Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Mambo95]

Dan was talking to him at a doping in sport conference. Tell us, what other high level investigations are currently underway?

I don't know. He could have been talking about the biological passport for all I know. He could have been talking about doping generally. As Benson twitted the quote you would have thought he would have included some of that stuff in his article. Tomorrow maybe.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking for some context, real not perceived, as no-one's mentioned Armstrong for a long while and I was interested.

It was just a request which you could easily have answered, but seemingly because I'm not rabidly anti-Armstrong you get all arsey.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, it hasn't. No-one has either said what he is referring to or provided any context.

None of you actually know, because you've just seen the bare quote as well. You think you know what he's referring to, which may just be what you want it to refer to. Just blatently state your answer and back it up and I'll be satisfied, rather than skirting around the issue.

Howman didn't mention Armstrong at all in the interview as published by Benson. Had he done so and that quote actually does refer to LA then I would suggest that the case is moving ahead well and my suspicions are wrong. That's why I'm interested.

I haven't skirted around it - I have told you its Armstrong, you choose to abandon logic and common sense and ignore it.

Context:
WADA Chief Howman is being interviewed by Cyclingnews editor.
The Cyclingnews editor tweets a quote from Howman to his followers.

The Quote:
"The investigators need to make sure they have their ducks in a row and then pull the trigger."

The key word is "investigators" - your earlier hope, I mean choice, was Contador - he is not being investigated.
The other key parts suggest this investigation is ongoing and will move forward when completely ready.


*No ducks were harmed in the making of this post.

 

[Race Radio]

'Quietly' would mean not telling them, just stopping working the case and doing something else. None of us really have any idea what's going on.

It's just nothing seems to have happened for a long while. They had Bonds testifying in three months.

You appear to be confused.

Bonds testified as a witness. He was told that he would not be a target unless he lied or impeded the investigation....he did both. He was indicted 4 years later and convicted 8 years later

Armstrong is a target, not a witness.

 

[Race Radio]

I don't know. He could have been talking about the biological passport for all I know. He could have been talking about doping generally. As Benson twitted the quote you would have thought he would have included some of that stuff in his article. Tomorrow maybe.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking for some context, real not perceived, as no-one's mentioned Armstrong for a long while and I was interested.

It was just a request which you could easily have answered, but seemingly because I'm not rabidly anti-Armstrong you get all arsey.

I have answered it multiple times....which you choose to ignore.

There are investigators for the Bio-Passport? Really? What are their names?

 

[Mambo95]

The key word is "investigators" - your earlier hope, I mean choice, was Contador - he is not being investigated.

It was neither a hope (I'm less sure of his guilt than Armstrong's) or a choice. It was the only case specifically mention in Benson's reporting of the interview.

 

[Race Radio]

It was neither a hope (I'm less sure of his guilt than Armstrong's) or a choice. It was the only case specifically mention in Benson's reporting of the interview.

You do realize that Contador's case is already done don't you? Any investigation happened months ago.

There is no waiting, no ducks that need to still be lined up, nothing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It was neither a hope (I'm less sure of his guilt than Armstrong's) or a choice. It was the only case specifically mention in Benson's reporting of the interview.

Can you show 'specifically' where in that interview mentioned anything about "investigators" or investigations - no?
Oh then, the quote must have to do with something not mentioned in the article.

 

[Benotti69]

I haven't skirted around it - I have told you its Armstrong, you choose to abandon logic and common sense and ignore it.

Context:
WADA Chief Howman is being interviewed by Cyclingnews editor.
The Cyclingnews editor tweets a quote from Howman to his followers.

The Quote:
"The investigators need to make sure they have their ducks in a row and then pull the trigger."

The key word is "investigators" - your earlier hope, I mean choice, was Contador - he is not being investigated.
The other key parts suggest this investigation is ongoing and will move forward when completely ready.


*No ducks were harmed in the making of this post.

But many fanboys of the ducks have taken umbridge with the content.

 

[Mambo95]

You do realize that Contador's case is already done don't you? Any investigation happened months ago.

There is no waiting, no ducks that need to still be lined up, nothing.

Yes, I do know. Here's a possible quote:

"Cases like Contador's are always difficult, as they are not obviously clear cut. The defendant will present seeming convincing circumstances so it is important for us to be on top of the evidence. The investigators need to get the ducks in a row and pull the trigger. That's how we win cases."

Now, it's highly unlikely that that is what was said, but I like to consider possibilities rather than adhere to absolutes.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes, I do know. Here's a possible quote:

"Cases like Contador's are always difficult, as they are not obviously clear cut. The defendant will present seeming convincing circumstances so it is important for us to be on top of the evidence. The investigators need to get the ducks in a row and pull the trigger. That's how we win cases."

Now, it's highly unlikely that that is what was said, but I like to consider possibilities rather than adhere to absolutes.

You should have included something about space aliens......

 

[Mambo95]

Can you show 'specifically' where in that interview mentioned anything about "investigators" or investigations - no?

No, I can't. I'm not claiming it does.

Oh then, the quote must have to do with something not mentioned in the article.

And it's that bit I'm interested in. If Howman is talking about Armstrong, then I'd like to read what he has to say (and I'm surprised it got omitted, maybe tomorrow). That's all I've been asking right from the beginning.

A solitary quote on twitter is meaningless.

 

[Polish]

Yes, I do know. Here's a possible quote:

"Cases like Contador's are always difficult, as they are not obviously clear cut. The defendant will present seeming convincing circumstances so it is important for us to be on top of the evidence. The investigators need to get the ducks in a row and pull the trigger. That's how we win cases."

Now, it's highly unlikely that that is what was said, but I like to consider possibilities rather than adhere to absolutes.

Yes, the "WADA Ducks" mentioned in Bonnie Ford's ESPN piece clearly refer to the Contador case.

And the "WADA Ducks" mentioned in Mr Benson's tweet are clearly Lance related.

Different ducks it appears.
Quack.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, I can't. I'm not claiming it does.



And it's that bit I'm interested in. If Howman is talking about Armstrong, then I'd like to read what he has to say (and I'm surprised it got omitted, maybe tomorrow). That's all I've been asking right from the beginning.

A solitary quote on twitter is meaningless.

Who do you think Howman is talking about that the editor of Cyclingnews would feel the need to share?

If you are unable to form an opinion beyond the quote then you should just accept that they were discussing an investigation in to ducks.

 

[Polish]

Who do you think Howman is talking about that the editor of Cyclingnews would feel the need to share?
.

Has to be Lance.
Mr Benson's titilating tweet HAS to refer to Lance.
It BETTER refer to Lance.
If it doesn't, it would be trollish I would think.
So its Lance right?

And Howman knows what he is talking about right?
Of course he does. Cleverer. Not Dopey.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes, the "WADA Ducks" mentioned in Bonnie Ford's ESPN piece clearly refer to the Contador case.

And the "WADA Ducks" mentioned in Mr Benson's tweet are clearly Lance related.

Different ducks it appears.
Quack.

Same Scenario
Different Ducks

SSDD

 

[Polish]

Same Scenario
Different Ducks

SSDD

I wonder if Bonnie Ford at ESPN is mad that Howman told her about the Alberto Ducks but not the Lance Ducks.

Gave the Lance Duck scoop to CN.

Or maybe Howman told Bonnie about the Lance Ducks, but Bonnie was careful not to mention it because of "The Motion" against leaks.

 

[Cimacoppi48]

If it walks like a duck, makes noises like a duck and looks like a duck...........it's Lance, Alberto, Thom, Bill, Ferrari and many more little duckies sitting all in a row.

 

[JRTinMA]

If it walks like a duck, makes noises like a duck and looks like a duck...........it's Lance, Alberto, Thom, Bill, Ferrari and many more little duckies sitting all in a row.

Leave Alberto alone. He's just a simple and humble bike racer who happens to be a really nice guy. Other than Tyler, nice guys do not dope.

 

[fatandfast]

So where is this article?

I'm interested because it would be the first time anyone in authority has mentioned the Armstrong case for months and months. It would confirm that the case hasn't been quietly dropped (which is my suspicion).

your opinion introduces a level of reason that many cannot accept. The case can be dropped not because Armstrong is innocent of everything accused but because the things they have mounds of evidence on are trivial.
Yes Lance did things wrong,along with decades of other pro bike racers, but is there anything that would make the US government spend 10s of millions on convicting him and only him of an offense.
Novitzky is probably drowning in data that shows that endurance athletes all over have done some crazy sh-t to win races. He is probably finding that athletes all over are way dirtier than Armstrong and that his case is not anywhere near the worst but is the most salacious.

Who did Landis, Andreu and Hamilton buy their drugs from? There is a reason for the lack of interest, and it is certainly not that the dope they used couldn't hurt the young and unknowing. The offenses they committed were completed between the lowest tiers of society. Armstrong has upped the interest and the notoriety of drugs on bikes, without him nobody in the US gives a f-ck about Landis, Hamilton or bike racing in general. Armstrong's connection to everything off the bike has money being spent on a story.

Lance's drug use would have been ignored like the 100's of bike racers before him but he went and got famous. Greg tried that I have been shot and I can't get up thing, but nothing gets the worlds attention like cutting off a ball. Good try Greg

 

[thehog]

Well that closes the case for me. Excellent reasoning. Well done.

If only I knew Greg got himself shot over Lance getting cancer by first traveling ahead in time to find that Lance gets cancer then traveling back & having his brother in law shoot him.

This is the sort of cricitical reasoning that's been lacking so far in this discussion.

You've turned me - I now say waste of taxpayers money.

your opinion introduces a level of reason that many cannot accept. The case can be dropped not because Armstrong is innocent of everything accused but because the things they have mounds of evidence on are trivial.
Yes Lance did things wrong,along with decades of other pro bike racers, but is there anything that would make the US government spend 10s of millions on convicting him and only him of an offense.
Novitzky is probably drowning in data that shows that endurance athletes all over have done some crazy sh-t to win races. He is probably finding that athletes all over are way dirtier than Armstrong and that his case is not anywhere near the worst but is the most salacious.

Who did Landis, Andreu and Hamilton buy their drugs from? There is a reason for the lack of interest, and it is certainly not that the dope they used couldn't hurt the young and unknowing. The offenses they committed were completed between the lowest tiers of society. Armstrong has upped the interest and the notoriety of drugs on bikes, without him nobody in the US gives a f-ck about Landis, Hamilton or bike racing in general. Armstrong's connection to everything off the bike has money being spent on a story.

Lance's drug use would have been ignored like the 100's of bike racers before him but he went and got famous. Greg tried that I have been shot and I can't get up thing, but nothing gets the worlds attention like cutting off a ball. Good try Greg

 

[Polish]

You've turned me - I now say waste of taxpayers money.

But not JUST a waste of taxpayer money remember.

It is ALSO a WitchHunt.
A Waste AND a WitchHunt.

Plus a SmearJob.

BTW, did you notice that Lance was recently voted the "Top Athlete Philanthropist". Beating out Magic,Ripken,Ali,Jeter,Agassi,Mia,Tiger,Gordan and Flutie.

And out of thousands of charities, Livestrong made the top three "most searched list" along with the Red Cross and the YMCA.

Masterful PR. 2011 was a great year.
When the indictments come, should be an awesome battle.

 

[thehog]

It is ALSO a WitchHunt.
A Waste AND a witchhunt
When the indictments come, should be an awesome battle.

It's a waste of a witch hunt.

I hear the indictments will come on Tuesday.

 

[Ferminal]

But not JUST a waste of taxpayer money remember.

It is ALSO a WitchHunt.
A Waste AND a WitchHunt.

Plus a SmearJob.

BTW, did you notice that Lance was recently voted the "Top Athlete Philanthropist". Beating out Magic,Ripken,Ali,Jeter,Agassi,Mia,Tiger,Gordan and Flutie.

And out of thousands of charities, Livestrong made the top three "most searched list" along with the Red Cross and the YMCA.

Masterful PR. 2011 was a great year.
When the indictments come, should be an awesome battle.

Shouldn't philanthropy actually involve a net transfer of wealth from the individual to the charity?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

It's a waste of a witch hunt.

I hear the indictments will come on Tuesday.

TUESDAY again..aha who knows a cool song?

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

your opinion introduces a level of reason that many cannot accept. The case can be dropped not because Armstrong is innocent of everything accused but because the things they have mounds of evidence on are trivial.
Yes Lance did things wrong,along with decades of other pro bike racers, but is there anything that would make the US government spend 10s of millions on convicting him and only him of an offense.

Recovery of a bunch of unpaid taxes?