he said at the time:
"We are confident that the statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate and that the reports of his testimony are unreliable."

Now Fabiani is saying 'oh ya - GH did talk to the Feds, just not to a Grand Jury, even though we don't really know who has been in front of the Grand Jury, we think its 10 or maybe more, or maybe less.
Also, no-one has spoken since last October, even though we are not really sure who has are has not been called because the bloody court sealed the documents when we tried to find out who has been called.
did I mention that its all a waste of taxpayers money."

Seems the reports that have him testifying to a Grand Jury may well have been unreliable. Either way, I don't see Fabiani ever confirming that GH testified before the GJ, at least not in the quoted story.

RR generally knows what he's on about though, so I don't doubt that Fabiani said this, but can someone link to a story where he actively responds in some way confirming that GH did testify before a GJ? Thanks.

When you say "he" - whom do you mean?
If you mane GH, then GH certainly has not confirmed it (or denied it).

 

[red_flanders]

C'mon- this is what he said at the time:
"We are confident that the statements attributed to Hincapie are inaccurate and that the reports of his testimony are unreliable."

Now Fabiani is saying 'oh ya - GH did talk to the Feds, just not to a Grand Jury, even though we don't really know who has been in front of the Grand Jury, we think its 10 or maybe more, or maybe less.
Also, no-one has spoken since last October, even though we are not really sure who has are has not been called because the bloody court sealed the documents when we tried to find out who has been called.
did I mention that its all a waste of taxpayers money."

When you say "he" - whom do you mean?
If you mane GH, then GH certainly has not confirmed it (or denied it).

I mean Fabiani. Look, it's not like I believe there is anything but spin in what Fabiani says about anything, I just wonder now if George actually did talk to the GJ. I still see nothing in what you've quoted in which Fabiani confirms GH talked to the GJ. In fact he seems to pointedly call it BS.

Two points/questions for me in this thread. One, did GH actually talk to the grand jury or not? Seems we don't know for sure. Two, I have yet to see evidence that on this one point, Fabiani is backtracking as some have stated.

Not that any of it is going to make any difference in the end.

 

[Race Radio]

Quite honestly, I don't see anything in that quote or the story that does anything but add credence to Fabiani's message that the "reports of his testimony are unreliable".

Seems the reports that have him testifying to a Grand Jury may well have been unreliable. Either way, I don't see Fabiani ever confirming that GH testified before the GJ, at least not in the quoted story.

RR generally knows what he's on about though, so I don't doubt that Fabiani said this, but can someone link to a story where he actively responds in some way confirming that GH did testify before a GJ? Thanks.

Armstrong's legal team made a filing in July claiming leaks of confidential testimony. At this point in the investigation the only testimony that is confidential is the testimony that was done in front of the Grand Jury. In their complaints, and statements to the media, they consistently complained about GJ leaks. In fact the title of their motion to dismiss is "Grand Jury Leaks"

In their motion Armstrong's legal team claimed that 60 Minutes had said that George Hincapie had "recently appeared in front of the Grand Jury and testified" .....60 Minutes never claimed this and it never happened.

The motion was 100% deflection and misinformation. Every claim is easy to refute. Armstrong's legal is either doing this intentionally or they have little understanding of the legal system and what is happening with the case.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I mean Fabiani. Look, it's not like I believe there is anything but spin in what Fabiani says about anything, I just wonder now if George actually did talk to the GJ. I still see nothing in what you've quoted in which Fabiani confirms GH talked to the GJ. In fact he seems to pointedly call it BS.

Two points/questions for me in this thread. One, did GH actually talk to the grand jury or not? Seems we don't know for sure. Two, I have yet to see evidence that on this one point, Fabiani is backtracking as some have stated.

Not that any of it is going to make any difference in the end.

Fabiani - no, he never said that GH was before a GJ - but no-one has said that is what Fabiani has said.

I am on about his reversal in what George said.
It doesn't matter who GH talked to (not that I believe Fabiani) - once he has talked to a Federal representative he is obliged to be truthful in his statements.

 

[red_flanders]

Armstrong's legal team made a filing in July claiming leaks of confidential testimony. At this point in the investigation the only testimony that is confidential is the testimony that was done in front of the Grand Jury. In their complaints, and statements to the media, they consistently complained about GJ leaks. In fact the title of their motion to dismiss is "Grand Jury Leaks"

In their motion Armstrong's legal team claimed that 60 Minutes had said that George Hincapie had "recently appeared in front of the Grand Jury and testified" .....60 Minutes never claimed this and it never happened.

The motion was 100% deflection and misinformation. Every claim is easy to refute. Armstrong's legal is either doing this intentionally or they have little understanding of the legal system and what is happening with the case.

Just rewatched the interview, and they only refer to GH talking to the federal investigation, no the grand jury. So sounds like he never did.

I had assumed from the report, the way the report was scripted, first talking grand jury then referring to it as the federal investigation, that GH had talked to the grand jury. I can see where others would do the same.

 

[Benotti69]

Does not take much searching to discredit Fabiani


Popovych was ambushed on a visit to the US and appeared before the Grand Jury on Wednesday, November 3, 2010.

never let facts get in the way ....

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, you have been saying for a long time that this is "far from over".
You have been saying it for years now.
Far from over.

Big Deal. I have been saying "waste of taxpayer money" for a long time too.
Waste of Taxpayer Money. True today as it was a long time ago.

But what is the point of quoting yourself?
A bit pathetic don't you think?
Patting yourself on the back for an obvious statement.

Although patting yourself on the back is a great stretching exercise while riding. Especially on long rides. Great for the neck and shoulders. Try it

Impossible. This has only been going on a year and a half. Until it finishes two, you cannot make that statement as the requisite time will not have passed until that point. Facts, use them. Grrrr. Laser like focus! lol.

 

[Kretch]

Armstrong's legal team made a filing in July claiming leaks of confidential testimony. At this point in the investigation the only testimony that is confidential is the testimony that was done in front of the Grand Jury. In their complaints, and statements to the media, they consistently complained about GJ leaks. In fact the title of their motion to dismiss is "Grand Jury Leaks"

In their motion Armstrong's legal team claimed that 60 Minutes had said that George Hincapie had "recently appeared in front of the Grand Jury and testified" .....60 Minutes never claimed this and it never happened.

The motion was 100% deflection and misinformation. Every claim is easy to refute. Armstrong's legal is either doing this intentionally or they have little understanding of the legal system and what is happening with the case.

RR, to the bold, given the calibre of his team it must be the former. He sure has some talent in his corner - reminiscent of his TdF teams.

 

[Polish]

RR, to the bold, given the calibre of his team it must be the former. He sure has some talent in his corner - reminiscent of his TdF teams.

Keker/Peters/Luskin/Daly/Fabiani
That is like having Merckx/Hinault/Kelly/Coppi/Cipo on your cycling team..
MUCH more awesome than any of Lance's TdF Teams.
Its unfair really.

But they will be no match for RR and TFF.
TFF even has a minor in the Maths I think.

 

[Velodude]

Keker/Peters/Luskin/Daly/Fabiani
That is like having Merckx/Hinault/Kelly/Coppi/Cipo on your cycling team..
MUCH more awesome than any of Lance's TdF Teams.
Its unfair really.

But they will be no match for RR and TFF.
TFF even has a minor in the Maths I think.

So why during this "defense" legal inactivity are they resorting to spin?

Should not they be quiet with smug satisfaction that on the (lack of) evidence LA will not be indicted?

 

[thehog]

The veteran said that he would work with the ongoing federal inquiry into doping by the Postal team of the late 1990’s and early 2000’s. “I will cooperate with whatever it’s necessary for me to do, but I don’t think it’s fair to comment on that right now,” said Hincapie.


When asked whether he had provided grand jury testimony in the case, Hincapie again would not comment and chastised the efforts to bring the sport to its knees. “Like I said, I just don’t want to comment on that,” he said. “I prefer to focus on the future of the sport and everything the sport does to make a clean sport. Like I said, this stuff about dragging the sport down, I have no patience for it, nor do I want to spend time talking about it.”

The former Gent-Wevelgem and Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne winner did show his frustration at cycling’s place in the limelight for doping offenses, even as the sport has made efforts to rid itself of drugs in the last few years.

“It’s absolutely frustrating to see how other sports just slide by and positive tests don’t mean anything. It’s just a little blurb in the newspaper, where in cycling when something comes out, it’s always huge news,” he said. “I think cycling’s one of the hardest sports in the world and I think that most of the cyclists nowadays are doing what they can to make a good example to be a clean sport.”

“I think people can really use cycling as an example for clean sport,” said Hincapie, who rode for two years with Bob Stapleton’s High Road program, which has positioned itself as a leader in the fight against doping in cycling. “There is nobody in the world right now that wants cycling to be clean more than me. I’m out there everyday putting my heart and soul into it and I know a lot of riders that are doing the same thing.”


http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/08/news/hincapie-makes-bmc-plans-for-2011_135856